StratoNexus

If that is the case, I would consider that to be fundamentally the same as adding this damage to each attack (each attack would, in essence, have its own double hit entry). I understand it might be technically a bit different than this information actually appearing on each power's sheet, but it would work the same way in the final result.

Here's hoping each power has its own entry somehow.

Hmmm. Good point. The calculation is likely occurring on the fly, which would mean they wouldn't be able to adjust it for individual powers. This could make fixing the tanker version much more difficult.

I think they simply ran out of time to make it work perfectly as intended. A script was just run to add the damage based on recharge and area factor (thus why tanker attacks are mussed up thanks to gauntlet). I expect they will fix tankers. I believe they will likely adjust APP powers. I am less certain if they will take the time to adjust powers like Freeze Ray, Stun, and Follow Up.

I know I had my Core Assault perma for awhile. My damage buff numbers were indeed reflecting the fact that it was on.

Indeed. It gets tougher as the level increases because you need more inspirations to survive and the enemies die much slower, so you do not get enough incoming inspires.

First, the comment wasn't about soloing the spawn, but rather about mezzing it. Soloing (a mission full of) +4 / x8 Carnies on a blaster is way impressive (to me). Locking them down would be miraculous (My Sonic/Nrg with Power Boost and Boost Range might be able to if I get lucky on the phasing), even moreso on a an Ice/*/Electric.

Second, soloing +4 /x8 Carnie spawns requires paying attention on several other ATs, but is not nearly as impressive. My WP tanker can herd them up and I can walk away, but he is an exception (he also can be killed when I walk away, but it usually takes a long time until I get an unlucky streak of -regen). I haven't tried with my Fire/Rad/Earth controller since I got Clarion, it would be pretty extreme and difficult, but with modest inspiration use I think possible. With difficulty I can pull it off on my Kat/Invuln/Power, but I do not know if I could ever get good enough to not die every third spawn or so (the potential is there, a better player could likely succeed).

I just tried it on my dominator and I was dying every other spawn, but that was better than I expected. Perhaps with practice I might be able to do well (I kept not using my Judgement, never pulled out my Lore, didn't properly rotate my holds while the MIs were unphased, not using Power Boost, and lots of other little things that make me think a better player could do it).

I am trying to figure out how to survive 7 seconds in order to cast all that mez, meanwhile nothing else in the spawn has even been touched. +4s do not die fast enough to maintain inspiration rush. Sure, you could start with a full load of inspires and maybe go two or three spawns using inspires, but after that, splat. And using inspires to survive means wasting time on mez is likely counterproductive.

I am glad to see your amazing powers of set judgement have not abated in the past month.

While I can get two out for a bit with one build, I would gladly give that up for it to be perma. I guess I could be satisfied if it were buffed and left castable. I used to constantly summon sings and I still have to manage Dark Extraction, so continuing to manage gun Drone is workable if it were better than it currently is.

Hey. I like Gun Drone. I just wish it was a perma pet. It draws aggro, does decent damage, and I like its sound effect and look.

No, but going slower than someone who doesn't need to use lower damage controls. While you are busy kiting, pulling, mezzing, other ATs are killing. You know this, I have seen you argue the same thing many times.

During their duration, almost assuredly.

Wow. That looks oddly designed.

If they wanted the taunt effect to be more powerful with each tier, the duration should increase, not the Mag.

Generally, when I stand in the open and shoot stuff, I call that attacking, not pulling. While I may not aggro the whole spawn that way, it certainly becomes more likely and each enemy I continue to attack in the open increases the likelihood of the entire spawn aggroing. What do you call pulling?

Culture and community exists through global channels. I play with many great people on Guardian, Liberty, Protector, and Pinnacle (and I play on other servers, but not enough to join any communities). When I am on Liberty, there are tons of times I wish I could switch to a character I have on Guardian. When I am on Guardian, there are tons of times I wish I could switch to a character on Protector. When I am on Pinnacle there are tons of times I wish I could bring a character on Champion.

The global channels I am part of are my communities. Sometimes one of my communities is doing something I really want to join, but sadly I cannot with the character I really want to join with. Nothing would be better for the game than cross-server teaming, IMO.

