Tainted_Greek_EU

you could have my kheldian...unfortunately its all gone to the americans....

hmmm stamina of course is a personall choice and depends what you are building. In the full PvP stalker i am creating i run the toggles with no issues and also manage to fully maintain attack cycles. My travel power however is not fly or SS..i run tp and hover. Still my toggles seem to not be so end heavy as yours since i run more toggles than you currently but with end reducers in.Its all a matter of personal choice. By the way my stalker is spines/SR with a pretty unniques sniperish build

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who i know would never hold a personal grudge against someone of purposefully belittle or degrade them.

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WHAT DID U CALL ME!!! AAAAARGH!!!! /gignore deluge....lolz

i am working currently on stalker builds both at level 20 now one gimped for pvp the other ultra pvp machine. Word of advice : Dont take stamina. Dont waste on attack powers. If u plan to go full pvp make a thorough search and create an attack cycle that hits fast and hard and stick with it. Then focus on the power pools and your secondary set and slot some end reducers. Currently one of the 2 stalkers i got is going for a really weird build kinda new overall but i easily soloed on max difficulty from level 13-20 since yesterday.Stamina is no problem with some end reducers on secondary set despite the 4 toggles i already run 1 passive and clickable. If u plan to go for PvP dont take stamina unless u plan a really heavy attack build scrapperish like. Then again try play a stalker like a scrapper and is most certain u die in pvp zones.

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So do you. How often have you heard someone described as a 'n00b' because they don't like being ganked, or dislike the idea of being ganged up on, or they don't like hearing totally OTT abuse levelled at themselves or other players.

Tainted, you can justify the use of the term as much as you like, but 'n00b' is a term of abuse and it gets way too much applied to too many people.

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Wingy i dont disagree to what you say. I didnt say people dont use it as abuse and i have personally have fallen occasionally into the loop of calling someone like this just because of the abuse being spammed around...However i dont justify it i just say in which mentallity each one applies originally. At no point its justified and even occasions i have personally used the term cause someone drove me to my utter limit i have regret it afterwards. however there are certain cases that the term more than applies. Still what u say i agree, people many times use it for all the wrong reasons and mainly as a derogatory term.

Wth .....Gand you cant go like this.... i wish you all the best but i still hope you ll be back and of course stay in touch on msn....

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I wont be sad to see the one shot kills go as for the multiple applications of invisibility, i think 2x (hide and stealth) is plenty and isnt too much.

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I will be sad to see them go as one whole AT will be ruined.

hmmm there is a major difference to what you say from what i say. In first case i am talking to normal PvP tactics where there is no time to see what exactly goes on due to intensity of the moment. The case you describe is a lamer that intentionally waits for the rest to do the work and last moment he jumps in to steal the kill. Maybe i didnt phrase what i said right but i am talking about regular situations and not intentional killstealing.

Sirens Call 23 January somewhere around 10pm....

Well hanging out in the PD's teamspeak while levelling a villain and we decide to hit sirens call as villains to give heroes a challenge. The usual team was already there as the last arrived to team up. 5corruptors 1 dominator an MM and one stalker (obot) as we start to kill the heroes around and push them all the way to the base. Making a nice 14k of bounty in an hour and loads of kills due to heroes lack of tactics.

While all this going on and obviously we were center of attention as we were the only organised villains team while some random villains take part in the whole thing and as the heroes are focused on us trying to break us suddenly this pops up in broadcast:

"01-23-2006 01:04:12 [Broadcast]Random Stalker: <color #ff0101><bgcolor #010101>whoever's using TP Foe stop godamned kill stealing!!!!"

Now this made me laugh as the stalker was actually getting advantage of us flooring everything around and getting involved where our group stood and also coming close for buffs and heals. But thats not the point. The point is when some people will realise that Sirens is not Mercy island or Atlas Park where u hunt snakes or any level 1 mobs and that they are actually in a large scale conflict zone where the main objective in the zone is Heroes vs Villains and not 1vs1 locked down fights. With 10-12 heroes around us spamming Freezing rain debuffs slows and fire blasts do some people actually expect that we wont go for anything coning red to us?That we will sit down and actually observe while all this goes on who is attacking who? Lets face it when it comes down to PvP zones and especially a zone like Sirens where its obviously what the purpose of each side is there is no such thing as kill stealing unless of course there are 3 people in the zone and u do it on purpose. And still if u have the same bounty whoever takes the kill first is the lucky one. So please leave the whole killstealing mentallity in Atlas park and the PvE zones where it belongs. In the current PvP zones and ESPECIALLY Sirens you cannot argue about killstealing. Thats my opinion of course noone has to share it but as far as i am concerned many times i have been in Sirens Call alone with my Controller i never complain if i just hold the villains and a passing by hero does the honours. Simply because it gets the job done faster than i would.

