Stalk_obot_EU

Its all down to the ambiguous EULA and the fact that the GMs dont need to justify their actions, if they feel you have gone beyond reasonable play, and are indulging in antics which the sole purpose of is to upset people, this can be deemed harrasment, greifing or whatever and the GMs can do what they want. In a MMORPG there is no hard and fast set of rules, GMs take a decision you have to live by it whether you deem it fair or not.

Send a petition and let the GMs sort it out, its what they are paid to do.

What a shame a pleasant thread go hijacked.

The devs dont want us to kill hami pure and simple, each time a method is set up players are nerfed and hami is buffed. 24 players (not devs) farmed hami silly and the reward for figuring out how to do it was a round of nerfs.

Should we figure out what the devs consider to be "the right way" hami will once again be buffed and/or players nerfed which is pretty weak seeing it is such lame end game content.

The whole "find the right way" myth is there just to try and keep some mystery and as a result interest in Hami, remember the crap with Caleb and the "mysterious" way to spawn him, the devs insisted that this complex way had just not been discovered (very simple btw) and turns out Caleb was broken. There is no mystery, you just need specific alts and good players.

scrapper reactions to my dm/sr are quite fun, there was 4/5 regens in sc camping about in the water the other day so I ran around spamming touch of fear on them all and they all left

BS/SR ftw

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Team Leaders - The one thing that shocked me was exactly how little info there was on the Hamidon channel. Babel, as raid leader, should have been organising and informing the team leaders of what to do(I assume there were two channels, one for general and one for team leaders). However, at LEAST one of those leaders should have then been keeping the rest of the raid team updated on developments. Thinking people are going to wait around in The Hive when they have no idea of what's going on and none of the team leaders can be bothered to update them is a sure way to get people thinking 'I'm not standing here for another hour when we don't even know what's going on. I'm off'.

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Request should have been used, not a global channel/broadcast IMHO

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Targetting
I've heard that singularities were used for people to target Hamidon through. My only question there is WHAT! Using an AI NPC, when there are mitos around and they've just as much chance of attacking them as Hami is a bad idea.

I know Hami fades from sight due to the lag at certain points but there's always someone who can see/target him. As soon as a power recharges, looks who's firing into the blob and target through them(if none of the designated raid targeters have a lock), not blindly through an AI bot that could be attacking anything.

The thought of how many crucial holds were wasted here is frightening and, IMO, this seems to be the single biggest cause of failure.

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Sings are unlikely to have been targeting mitos as they should have been spawned next to Hami, its impossible to function using a player as a targeter in regards to hami as they may have him one minute and not the next, also X amount of people all trying to find one person to look through is massively undynamic.

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Too Many Chiefs
At the end of the day, this was Babels raid and all the calls were his to make, NO ONE ELSES, unless input was specifically asked for by previous raid/team leaders. Unless you had been a raid or team leader in the past, how much you had read on Hammi raids or how many successful ones you had been on in the past didn't mean squat, especially if you had never done one before but were suddenly full of your opinions on how it should be done. I refer you to my initial taunt team requirements before I had to withdraw from the raid.

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No substitute for experience I picked up 4 last week I knew this was doomed to failure, it was like a defiant raid 12+ months ago when the server lag meant power rotation took forever and the thing was, we HAD cleared the mitos. The servers that ncsoft provide are specified to handle 75 people per zone effectively so 150 + spam heals + all the mitos still there is just not going to happen. 40 could run a heal blanket and kill hami but would have to be specific ATs

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The other reason I don't think we'll succeed? Ego. From what I understand on the Defiant raids, it's the fact that everyone listens to Xanthus and does what the hell they are told. From the reports I heard last night, that wasn't the case with people trying to issue their own orders.

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Don’t fall prey to rose tinted glasses syndrome, while there are a fair number of people on defiant who know what they are doing we still have hoards who run about doing whatever they feel like and making the job harder than it already is

Ditch the blanket, clear the mitos and hold him to death, its not the fastest way, its not the most efficient way but its far more likely to work.

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Might be worth holding off the hami raids until I8 hits. Mind you, I think numbers will be flagging worse than they are now so that might not help much either.

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Why I8? The problem wasn't lack of people either.
Seems to be a common theme to your posts recently.

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Well I8 lets us server hop - which will be nice.
I thought the problem was not quite enough holds all the way through? Would this not be solved by more controllers?

BTW - I agree that there must be an as yet undiscovered way to do hami over. The dev's managed with 24 characters.

What stats do we have for hami so far? E.g. resitance to toxic known? Hold resistance known? Knockback resistance known? Etc...etc.


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the numbers are fine but the server isnt up to taking on hami with the mitos up, union doesnt need more people or specific ATs, just needs to find the way that works for them. With the numbers we had tonight it would (imho) been more effecient to clear the mitos.

As for the devs doing it with 24, well i should damn well hope so, you put something togather and you should know how to take it apart which is why one of my pvp characters will always be able to take out another.

Half the nerfs we have received have been about maintaining Hami at the top of the food chain, as soon as one method is established as foolproof in comes another nerf and it hurts the EU servers more than the US as we dont have the numbers or the organisation.