I fail to understand how pulling does not slow a ranger down. Pulling is not a ranger/melee thing. You pull because you cannot survive all the enemies beating on you at once. I sometimes have to pull on my scrappers. I can often charge on my controllers. I can herd on my tanker or my Kin defender (although it is generally safer on a tanker). I can steamroll on my blaster or my stalker. These are all tactics that have their place and can be used as needed, but range vs. melee has very little to do with their usage.

Pulling may not slow down a purely single target build (but even then, I'd think it would be faster if you did not have to pull).

Yes they do (you can move the spawn, but you can't split it, you can briefly jump behind a wall, but you cannot disengage and return to the fight after healing).

Remember, I am not saying which tactics should be allowed in play, but merely trying to keep clarity on the discussion. Pulling is a viable tactic, but comes at a significant enough speed penalty that I generally wouldn't consider it a normal tactic to be used every spawn (outside of certain trapper situations, but we all know the slowness of trapping is one of their drawbacks, safety at the cost of time).

When someones says they can fight +4 /x8, I believe most everyone believes the discussion is about an entire spawn being engaged.

You are correct that B_L_Angel did not specify how they achieved running Carnie and Malta missions at +4 / x8, but I think that is why Arcanaville was clarifying the difficulty of such a feat. Until otherwise informed, I am going to assume B_L_Angel was not talking about pulling.

It is much less interesting to claim you can finish Augusta from the long tees and then later clarify that you did it with 170 strokes.

It is not cheating to use tactics in game. It is disingenuous in a conversation to claim you can play on a PGA course and do as well as Tiger Woods, but then later state, that you just mean pitch and putt, rather than including driving and approach from the fairway. But that doesn't mean playing pitch and putt is wrong or cheating.

It is fine to pull in game as needed, I do it (although if I have to do it often, I prefer to turn my difficulty down so I don't need to do it much). But when discussing survivability in these forums, stating you can face +4 /x8 spawns generally means you can actually face the whole spawn, not pieces of it.

I am not saying what is right or wrong in game, merely trying to make sure we are all discussing the same thing.

That is not true.

Your mission is odd. I have several saved carnie missions on various characters. Full spawns are usually 3 bosses. Sometimes 2. Rarely 1.

But SR does not lose all its armor vs. the whole spawn. And we are comparing it to blasters. It is not like blasters have ANY armor to lose vs. MIs. Sure, with IOs they can get Psi defense, but so can SR scrappers. To be honest, I am not sure SR passives include Psi resists (I think they do not, but maybe I am wrong). And your inclusion of pulling as a tactic is something anyone on any AT can do, but once again, it ceases to be a useful discussion point about what a character can survive once we stop actually facing a +4 /x8 spawn and instead pull.

I have not said blasters were on par with other ATs for years (maybe 2006 was the last I had that stance).

I have been recently saying blasters underperform the other ATs, but despite that I am not FOR a buff to the AT. I am not AGAINST one either. I think the game has room for an AT (or 10) that needs team buffs and aggro control to survive. Remember, I am crazy. My odd stance is, "Blasters are weak, keep them that way (or not)."

Here are two examples of outdoor carnie maps. Most of these have 2 bosses, rather than 3, but I consider these maps the odd ones.
+4 / x8 setting

+2 / x7 setting

But it is a discussion point that can be defined and understood. Pulling is a skill, I have seen people do it poorly and others do it well (and there is also an element of luck involved). But it is not a useful point of discussion in this type of topic.

You get 3 normally. Any combination of three MIs and DRMs is likely to kill most stuff, especially combined with a bunch of Lts. and minions. Honestly, you are calling getting quickly owned by ONE +4 / x8 Carnie spawn a hyperbolic representation of that situation? That seems more likely to be the 99% scenario.

Why did you rule pulling out for the scrapper? Don't act smug. Anyone can pull, but then you are not really fighting +4 / x8 size spawns. +4 / x (whatever portion of a spawn you get, it might be x8, it might be one guy, it might be something in-between) is not a very useful thing to discuss as the variance is significantly higher than regular spawn to spawn fighting.

This is different from pulling in order to prevent engaging multiple spawns. Keeping yourself to one spawn at a time can likely be a key to survivability if you are already running close to the edge. Pulling one spawn apart just means you are running way past that edge.