T_Immortalus

Other people have other opinions than "FIRE FIRE ALL THE WAY".

The problem with Fire is it has nothing but damage, and doesn't seem high enough above everything else that doesn't sacrifice secondary effects.


I preferred Radiation Blast, myself, but that actually seems to suffer from low damage because of its speed, same thing with some Fire attacks.


I'm looking to see which of the other sets, especially the slower ones that benefit more from recharge enhancements and higher base damage, are good to people.
This seems prudent considering Time Manipulation boosts recharge.







So, how would everybody rate the sets?
What are their strengths and weaknesses?
Which do you recommend.


And yes, you can suggest Fire. I just didn't want that to be the only answer, especially without explanation.




Edit:
Also, maybe somebody can get the regular corruptor players form the corruptor boards over here to make suggestions? They probably have tried practically everything, so they know the advantages and disadvantages and strategies.

Yep, it just bugs me because I like things to make a little more sense.

Of course, it bugs me a lot less than it did before we had actual numbers visible. We used to only have the description, and an incorrect description was a huge problem then.




Edit:
Wiki still suffers from this. All the powers there use their flawed descriptions, no numbers in sight. People have to actually use links in game(except those don't always display correctly such as for every corruptor primary which is broken right now) or use Mid's and hope Mid's is accurate too.

I'm surprised to see that you're a complete jerk.

I don't claim to know more than anyone else, and the reason I post so much is to offer ideas if I have any, or offer actual solutions I have used int he past to similar/same problems.


FYI, look at how many threads receive no posts from me. I don't post in most of them because I HAVE NO BLEEPING IDEA!

So, thanks for being a jerk.





Edit:
Oh yeah, look at my post count.
It's a lot lower than yours despite my obvious tendency to post multiple times in a single thread instead of doing my best to crunch them all into a single post.

Maybe you should look int he mirror, Mr. Knowitall.

Actually, I finally got some support through the web form, which was not spelled out or even hinted at within the game, and they told me "you should also report this in game".

Funny, I guess I'm supposed to use both system and repeat myself to actually get help.




Yes, I was told to use the in game report function.

You should start a new thread about that.

My thread here is about a longstanding issue that is directly related to incarnate level shifted team leaders, not bases.

That connection trouble was caused by the crash in progress, but it's usually worse. 1056 is low for that.

Normally, I don't see ping that high, aside from the occasional short spike of green due to the game's trouble with stability, unless other users are online in my home sucking up bandwidth which makes my ping solid 2000+ until they stop hogging bandwidth.
Shared internet connections suck, but it is good often enough to make gaming enjoyable, so long as the game itself works well and doesn't cause more trouble.

Nope, there are always longbow in Mercy, especially around the Eastern shore around the walled city.

....and "ludicrous".

I was saying "knock-down should be low magnitude knock-up" and in some cases, like Psionic Tornado and Air Superiority, it is.


I think they should stop calling powers, like Burst, "knock-down" when they are not so in every case. Actually, i want them changed to knock-up so my melee characters never have to worry about a melee power knocking an enemy out of range of melee powers, especially with AoEs.

Funny, it calls "knock-up" "knock-back".



This is an example of what I was saying before, that the game calls "low magnitude knock-back" "knock-down":
So, the game does call "low magnitude knock-back" "knock-down".



Edit:
Maybe it's a mistake, a typo, that they made when the descriptions don't match the detailed info, but the "low magnitude knock-back" being called "knock-down" is intentional.

Ummm, I think that is a flawed test simply because of the level shift. I don't think that works properly with knock-back to make it work as if you were like a plain level 50 against a level 49.

Also, the enemies I am talking about are those with no knock-back protection, especially minions one level below.

Last I checked, blue-con enemies(one level below) get launched back by a 0.67 magnitude knock-back.


And yes, "down" is a directional vector even if the ground below an enemy prevents them from actually moving "lower". It's not like the earth is flat without a core.

Look at every instance of "low magnitude knock-back" in Super Strength, Martial Arts, Kinetic Melee, Street Justice, etc....

Look at every instance of "low magnitude knock-up" such as Air Superiority and "Psionic Tornado(I think this is low mag, I'll have to check).


