Theron
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I was hoping to sway?!?
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Having played Ice, Shield, Stone, Inv, and WP to 50 (and Dark to 30), I'll cast a vote for Stone. You get DEF/RES to all but Psi, DDR, and a self heal. If you drop out of granite, you can get DEF to all but fire and ice. You are also not dependant on having mobs around for healing or buffs.
Movement restrictions can be overcome by teleport (if desired, I skipped it) IOs for run speed, and being aware of your surrondings and using taunt to bring the bad guys to you. -
Quote:I've tanked a fully buffed LR unassisted on my stone as well, but I need 2 small blues to floor his accuracy until the blue tower is down (and then I don't need any inspirations at all). I'm curious to see your build; do you mind posting it?Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome
I have tanked LR without insps on my Stone/Fire tanker unassisted while the rest of the team killed the towers. Yes, I used Earth's Embrace and I have a pretty good build but stone is still the toughest tanker out there. Yes, a kin is always nice to have on any character but I by no means require one on a stone tank. Granite + Rooted on a well built stoner can manage LR on SO enhancements... I did it many times right after issue 9 hit and I had a SO/HO build at that time... it sure as heck can do it with an IO build. -
Quote:Agreed. Any set can tank any content in the game, either through SOs, IOs, insp, player skill, or any combination thereof.Originally Posted by _Deth_
Then again, I am still of the opinion that all sets are equally survivable if you actually learn how to use the utility built into them, especially if you pair them with the right secondary.
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Quote:The missiles from the Kronus Titan will also knock you back while in Granite. I think one of Scirocco's attacks from the STF can as well.Originally Posted by Katie V
What were you fighting that was knocking you down? The only thing I've found that can do that is the Crystal Titan, and Rooted doesn't help there.
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Quote:Yes, please. :-)Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
Can you re-export your third build with both the data chunk and data link? It makes it easer to see what your totals are etc.
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Quote:No problem. Let me know what you come up with; I know have a free respec to use. :-)Originally Posted by Feizel
Theron, great looking build, thanks for the reply. It's very similiar to my current build with a bit more purple.
One thing your build is reminding me is I might need to work more regen into my build.
I did sacrifice quite a bit of it for the positional defense and psi def/resistance.
Still looking for more advise/answers before I make a second draft, hopefully I'll have time to search for more knowledge this weekend. -
My current stone/stone build. Went for maneuvers instead of stealth since its a constant and team buff. Haven't done the LRSF, but if I get around to buying GR I'd like to.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.803
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Rogue Colossus: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Stone Armor
Secondary Power Set: Stone Melee
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Stone Skin- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
- (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
- (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
- (19) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (29) Kinetic Combat - Knockdown Bonus
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Recharge
- (5) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
- (5) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
- (15) Doctored Wounds - Heal
- (19) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (7) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
- (7) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
- (25) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (31) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (34) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
- (9) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
- (9) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
- (25) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
- (37) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (40) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
- (11) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
- (11) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
- (17) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (27) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
- (42) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (A) Mocking Beratement - Taunt
- (13) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge
- (13) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge/Range
- (15) Mocking Beratement - Recharge
- (27) Mocking Beratement - Accuracy/Recharge
- (43) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Range
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (17) Run Speed IO
- (31) Run Speed IO
- (A) Regenerative Tissue - Heal/Endurance
- (31) Regenerative Tissue - Endurance/Recharge
- (43) Regenerative Tissue - Heal/Recharge
- (48) Regenerative Tissue - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (48) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration
- (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (21) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (21) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (46) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (A) Empty
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (43) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (46) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (33) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (33) Aegis - Resistance
- (34) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
- (34) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (A) Armageddon - Damage
- (36) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
- (36) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (36) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
- (37) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
- (37) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
- (A) Hecatomb - Damage
- (39) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
- (39) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (39) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
- (40) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
- (40) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Apocalypse - Damage
- (42) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
- (42) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (45) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
- (45) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
- (45) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Miracle - Heal
- (50) Miracle - Heal/Endurance
- (50) Miracle - +Recovery
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (50) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
Level 1: Brawl- (A) Empty
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Level 6: Ninja Run -
Quote:This.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
As I've said. Just about any set can be made to perform excellently when built properly. Dark Armor is no exception. As to "more than any other set", I'm not going to start into hyperbole.
