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Know what's worse about that? I wasn't the primary leader for them. Then again I had people with the same problem on the TPN trials, Keyes trials, DD trials, MoM trials, BAF trials (especially BAFs), and even Magisterium farms I've led.

I've even had to ask players to not "drown out" the league leader's instructions last night on a Magisterium badge run.

This might have been the wrong question to ask after a few weeks of me being on Magisterium badge attempts.

First and foremost: I wish some people knew how to SHUT THE FUDGE UP when the league leader is trying to direct the trial, especially a badge run or when they are directly contradicting what the league leader has said/is saying.

Second: Even though you might disagree with the instructions, follow them. If you have a problem with the instructions, send the leader a tell or talk to them before or after the trial. Just don't try to run roughshod over the leadership during the trial.

2a) Have Request, Leaguechat, Broadcast, and Team channels visible or you might miss something critical.

I'm pretty sure that both the Issue 23 patch notes and my "Consolidated Issue 23 Badge Info" thread addressed this:

This only if solo...

The great escape is good (as stated), and if I recall correctly the Sutter TF has a fairly decent supply in the area before Fusion & Tremblor.

That is also part of the problem. Atlas Park is a major hub zone. Port Oakes isn't, and it isn't even the start zone. About the only thing to recommend Port Oakes is that it is a level 10-15 zone so putting the SG Registrar is somewhat more level appropriate as compared with Atlas Park.

This isn't strictly true... You can get a few vanguard merits (very few, as in 1 in 10) on a MS Raid without joining Vanguard. Then again the intro mission is short enough so do it anyway.

Nope, not about -you-, or PrincessDarkstar either.

I was pointing out that you can find aspects of Incarnate Trials throughout the game, nothing more. You wanted to take it farther.

You are the one assuming what you said here. I believe I was clear that there are timed missions in the 1-50 game. I never assume experience (unlike your assertion that "The timed missions in the regular 1-50 game might as well not be timed at all. 60-90 minutes is about 5-10x more time than is needed by any experienced player, i.e., a player who is experienced with the basic CoX game mechanics but has never done that particular mission before.").

Also if you fail a timed 1-50 mission once, you generally don't get a second chance at it and just because you've bypassed them many times, doesn't mean that everyone has.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

Exactly what content is "locked out"?

• The level 1-50 missions? Nope.
• The Incarnate DA missions (arcs or repeatables)? Nope.
• Task/Strike Forces? Nope.
• Non-Incarnate Trials? Nope.
• Incarnate Trials before Magisterium (provided you get enough people)? Nope.
• Magisterium (provided you get enough people)? Nope, you can unlock Lore & Destiny via the DA missions (arcs or repeatables).

So what, exactly, is a person locked out of? Level 50 is the max level, the Incarnate powers are smoke & mirrors.

Again, what content can't you do? You still need a team for level 1-50 TFs/SFs/Trials (and several missions as well). I would suggest that you either tell us what people are locked out of or give up the faulty argument.

Tina Macintyre had a mission, still available in flashback that is 10 minutes:
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Tina_M...in_lab_-_10:00

Already stated Pither's missions:
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Efficiency_Expert_Badge
Steal formula from Crey: 15 Minutes
Kick Longbow out of base: 30 Minutes
Get Info About Malta Group: 30 Minutes
Kidnap Diocletian: 30 Minutes
Beat some sense into Fortunata Iverson (both parts - untimed and timed.): 30 Minutes after you find the information. This is a defeat all, no less.

You were saying?

Hurl, Gloom, and Dark Obliteration 6 slotted with level 50 range IOs will get to 136 feet.

140.6 Feet, with the above.

152 Feet, with all of the above.

Clarion really gives the best value: 216 Feet, with all of the above.

Hurl, Gloom, and Dark Obliteration 3 slotted with level 50+0 range IOs and Clarion Radial Epiphany: 190.8 Feet.

Edit:
Funny enough, an UNSLOTTED 80' blast (Hurl, Gloom, and Dark Obliteration for a SS/Fire/Soul Brute) + Clarion Radial Epiphany + Cardiac Core Paragon = 160 feet.

Some Cardiac and Intuition Alphas can also help a lot with +range as well.

Tier 4 Cryonic judgments have a really long range (especially combined with Cardiac/Intuition).

Clarion Radial Destiny powers have a range boost.

The rewards (HOs) were character progress at the time.

There are numerous timed missions throughout the game, and allow you to fail them. So that isn't anything new.

Abandoned Sewer Trial: Timed (I've actually seen it fail due to time running out), and unusual mechanics(hydra shields).

Caverns of Transcendence: Timed, 8-click test.

Incarnate trial mechanics are also slowly being ported to the rest of the game. It is a two way street.

Take a look at the Efficiency Expert Badge:
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Efficiency_Expert_Badge

5 timed missions have to be completed and you only get one chance to get the badge (the missions are NOT in flashback). It was introduced in Issue 7. At least with Incarnate Trials, if you miss the badge on one run, you can always try get it later.

You can fail any number of badges, take any of the "Master of" badges for:

• STF
• RSF
• Khan
• Cuda
• ITF
• Apex
• Tin Mage

Or Apex, trial respecs, or the list goes on. So you can't use that as an excuse.

The Abandoned Sewer Trial (AST), MS Raid, Hami Raids, and the 'Cuda SF have special rules attached to them. The AST you need to know not to try to get both guns (not explained), you need to know to bring down the shield generators at the same time (not explained), and what each gun is used for is as clearly explained as the Incarnate Trials. Actually the Incarnate Trials are better explained than the AST, as the help window has tips for each section.

A specific power in the 'Cuda SF disagrees with you:
Edit:
And this:
It seems that you agree that if one person "forgets to use their temp power" that it is a problem.