Yes, they "sometimes get it right", but they mostly get it wrong.

In fact, I think the melee sets used to actually use knock-up for knock-down, until they instituted the "low magnitude knock-back" change with the addition of Kinetic Melee or proliferation of one of the melee sets even before that.

I'm pretty sure that "low magnitude knock-back" is a recent development.
Maybe there even used to be an actual "knock-down" that didn't work properly anymore so they changed most of the powers that used it and phased it out.




Anyway, why do I keep responding?
I have got to stop.

Oh, they want to fix it. It's just hard.

That is why I posted my idea for a solution.

1) Maybe my ideas were never heard before.

2) Maybe they are simple enough to be done.

3) Maybe they will work.


4) Maybe they just needed a new idea, possibly because they ran out of ideas or don't have the time to give it enough thought with all the other work they must do.



You don't get anywhere without trying. If we all "waited for the world to get better" then we "would all be miserable forever" because nobody would make it happen.

So "down" is not vertical?

Do you not know which way is up?


horizontal = left and right
vertical = up and down



Edit:
I don't mean to be insulting, but you asked for that question.

I'm done with this thread. Anybody who wants to be stupid can be so.

You had to misread, didn't you?


I meant "we call knock-back powers knock-down, simply because their magnitude is lower than 1, even though they are not even a vertical vector knock".

Do you call East and West vectors South simply because they are not North?
No, you wouldn't do that because they are not even on the same vector as South and North.


Knock-back is not knock-down, no matter how low the magnitude is and how it behaves against same or higher level enemies, simply because it doesn't STAY knock-down.

Well that is an animation problem with knock-up then, likely just Air Superiority though since Levitate actually animates better.
It may also be an artifact of the messy physics this game has.


Also, what do you expect from knock-down? Do you expect the enemy legs to break so they can crumple down without their legs flipping out from under them and possibly going over their head?

I have slipped really good in real life before. I can tell you my legs and head changed places, literally. I practically flipped, but didn't go all the way over.







By the way, it only takes an enemy being one level below you, such as you being level 50 and them being level 49, for your "knock-down"(low mag knock-back) to send them backward as a greater than mag 1 knock-back.

They should lower the magnitude to something like 0.1 or change it to knock-up to stop the common "down becoming back" problem.



I think that's enough of this topic for me though. The original issue was solved.

Yes it is.

They're calling a horizontal vector, "low mag knock-BACK", a vertical vector, "knock-down" as in up and down.


That's like somebody telling you "go South" and you going West simply because it is at the bottom of your compass so it "looks the same to you".



Not to mention, it is "just a prevalence" when the power suddenly performs COMPLETELY DIFFERENT when your target's level changes.

Normally, a "knock-down" power tosses your enemy right in the same exact spot, not pushing them backwards. If it starts "pushing them backwards" then it isn't "pushing them down" anymore and thus is "no longer knock-down".


Essentially, the "low mag knock-back" doesn't stay "knock-down" when it really needs to and we want it to stay knock-down.
That's a problem.

I never have, but I do not like the prevalence of the developers using "low mag knock-back" instead of using "knock-up" for actual knock-down. It makes it difficult for melee characters or those who wish to keep enemies debuffed or flopping on the ice slick.

What is the magnitude of knock-up on Air Superiority?
0.75

What is the magnitude of knock-back on Foot Stomp?
0.67
(FYI: I haven't verified this in game as of this moment. This is from memory so may be incorrect. The point was to cite an example of low magnitude knock-back that is called "knock-down".)


What do we call them both?
knock-down


The only difference is that one will always knock the target, no matter the level difference, the same way. The other will perform differently by knocking the target back instead of straight up and down.



Therefore, I did not change the definition of "knock-down". I am saying that they misuse the term "knock-down" for powers that actually use low magnitude "knock-BACK" which doesn't always perform the same as "true knock-down".

My point was the distinction between "the target landing in the same spot" and "the target moving backwards in some circumstances".

"True knock-down" would never ever become "knock-back".




You know why this is so important?
Because melee characters hate knock-back.