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One of the main problems with the aggro cap is once you reach it taunt, a power specifically designed to pull enemies off teammates, becomes worthless.
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I remember the game with no AOE and aggro limits. I disagree with both. What difference does it make if a tank can herd the entire map and a blaster can kill them all? People will power level their toons?!? Has that been eliminated?
As has always been the case, whenever new restrictions are put into place people will either game the system to find a way around it, discover new ways to play how they want, or leave. -
In my opinion, if you take taunt and get plenty of runspeed IO bonuses, the requirement of teleport is lessened somewhat. I would go with typed defense bonuses, since granite gives you a chunk of those.
Here is my current stone/stone build.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.707
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Rogue Colossus: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Stone Armor
Secondary Power Set: Stone Melee
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Stone Skin- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
- (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
- (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
- (19) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (29) Kinetic Combat - Knockdown Bonus
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Recharge
- (5) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
- (5) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
- (15) Doctored Wounds - Heal
- (19) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (7) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
- (7) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
- (25) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (31) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (34) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
- (9) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
- (9) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
- (25) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
- (37) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (40) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
- (11) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
- (11) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
- (17) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (27) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
- (42) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (A) Mocking Beratement - Taunt
- (13) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge
- (13) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge/Range
- (15) Mocking Beratement - Recharge
- (27) Mocking Beratement - Accuracy/Recharge
- (43) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Range
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (17) Run Speed IO
- (31) Run Speed IO
- (A) Regenerative Tissue - Heal/Endurance
- (31) Regenerative Tissue - Endurance/Recharge
- (43) Regenerative Tissue - Heal/Recharge
- (48) Regenerative Tissue - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (48) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration
- (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (21) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (21) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (46) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (A) Empty
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (43) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (46) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (33) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (33) Aegis - Resistance
- (34) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
- (34) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (A) Armageddon - Damage
- (36) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
- (36) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (36) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
- (37) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
- (37) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
- (A) Hecatomb - Damage
- (39) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
- (39) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (39) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
- (40) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
- (40) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Apocalypse - Damage
- (42) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
- (42) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (45) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
- (45) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
- (45) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Miracle - Heal
- (50) Miracle - Heal/Endurance
- (50) Miracle - +Recovery
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (50) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
Level 1: Brawl- (A) Empty
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Level 6: Ninja Run -
Quote:Very true. In the age of IOs, the speed penalties associated with granite are overrated.Originally Posted by Katie V
You probably haven't encountered my stone tank, or several of the others I've teamed with. A well-built stoner can easily keep up with the rest of the team in missions (so long as the map doesn't require too much jumping), and you don't usually need your armor in between.
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Here is my current (hopefully final) build. I run granite exclusively, unless enemies are all Psi. I'm a lazy traveler, so I went with fly.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.707
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Rogue Colossus: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Stone Armor
Secondary Power Set: Stone Melee
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Stone Skin- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
- (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
- (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
- (19) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (29) Kinetic Combat - Knockdown Bonus
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Recharge
- (5) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
- (5) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
- (15) Doctored Wounds - Heal
- (19) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (7) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
- (7) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
- (25) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (31) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (34) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
- (9) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
- (9) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
- (25) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
- (37) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (40) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
- (11) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
- (11) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
- (17) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (27) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
- (42) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (A) Mocking Beratement - Taunt
- (13) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge
- (13) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge/Range
- (15) Mocking Beratement - Recharge
- (27) Mocking Beratement - Accuracy/Recharge
- (43) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Range
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (17) Run Speed IO
- (31) Run Speed IO
- (A) Regenerative Tissue - Heal/Endurance
- (31) Regenerative Tissue - Endurance/Recharge
- (43) Regenerative Tissue - Heal/Recharge
- (48) Regenerative Tissue - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (48) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration
- (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (21) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (21) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (46) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (A) Empty
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (43) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (46) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (33) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (33) Aegis - Resistance
- (34) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
- (34) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (A) Armageddon - Damage
- (36) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
- (36) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (36) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
- (37) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
- (37) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
- (A) Hecatomb - Damage
- (39) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
- (39) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (39) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
- (40) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
- (40) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Apocalypse - Damage
- (42) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
- (42) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (45) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
- (45) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
- (45) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Miracle - Heal
- (50) Miracle - Heal/Endurance
- (50) Miracle - +Recovery
- (A) Gift of the Ancients - Run Speed +7.5%
- (50) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
Level 1: Brawl- (A) Empty
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Can you post your current build? I have a stone/stone now which is all I play.