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Are we absolutely certain he can't spawn mitos through hold too?

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Yes, or US servers wouldn't be beating him, which they are. A mito spawn pretty much = game over, no matter your server population.

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Im sure end drain is the way to do it swiftly, no end not spawn, simple as but Im not going to organise anything, I just dont need the agrivation however I would strongly suggest sweet-talking Xanthus into running one as he is selfless enough to run these and has a proven track record. The way he does it is still the staple on the majority of the US servers when the Hami farmers are not sneaking in their special forces.

My 2 cents

Hami isnt a problem, he isnt hard to kill just annoying and can be tedious if things dont go right. Hes killed nightly on most US servers using the old kill all mitos, everyone hit him once then hold him to death.

Heal blanket is fine in theory but the server is not up to the job of processing all of the imformation which is why powers take 5 mins to activate. There were too many firing heals.

Not clearing mitos is too advanced a tactic for inexperienced hami raiders which the majority were. I would only attempt a heal blanket with a dedicated Hami squad who all knew what they were doing.

In my opinion end drain is key and they could do it with a heal blanket strategy (with less people) kins, elecs and the like end draining and applying -recovery means hami cant do jack, no attacks, no mito spawns at 50% so who the hell cares if hes held or not. There are some US sgs who farmed Hami to death using end drain and this was before the advantage we now have of end drain being a % as opposed to a set number.

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Speaking of which, can anyone tell me what's the +DEF cap for the different ATs? Or is it all capped at 45 due to the I7 defense changes?

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there is no def cap as far as I know..unless its about 300:P

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if it was capped at 45 then there wouldnt be much point in taking elude.

posion gas toggle drops are a thing of the past

granite has mag 12 hold resistance so more than 4 holds are needed or more than 2 with domination/powerboost

And then you need to factor in rooted....

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pfft! forget inspirations, some people dont even want you to use your powers!

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Yep using your tier one secondary power for stalker (hide) is disgraceful while scrappers using all of their powers is fair game I found out yesterday in WB. Always makes me laugh when lvl 50 regens are moaning in pvp

*edit* and i like BFs, nothing makes me smile more than seeing people pop them in the pvp zone as its another one down and I will refear them in another 30 seconds

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Once you hit 34 with an EM stalker, you are looking at a BU+TF, ET, placate, bonesmasher combo that will pretty much decimate a mob of three +3s in about 6-8 seconds. Very rarely will you need to use AS.

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This sounds like what he was doing. I think it was EM too. I might roll one myself, and go a more scrapper route.

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BU and TF and BU and ET doesnt take out +3 minions in the higher levels, will leave them with a sliver of health which means your attack is slowed by having to use finishing moves like energy punch. However EM AS is enough to take out a +3 minion without the need for BU so AS, BU+ET, placate and TF (with energy punch to finish) is the way to clear +3s in seconds.



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BU+et almost 1 hit kills reds without the help of TF...critical TF is a fact you shouldn't forget..

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um AS kills one, BU +ET almost kills another (finishing energy punch after as you are maximising BU) Placate + tf (crit) almost kills another then u got 2 who have one hit left in them stumbling around who u nrg punch to death. BU+ET+TF on a minion would be madness

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srry did read it wrong..my bad

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nah after re-reading it myself it could easily be taken the wrong way, it sounded pretty ambiguous

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Once you hit 34 with an EM stalker, you are looking at a BU+TF, ET, placate, bonesmasher combo that will pretty much decimate a mob of three +3s in about 6-8 seconds. Very rarely will you need to use AS.

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This sounds like what he was doing. I think it was EM too. I might roll one myself, and go a more scrapper route.

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BU and TF and BU and ET doesnt take out +3 minions in the higher levels, will leave them with a sliver of health which means your attack is slowed by having to use finishing moves like energy punch. However EM AS is enough to take out a +3 minion without the need for BU so AS, BU+ET, placate and TF (with energy punch to finish) is the way to clear +3s in seconds.



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BU+et almost 1 hit kills reds without the help of TF...critical TF is a fact you shouldn't forget..

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um AS kills one, BU +ET almost kills another (finishing energy punch after as you are maximising BU) Placate + tf (crit) almost kills another then u got 2 who have one hit left in them stumbling around who u nrg punch to death. BU+ET+TF on a minion would be madness

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Is Ninjitsu as good as SR? What is generally considered to be the "best" stalker secondary? I want to be able to Scrap.

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Ninj def isnt as high as SR but its not such a tight build as if you pick SR you may as well take the full set to maximise defence. Ninj does have a self heal that SR does not though. Ninj doesnt have knockup/down protection so acrobatics is a must restricting your travel powers or any broadsword scrapper will simply juggle you to death.

As for scrapping as I said before EM is not the set to do it with, its massive burst damage and its attacks do nothing to prolong your life in a battle. Ninja Blades divine avalanche increases your def massively but best of all for scrapping is Dark Melee as the -acc stacks so fast they will be lucky to hit you at all. Touch of fear cuts through all those mez protects thats holds cant break with impunity. IMO for a stalker "scrapper" its DM/SR all the way

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Having a few SR scrappers(a MA/SR at 50),i should know a thing or two about it.