If melee characters face enemies at -1x8, they have to chase them after they hit them with a power like Foot Stomp, simply because the low magnitude knock-back now is high enough magnitude to not behave like knock-down.

I have cursed that several times on my melee characters because I want every enemy, regardless of level, to stay exactly where they are in melee range.

1) Sorry I got worked up. It was a combination of factors, partly from other posts elsewhere and my real life at the moment I was posting.


2) I actually asked "who said they intentionally made a bug, intentionally broke things?" because they would never admit to such a thing.
You were clearly assuming something, likely following the resident forum "conspiracy theorists" that think "every bug is the developers intentionally angering us".

They don't intentionally anger us. They don't even intentionally create bugs.

They're just human and imperfect like all of us. They can't get it right every time.

Hell, they may not have even made any mistakes and still have bugs because the people that originally made the game, an entirely different team, were the ones who made the mistakes that made the current bugs manifest when changes were made to a system that "would only work one way".


3) Yes, MMs have always had odd AI for pets, but it was much less odd at first. It started with only a few bad bugs isolated to specific pets like the Thugs Bruiser, not every ranged pet forsaking range in order to use their disabled brawl attack(essentially, any pet that runs into melee and supposedly doesn't have a melee attack, not even brawl).

They fixed the specific pet bugs and things were nto bad for quite a while. Demon Summoning had a lot of bugs though, so they changed all the AI, which was working relatively well, to make one set(which cost extra since it was with Going Rogue, so they did this for more money) work better than it did, instead of changign that one set to conform to the AI.
That is what broke it.

Now, they need to figure out a way to fix the AI without undoing the fixes they already made that caused the bugs we have now. That is where it gets difficult.









So no, they did not intentionally put in a bug as a nerf to masterminds. They can nerf them easily by reducing the power of the pets and the buffs for masterminds, much easier than putting in "functional yet broken" AI.

And no, mastermind pets would not be overpowered with better control. They would be more difficult to manage because it would enable and require more complex controls.
Essentially, we would go from only needing 2 functions, "petcom_all defensive follow" and "petcom_all attack"(as the only 2 functions I find I need as a mastermind), to needing to control each pet separately and with much more complex functions such as specifically telling them which attack they should use(akin to the system of heroes in Guild Wars).


Better control is not always a blessing. Better control is just as often a curse.
Just look at the mouse and keyboard. They provide immense control, but they aren't very ergonomic, and everybody I know can see all the typos I make as I get more accustomed to and experienced with using a keyboard.

I did not say "no knowledge".
I said "not formally educated".

Meaning:
I have knowledge of basic programming, the functions that make up every program.
I also know how logic works, like "if A=B and A=C then B=C" and "cause and effect".

That is all you need for programming.



They have been taught that, but they were also taught "this is how these people in the past have done these things" and learned "this is how we have done functions in City of Heroes before".
(Essentially, they were taught to "copy-paste". Not intentionally, but peopel take the quick path if they can, which is "copy-paste".)

They have lost creativity because their education and work has been so structured and based on "this is how it is, now work with it" instead of actually creatively changing how it works at the core.


It's like when you do a job for 20 years and suddenly have to find a new job. You got really good at your specific job, but now you have to learn a new job, even if it is similar it is still quite different.

Programming is that way. If everything was simple and already had a known solution that came before then there wouldn't be "new programs" and "new functions" and every game would be the same forever.

It's called stagnation.
Stagnant water is so because it just sits there and doesn't move. It goes bad simply because it isn't changing.

People get the same way. If you worry too much about "this is the only way to do this" then you lose the ability to adapt to new situations or ideas.
People are slow to change, perhaps even requiring new people who think differently. It's called evolution(which does not just apply to genetics but also cultures and ideas and even something as simple as taste).








I'm saying that the developers need new ideas because they are stuck "inside the box". They need "out of the box" ideas.

And yet, Air Superiority is "0.75 mag knockup".


True, TRUE, knock-down is a low magnitude knock-up because TRUE knock-down never changes to "knock-back" when attacking a lower level enemy.

Faux, FAUX, knock-down is low magnitude knock-back. It doesn't keep the target in place.