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Quote:Agreed. And with the AOE, taunt, and aggro limits, there is only so much a tanker can hold before the mobs start looking for something else to beat on.Originally Posted by New Dawn
I been saying this for years.
However you can't play other peoples characters, what other people do may require you to go beyond aggro cap to help them; or it requires you to physically play their characters so that their character attacks at the right moment for once; or make sure a safe distance is kept as the safest place is not behind the tank, literally behind the tank practically up his butt sharing all the aoe like some people have thought in my experience. As hard as you can try to turn the cones away they keep jumping behind you.
Truth is being the last man standing is nothing to brag about. Either the team didn't respect the enemy and game mechanics enough or the tanker might of been fixated on some minion whilst the team were taking the brunt. -
The other interesting thing was the person had obviously spent billions on this build so even if you were to get ahold of it, its doubtful most people would have the resources or inclination to duplicate it.
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Quote:Part of the secrecy may be the fact that before ED, IOs, and set bonuses, builds used to be simpler.Originally Posted by Smurphy
I can respect not wanting to share one's build. However, the concept of "I'm not telling anyone so no one will figure it out" is quite ludicrous and amusing. There are no "secret builds". There may be billions of possible build combinations mathematically but there are very few options realistically once the general direction of the build is understood. "Secret Builds" simply don't exist.
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Quote:Yeah it feels like you are giving up the recipe to Coke. But, as others have pointed out, its easy to replicate a build with the power listing, set bonoses displayed, and Mids (if you have the time and patience!).Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I was hesitant to, but I eventually posted the build for the tank from my video.
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I had a discussion recently with a player about builds. The person has not and would not (ever) give out their build, which got me thinking: are builds meant to be a closely guarded secret?
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From a stone perspective, we can use all the recharge we can get so I have added purps to some attacks to offset the penalties of granite.
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Arc Name: The Construct
Arc ID: 91887
Length: Medium
Morality: Heroic
We just got word of a break-in at a warehouse and all our other black and whites are tied up. Can you handle this one for us? Shouldn't be a big deal for you. (This arc is recommended for a team of experienced characters)
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I'd like to add 91887 and 50715 to this list.
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Allow bases to be public by selection of an option in the SG interface, so that those of us that wish to showcase our designs can do so.
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There is already an option to do this (sort of), with the leader teammate permission. Unfortunately, this feature has been broken for months.
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Personal items that are truly personalized, in a way that identifies to whom it belongs as well as tying into the character in a personal way.
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I would add make them free or very inexpensive.
Please fix base raids as well; my SG has all but stopped doing them as we either get lots of DCes (sound loops) or power lag. -
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Cryptic has failed to deliver an advertised feature of CoV in a working format a full callendar year after the game went live. Had the Cathedral of Pain and Base Raids showed up in anything vaguely resembling a timely manner, there would probably be a much higher level of interest in Bases, despite the flaws in the system that many posters have listed here. For whatever reason, whether it be lack of staff resources, focus shifting to other priorities or indeed other projects at Cryptic, this is a pretty big failure on Cryptic's part.
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You are absolutely right. We are working as hard as we can, but that doesnt excuse it.
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Thank you. Admitting there is a problem and that you are working on fixes helps stem player frustration. But I personally would not like to see any more aesthetic options added to bases until some fixes have dropped.