Test_Rat

Originally Posted by Siolfir

True - like I said in the post, it'd probably end up just being a random crit after someone has too many attacks queued and realizes after the fact that they messed up. It has frustration potential, which is generally considered a bad thing. But it does have the benefit of rewarding better play (or at least, rewarding not random attack-button-mashing, which is the standard approach for most ATs).

And I'm not really pushing for that over anything else at the moment as much as trying to come up with a proposal that would fit a slightly different playstyle that revolves more around the "Hide gimmick", to show an alternative for someone like Samuel_Tow who would be adverse to a higher damage modifier which could create a more Scrapper-like feel. I think a simpler solution would work for the majority of Stalker players, which is why I asked what people thought about it.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

I disagree with this completely, and if that's what Stalkers end up, I can safely say I would never make another one. And that's not a "threat." This is simply not the AT I want to play, nor indeed the AT I signed up for when I made my Stalkers. I picked Stalkers because they're damage dealers, and whether they're better than Scrappers or not, that's what their primary focus is, and in my opinion should be.

In my opinion, Stalkers should rely less on "support" and more on being melee damage dealers. If that takes a better damage mod, I can live with it. If that takes better stealthing tools, all the better. But I don't want to see Stalkers hang back and debuff like they're a melee Defender. There's a reason I've never supported the Melee/Support AT ideas - because I despise the concept in general.

What I want to see out of Stalkers is what you saw John Rambo do in Rambo 2, where he takes out an entire platoon of soldiers by himself. What I want to see out of Stalkers is what the Shadow does to goons routinely.

In essence, I don't want a Stalker that's always hiding. I want a Stalker that's constantly attacking out of hiding.

Originally Posted by EvilGeko

I'm going to go in a different direction with what I would do:

• Lower the activation time of Assassin's Strike to 1 second;
  
• For all Stalker ST abilities add a 20% chance to proc the hidden state for 3 seconds;
  
• Hide and Assassin's strike become free inherent powers of the AT;
  
• Broadsword gets Whirling Sword back; Claws gets Spin back; Dark Melee gets Dark Consumption; Dual blades gets Typhoon; Electric gets Hand Clap (lol); Energy Melee gets Whirling Hands; Martial Arts gets Dragon Tail; Ninja Blade gets the Lotus Drops; Spines gets Quills; Kinetic Melee gets Repulsing Torrent (rofl)
  
• Dark Armor gets Death Shroud; Electric Armor gets Lightning Field; Energy Aura gets Dampening Field; Regeneration and Willpower get QUICK RECOVERY!; Super Reflexes gets Lucky;
  
• Ninjitsu gets Illusory Ninjas (Three indestructable ninja illusions pop out and start attacking mobs, the illusions do no damage, but they do taunt on each attack)

Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim

To you, clearly. It's hilarious how you repeat posting this no matter how much people quibble the point. Go ahead and have fun playing Scrappers and Brutes (because that's fine, we should all play what we want), but don't put your head in the sand and pretend that Stalkers aren't worth playing or inviting. Then you're moving beyond your own preferences and demanding other people follow those preferences.

No thanks on that.

Originally Posted by Leo_G

*discards the rest because it's just insulting drivel*

Who honestly believes that? Especially when considering some steamroller teams where a mob is dropped in seconds. How important is sustained DPS vs burst when you've got a blaster hopped up on buffs flying at your heels or a SD Brute ready to drop SC at the drop of a hat?

If you're only counting 'burst damage' as AS and discarding the whole 'giving yourself 100%ST/50%AOE crits on command that you can combine with BU at will' part, then maybe. But Stalkers get AoEs. Stalkers can crit a lot of enemies with those AoEs and they can make sure those crits are backed by BU. That's something scrappers can't do and they have better burst damage than brutes.

You're lobbying for changes across the entire AT while discarding attributes the devs obviously considered advantages of the AT...when your real issue isn't even the AT but individual aspects of powersets. Taking a note from Angry_Citizen when he was here (one of the main guys that spoke out for the buffs Stalkers have now), the problem you want fixed is some kind of inferiority issue with the inherent concept of the AT compared to others yet you want to solve it with minor changes that will do little to nothing to solve anything...it'll just make you feel better. It's asking for change just because.

And no, Stalkers shouldn't be the 'kings of melee damage'. Merely competitive. You shouldn't have to pick a stealth assassin/ninja style if you want to do great melee damage.

Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven

That really isn't true, and doesn't belong here. Keep it to the thread you made.

Originally Posted by Gemini_2099

How are those 3 of 8 power sets gimped for stalkers?

Originally Posted by Frosticus

There is nothing wrong with stalkers, there just isn't enough right about them.

Originally Posted by EvilRyu

So what are the odds Castle will give stalkers a second look?