No, it isn't. The last time it was patched (January), the Fog of War was supposed to be stable.

Oh, and it is supposed to be stored server-side, not locally.

Seriously... Tell that to a Hami Raid leader... They'll laugh you out of the game. This statement shows that you clearly don't understand how a Hami raid works (either before or after Issue 9).

More to the point, you clearly don't know how Incarnate trials work either. There are only a few points where missing a badge will lose the rewards for a whole trial, and that is only if the leader doesn't know enough to adjust tactics before the fail point. Then again, that is where experience leading a trial shines: an experienced trial leader can adjust their tactics (provided players follow the tactics change).

In this respect, trials are more dynamic than other content.

Because now Hami Raid leaders know how to deal with what happens when someone does mess up.

You don't know the first thing about what you are ranting against. Just for the record, it took Triumph 9 months to find a way to run a completely inclusive Hami Raid after issue 9. Before that Triumph was running nightly Hami raids (I was doing them almost nightly during Issues 6 to 9, not being the overall leader, but a lot of time being the drop group leader).

How did the pre-Issue 9 Hami Raid work?

• A hami drop team consisting of Illusionists and a couple support (group fly, speed buffs) dropped decoys on the core of Hami.
• A taunt team consisting of a tank and 7 healers to keep the tank alive.
• Everyone else on mitos, with at least 1 force field toon for mez protection.
• Once the mitos were defeated, everyone gathered around the core and, while targeting through pets, attacked Hami. At certain points various accolade buffs were called for, because if Hami wasn't defeated in a certain amount of time, 1 mito for every player nearby spawned. This was called a mito-bloom.

Sounds pretty similar to Incarnate Trials, huh? By the way, it allowed around 150 (or more) players to participate. And it generally took around 2 hours to do.

Post Issue 9 Hami Raids had several changes:

• 50 player limit.
• Mito changes.
• 3 mini-blooms of mitos.
• Having to defeat a number of Monsters to spawn Hami and to collect the inspirations.
• No need for a drop team (besides Hami being able to kill decoys).

STF: That is why I still see some of these fail with PUGs
ITF: That is why I still see some of these fail with PUGs
KHTF: Well after the developers have gutted the rewards and nerfed the trial, this isn't being run very much.
LRSF: Still has a good chance of failure if you don't have a good group.
Mother Ship Raid: Wildly different experiences, depending on league composition.
Hamidon Raid - both the pre i9 and post i9: See the Hami Raid info above.
Abandoned Sewer Trial: You haven't done those either, huh? Not talking about DFB, but the high level trial. You most certainly need different tactics to get past the last battle. With the shields/respawning rikti.

Not mentioned by I Burnt The Toast:
Cuda Strike Force: You need specific ATs, and you need special tactics for the battle with Riechsman thanks to the temp powers. Or you can play the delaying game and wait out the ambushes (about 45 minutes each) to "avoid" death.

Actually, until Issue 9, it was. The only way, outside of smuggling SHOs from LRSF to get HOs blueside was doing a Hami Raid. They were just as needed for progress as IO Sets ever were.

I agree. Besides, you get to take a break from cat-herding.

I'm vindicated for not betting against Arcanaville. She'd likely get me to hand-pick a league to get that last Underground badge for her.

Using the same excuse too many times tends to expose that excuse.

Quite a lot, actually. If not, also try right-clicking and selecting "more info" would also work. Or ask someone.

Again, you are misrepresenting what I said, and I find that greatly insulting.

I really don't care if someone is new to a trial I lead or has done it 1,000 times before. I do care if I'm joining a league that the trial leader doesn't know what the heck they are doing. If the trial leader can't put enough effort to find out the basic (and I mean basic) information about a trial, that trial isn't one that I want to join.

Incarnate Trials =/= Regular Task Forces. Not only that, but as a trial leader, you should know enough about the trial so you can actually lead. If you aren't up front with that, you could be wasting someone's time. Potentially 23 other player's time.

See post #39... The post in between your 2 replies to me... The player I was responding to (a) didn't know that info existed in the game, (b) didn't know there was official documentation, and (c) didn't feel like or want to look at a player guide for that information. I'm not sure why you feel the need to say what you did here. Especially when the conversation started with Ukaserex saying that league leaders should know how many players a league need or is limited to. I then said it was a basic check. The person you are trying to defend has openly admitted to not knowing this.

No, I'm talking about players that go "Hey, let's do an ITF?", then sit around for 30 minutes trying to spam channels for interest. When that fails they get fillers (or they door sit on their alt account without disclosing that) and expect to win.

Nope, but then again, I've seen ITFs fail in the last 6 months too.

Unless I know the player, I'm not joining a league that where they don't know what they are doing. Usually that is a sign that I'll get the star before the trial starts, because people know that I know how they are run.

Yes, having a NPC give a proper briefing would be good. I don't think Prometheus would be a good choice though.

I've not seen this happening, as I'm usually one of the people that get roped into leading trials when I'm around.

I feel that way every single time a MoM trial is mentioned in my presence on Triumph.

Even with that experience and an already established reputation as a league leader it is difficult to get players to listen. I speak from experience here.

Actually yes, it is still possible.

• If in a closed league, the leader has kick rights.
• If in an open league, if the leader is well respected and asks for a vote-kick because of someone not following instructions the vote tends to be approved (speaking from my first vote-kick experience).
• If in an open league, if the leader is well respected and has a core group on voice chat, any vote-kick can be ratified fairly seamlessly. It is called stacking the deck. Did I mention that I've been doing most trials with 2-6 players on Skype these days? Oh, sorry...

We're talking 1 funeral for 1 person, right? At least I hope you are. If you are talking about multiple funerals for the same person...

Actually, forget I said anything about this, I don't want to know.