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Everyday the more I see the word n00b the more I find it offencive, whats wrong with people being new and inexperienced?

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You misinterpet the term n00b and newbie. Newbies in PvP and PvP zones are the ones quite new to the game and to the mechanics and are slowly getting acquainted. On the other hand n00bs can be low level or high level and usually high level ones despite their high level toons they lack the knowledge about game mechanics as well as proper control of their toons. Furthermore uppon being advised they react spamming abuse and insults and occasionally is hilarious to observe them try give advice about other people builds on broadcast. Currently there is a lot of newbies in PvP zones in CoH/V that of course they have the usual whinge which as they progress and learn goes away and the total (i refrain to use the word) that go in PvP zones and once they get wasted by the good players they start a whole series of arguements about cheats exploits and hax instead of reviewing the reasons they may have lost and trying to evaluate their own tactics.

I havent seen yet any of the old school EU players on Defiant to use the word n00b as a derogatory term on broadcast except for occasions that the term is very very well deserved. Except for plight of course...he is our all time favourite n00b

a small observation regarding our matches. The stormies you got as a duo with grav are very very good combo. You might consider respec since you got more than 1 level 50's to some pvp builds as the ones you got now are PvE spec. All around once again great fun and good matches . If u need help on the stormes pvp builds feel free to pm me if you would like some details on my storm full pvp build.

was good fun all around and interesting combos you guys tried out thanks for the practise and good fun keep practising good work

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I've got to ask. Why do we need the Devs to tell us that 1 v 1's are OK or not? We have brains, we have common sense, surely we can make our own minds up? Whether the devs say it is OK or not is not going to stop people attacking Duels and you know it.

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it wont stop the m Zeph but it will give a context to us regulars in which we can possibly petition. Thats the whole point. Petitioning is the only tool we have to request some justice is served against those that ruin our fun.

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No offence TG but where does it say that PvP zones are for large scale conflicts - its for any size from 1 v 1 to 100 v 100

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None taken. You come exactly to my point. You see it doesnt say anything. We want the devs to define it. To give us more cause right now good players are getting abuse for playing their builds to their max potential and a bunch of tools runs around saying "oh noes why u use holds. Petition" and things like this. I am not against 1vs1 but there is no context give n by the devs which will allow me to say "yes is a 1vs1 do not touch". As for the use of pvp zones. Well the duel system was introduced for the arena. So considering the fact that no duel was introduced for the pvp zones like other MMO's the devs probably didnt have the 1vs1 in their mind when they created PvP zones.

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At the end of the day there is nothing saying 1v1 fights should not happen in the pvp zones and from my experience most folks are happy to leave them to it once they realise they are dueling.

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There is nothing that says that 1vs1 should happen in PvP zones and there is nothing that says 1vs1 duels shouldnt be harassed in pvp zones. PvP zone is not cream and cookies zone. Yes i tend to level duels alone but its at least annoying to listen people say "OMG WE ARE DUELLING". Wth? use arena invite your opponent and duel all night if u want. At best go at some corner where noone see u and arrange it over tells. Not outside the hero base duelling or some hotspot.As for me personally i will usually allow people to keep duelling but if i get bored etc in the zone i wont mind much to bash them all together even if i die. People mind dying in pvp too much. And loosing. They not realise is all for good fun. Once again remember the PvP zone is for conflicts, large scale one. If the intention was for duelling in pvp zones a flag system like WoW would have been created so that duels go on unhassled. And if the devs intend to have duels in arena they better create a flag system for it.

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so I would view getting tp and tp foe and sitting in a watchtower tp’ing folks to me so that they cannot run away while I try to wail on them a valid tactic as it traps them much the same as using hurricane to trap someone in a phone box, cargo box, etc (has the added bonus of if they cannot get out of there in the first place their best bet is to let me kill them otherwise after I’m dead they’ll still be trapped but that is another issue)

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Actually no tower tp is directly considered griefing according to US forums posted from a red name i think somewhere. Its an exploit cause u need actually a GM to get out and is possible to get stuck. I will look up the post on that

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What if the devs decided 1 on 1 fights should be left to fight it out themselves and that TP foe should never be used?

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The Devs will never come up with a rule like this simply because if they wanted something like that they would initiate a flag pvp system.Also if tp foe was never to be used then it would be locked out of pvp together with hurricane,telekinesis and assasin strike.