I believe Elude lasts for 3 minutes,and when its down your left with 10 Endurance or something around that.

You might believe that I'm crazy but i do know that i use Conserve Power and a CaB to make up for the Downtime,and my toggles dont drop while doing that.

Which is why i think your left with some endurance when your about 100% when it drops

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They changed it in a previous patch.. it WILL drop all toggles regardless, for the most part (yay for passives).

Elude lasts for 3mins total.

Catching it with a CaB, when it "crashes" is usually the sure fireway to keep toggles up long enough, to move out of aggro range.. but you gotta be fast!

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it only toggle drops as what you are running takes 10 end in a tick. Its possible with the judicious application of a cab or 3 you can maintain your toggles. Realistically its a cab + travel and run away.

gratz that was quick

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Once you hit 34 with an EM stalker, you are looking at a BU+TF, ET, placate, bonesmasher combo that will pretty much decimate a mob of three +3s in about 6-8 seconds. Very rarely will you need to use AS.

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This sounds like what he was doing. I think it was EM too. I might roll one myself, and go a more scrapper route.

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BU and TF and BU and ET doesnt take out +3 minions in the higher levels, will leave them with a sliver of health which means your attack is slowed by having to use finishing moves like energy punch. However EM AS is enough to take out a +3 minion without the need for BU so AS, BU+ET, placate and TF (with energy punch to finish) is the way to clear +3s in seconds.

EM is a striker set not a scrapper IMO, it has huge burst damage but TF is slow to recharge so there can be a gap in the chain in high lvl pvp and energy punch and barrage just dont fill it However I have nothing but good things to say about DM/SR which is the best stalker "scrapper" set out there and with one shield (focused fighting) at lvl 34 was more than able to out scrap most scrappers. DMs -acc stacks up really fast and Touch of fear is godly, I went in sirens the other day and there was the usual gaggle of heros in the water waiting to pick off venturing villains so I just went round spamming fear on them (with quickness and slotted its a 3-4 second recharge time and also add in -acc) and a few mins later they all left

All the -acc coupled to SRs def is wonderful too watch them have to resort to accolades to hit

DM/SR is my fotm tip of the week

BS = better damage but slower to recharge, Katana = shorter animations and faster recharge

I love my BS/SR but SR does ahve quickness which speeds up BSs attack rate.

Slotted parry/divine avalance double stacked and properly slotted gives you a further 48%ish def boost Vs melee attacks

Mine will be available

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Did someone made up their mind if it's two minutes or three minutes for Elude?

Hero builder says it's two minutes, 120 seconds. But it also said we can't attack foes or help allies?

Wut?

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That's the pre-I2 version...

ie. more than 2 years old.

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lol I never ran anything with SR back then so was unaware of eludes 'eccentricities` but from what I am reading elude used to be essentially a crappy form of phase shift?

I need this on Stryka, my lvl 50 bs/sr

Best trash-taking challange ever

Am happy to fight you or lend support in any capacity (not emp, Im a crap pvp emp )

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Fire/ta is arena, not zone.

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What he said. Don't try and play fire/ta in zone PvP, you will die more than most other toons. As soon as you pull that bow out, you're basically dead. In 1vs1 you can lock down your opponent enough with things like Entangling Arrow and Glue Arrow to prevent them from getting any hits in, but in the zones there's usually several more people who are quite happy to run around behind you and hit you in the back.

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I dont mind dying, just looking for something a bit different, as arena is usually quiet zones are going to be the place to find some casual PVP. I fully expect this one to be as squishy as they come but I hvae more than enough Alts with high zonal survivability as is

But yeah the draw times on the bow are worrying but what the hell, i die to much I get my scrappers/stalkers

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I always found that sunday/monday are probably the best days for events, although King Of The Hill is running on Sundays now. That's on Test though, so maybe run the event on sunday so the KOTHers can go away for their arena fights and then come back for some Warburg pwnage?

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would certainly alleviate the downtime from arena organising lets say sunday, people can pop in and out then from KOTH

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Could I suggest that you move it to another night when 3vP isn't going on so that those of us taking part can come along as well?

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sure, I had completely forgotton about that wasnt an intentional slight

suggestions for day? friday/sats are usually quiet and bit short notice for wednesday, monday?

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I be interested whoever wont be able to make the start - still afew of us left in 3vp .

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HOWever

Hey all

Have been doing a few PVP days on US test recently and has been a blast and figured theres no reason why we shouldnt do the same here. Test has a low population should be pretty free from lag and best of all there is nothing to worry about as who cares if your test character gets debt.

I propose warburg over RV as more people have alts in that level range and being able to attack your own faction means that one side isnt going to overwhelm the other and heros/villains cant just ride other teams coatails.

I propose having an interserver bash in Warburg on test this thursday (20th) at 8pm **EDIT* not thursday as 3vP still on** so we should ahve this on Sunday 23rd 9PM so the king of the hillers can pop in and out and will be at the end of the double xp event so people can chill after the grind, should guarantee some good numbers.

any interest?