Do you really believe the devs could come up with a rule like this and then of course make the arena totally useless? No. Can the players come up with a rule like this cause many consider sportsmanship to engage in 1vs1 and yell "leave me alone" in a large scale conflict battleground? Yes. And i not like what the players might come up with. Sounds harsh although i agree with wingy that there are common grounds we can start but i still dont want that because we already get griefed for trying to keep order by petitioning people that break EULA rules in broadcast etc. Do u realise what will happen if players start to try enforce rules to other players and u tell them that these rules were created by players?Well take a guess. Flamewars and unecessary petition spammage. I want the devs to get their act together and set a bunch of rules and a context that will allow us to operate and have fun and know what is right and what is wrong. If this means leaving tp out of the pvp zones or letting me go in there even with brawl i am prepared to accept it. But having a player tell me i break some rule that he decided or a majority of players decided then that will only make me wanna break the rule again and again to protest against unrecognised authority. Thats the human nature. You cant expect a bunch of 15 year olds that inside the pvp zones are like "loz0r 0wnage zomg [censored] bbq elevety one!!!" to say "yes thank you for informing of the player created rules i shall follow them blindfolded and spread them around".

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What are RoC and CoC?

Btw I have noticed cov is really flowing with fresh players..

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Sorry i didnt clarify earlier and i made a typo as well

RoE-Rules of Engagement that are set in order to allow devs,support team and players to determine whats griefing and what is not

CoC- Code of Conduct regarding behavious within the PvP zones.

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I'd actually like to try that... just for all the people who say that keeping villains in bus stops using hurricane is OK.

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I think that we, as a community should produce our own COC. I think people would be more likely to stick to it if they knew players had decided on it themselves.

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Thats definetely a no regarding this. I not want anyone that i personally not recognise as authority over me in game to set me a bunch of rules that i might not agree. It might be the majority in here that fancies 1 on 1 fights thinking pvp zones is some kind of arena or so and they decide to set a rule that 1vs1 fights are allowed. Well i dont want that just like most of serious pvp players out there. If i feel for a 1vs1 i issue a challenge and go to the arena. Just cause people dont know how to use arena it doesnt mean we have to accept rules like this. So i want CoC and RoC for PvP but set from the devs according to the devs expectations for the PvP zones and their recognised authority. Not every forumer or so. Cause the forums are not the whole community u know. Many good people out there that dont use the forums at all. Who are we to tell them that we set a bunch of rules that they have to follow. Thats a no and in fact a big one on this suggestion.

what nefarious says fully expresses me and is more clear since my english is not good enough to explain like he does. I am not absolut to what i say but regarding pvp its indeed a gray area

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There are just 4 distinctive cases:
bad pvper + bad build (bp/bb)
good pvper + bad build (gp/bb)
bad pvper + good build (bp/gb)
good pvper + good build (gp/gb)

In my opinion from what I've seen thusfar in the pvp zones its:
gp/gb > gp/bb > bp/gp > bp/bb

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What is even bigger factor here is the factor teaming. Consider the fact that the really good pvpers on Defiant at least are teamed together is the essence of what goes on. The fact that we team all together makes it overpowered cause its a team with good players already..so the builds complete each other anyway.Even if we play with bad builds and not our specific level 50 pvp builds we still overperform as a team. Thats not cause of build is because of skill. When i step in PvP zone i rarely team with anyone except the regular people i team cause they are the only ones i know that will play in the best way possible and fully cooperate and work as a team cause they all know what they do individually as well as in team context and thats the essence of pvping. To know what you can do how to do it and how to bestly support the ones teaming with you and having common goal.

hmmmm it seems there has been a slight so called "generation" change regarding the player base...CoV is fresh and many tools from other games have migrated there.Furthermore the tools we had here take it out in PvP zones. Unfortunately situations like that is best try and calm down and do your best to drive them off the zone by killing them. Hmmm unfortunately engagin in banter is unavoidable cause many teams it really goes beyond our tolerance. To be honest devs need to set a RoC and CoC as soon as possible for PvP cause somethings are going beyond the line with all the newbies flooding the server thinking its some CS and frag game.

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I would still like good PvP players leveling up a toon with 'gimped' powerset combo and make it shine in PvP.. If its all about skill then..

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The thing is its unlikely for good pvp players to play gimped sets unless they really fancy them. I am playing stalker currently which is consider amongst the weakest combos..nin/nin, i am gonna go in sirens tonight with no SO and see. However i already managed 15 rep points in 30 min in Bloody Bay today while i was on break from xp..

Actually quicksand interrupts also and hurricane as well

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If the info's private, or at least can't be seen by the enemy then I withdraw the objection. If it's a big a55 leaderboard (which was what I was imagining... for some reason) everyone can see all the time then my original point stands.

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Having a PvP leaderboard in ranking though is a good idea..it doesnt show anything about the rest of the players and it gives some initiative to get in there.