Smiling_Joe

You know, funny you should mention the function keys. In the keybinding section of the game options I bound my temp power tray to F1-F10, thinking I'd just move my fingers up one row and hit those when I swapped forms (I use the top number line instead of the numpad ordinarily)

Didn't work so well for me, but someone else might make use of it.

That has traditionally been my "gold standard" SO build, but you know what? Not a bad thought!

As someone with a near-billion influence triform build and a second human form build with near soft-capped defenses and perma light form, all I can say is:

DO EET!

Damn those instant form shifts, anyway! Just when I thought I was done with Peacebringers they pulled me back in.

I'm currently experimenting with various builds for my lvl 26 peacebringer to see how many ways from Sunday I can leverage instant form shifting, and I can say one thing with certainty:

I need more slots.

So, since I'm not willing to experiment with my Incarnate Peacebringer's builds, the verdict on what build changes to make will have to wait a few levels.

But I'm fairly certain it'll involve more end reduction/recovery than I'm currently accustomed to slotting.

This is what I have in mind, as well. But what name in the bind do you use to refer to the "server tray?"

Oh stop with the histrionics, already. There's a little button on the right hand side of the inspiration window's "grab-bar." Click it - and in so doing detach the inspiration window from the top of your powers tray - and move it somewhere where the offending tray won't interfere with your pointer. I put mine center-bottom, to the left of the power tray.

The bar isn't useful to me at all. I've kept all my tray-swapping binds intact, and in fact having the form powers appear up there sort of interferes with using temps like Quills of Jocasta or Grenades/Acids, because it moves them over when I shift.

Big deal. Adjust. Not too recently I wasn't happy with something done to Peacebringers, and was guilty of a little histrionics myself. I adjusted. So can you.

This kind of zone came to mind.

This. Holy carp this! My wife and I both rolled up staff/sr scrappers, with the thinking that we would let SR do the heavy lifting to the soft-cap and free us up to slot for hp, regen, recharge and/or damage.

But we've completely forgotten to IO out our builds, preferring instead to keep rolling along on our +1x6 missions (been rolling that way since DO's on these). The scrapperlock persists even when not in combat! Starting out in Form of the Body until the end bar gets to about two-thirds gives a nice -res debuff and a res buff to me, then finishing out in Soul or Mind (depending on the amount of slows on us) can make you feel pretty invincible, regardless of your health bar.

How dare you. Has it ever occurred to you that a good majority of the community might like British drama? That maybe - just maybe - the number of British dramas is directly proportional to the number of pledge drives?

Now here you come, wanting to reduce the number of pledge drives, and I can only assume you yourself realize this will all by itself result in fewer British dramas!

You're taking away our choice!

I do agree on more hard science shows though.

EDIT - only after posting does it occur to me exactly why British drama is the devil's work. If the relationship between British drama and pledge drives is directly proportionate, then it's quite clear that British dramas subliminally manipulate us to donate money to the pledge drives!

....it's all so clear now. I redact everything I said.

Okay, I got a real giggle out of the notion of me pulling rank on Evil Geko.

In my defense, it was 6 AM when I started that post and I was just sitting down in my office. Annoyed.

SOME of that might have bled over into that post. Okay, a lot.

I make no apologies for it, however. Annoyed and insulting are two different things, and I don't think I was especially insulting or degrading.

Because Light Form traded some of its resistance in exchange for the reduced recharge, and you might not want to six-slot Light Form to get your resistance AND recharge maxed. Those perma-lf builds can be slot hungry.

Geko's points were wrong. Period. And your post does nothing to refute what I had to say about them.

And it's all well and good to come over here at the twelfth hour to criticize what you see as fanboi defense of a troubled archetype, but if you'd spent more than five minutes over the past year in this forum you'd know I have been one of Peacebringers' harshest critics.

I happen to agree that Peacebringers have to work harder than any archetype in the game to achieve "acceptable" performance. But crap statements like "the original premise of khelds relying on form shifting and team buffs" do little more than muddy the waters and point other members of the community in the wrong directions. How are we going to see any real change if we can't even get the problems with the archetype right?

inw!

Complete rubbish. You're comparing an archetypes with multiple powersets to archetypes that have exactly one primary and one secondary powerset.

Never mind the fact that kheldian powersets have more than nine powers each. OF COURSE some of them are going to be less than synergistic, because you've got ONE powerset that's trying to be as flexible towards playstyles as possible within the boundaries of a single set. If your build lacks synergy then you chose poorly when you chose your powers.



Not having mez protection on a kheldian is a playstyle choice, not a design choice. You want mez protection? You get it at 20 with dwarf. Don't want dwarf? Team with controllers. Kheldians get mez protection. It's the method by which it's gained that gives some players heartburn.

And yes, using dwarf for a breakfree means you toggle off your shields. See what I said above about the number of powers in the set reflecting multiple playstyles. If you chose the shields on a build that shifts forms a lot, you chose poorly. If, on the other hand, you chose the shields on a build that can expect to stay in human form for extended periods (like a human form build with perma light form) congratulations - you know what you're doing.


Wait wait wait. So let me get this straight. Above you ignore the methods for Kheldians getting mez protection when you say they have none, but here you say Doms have mez protection, even though they get it only through filling their domination bar and clicking on a power? Thaaaat can only be made perma with heavy IO investment?

I can't decide if it's a double standard or pure sophistry. I'm going with sophistry.

What Bill said. I'll admit I was one of the most skeptical forumites around when they were talking about the changes, but those changes didn't invalidate the stalker premise. I still play my stalkers as effectively and with the same playstyle as I did before.

You know what? You should have stopped with your crusade against the old MoG. You're usually so well reasoned, so it might not mean much when I say this, but this is by far the dumbest thing I've ever seen you type.

Kheldians don't depend on form shifting, inherent teammate buffs or anything except being flexible. Otherwise human form soloists wouldn't be so prevalent and effective. Kheldians solo AV's, RWZ Pylons, and practically everything else that other archetypes solo. Form shifting and teammates not necessary.

Now, had you debated the effectiveness of that flexibility I'd have had to agree....

...But don't come into the kheldian forums and urinate on the archetype without at least demonstrating some knowledge of the archetype's current condition. Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying you're not smart (aren't you a lawyer or something IRL?) and I'm not saying you don't have a thorough knowledge of the game in general.

I'm saying your knowledge of kheldians appears to be... dated. Possibly because you haven't played your level-capped kheldians in a while.

But it's before sunrise on a Saturday and I've been called in to work. I'm already annoyed and I'm in no mood to mince words. You've added nothing productive to this - or any - discussion on kheldians.

So if you're going to insist on hanging out here, the least you could do is something helpful. Remember back in the day when you demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt the uselessness of the the old MoG? (and gosh I'm hoping I remember correctly that it was you - it is early) If you feel that strongly about khelds then by all means post another epic thread like that.

For my part, removing the cast times from form shifting is a big step in addressing my problems with the viability of the forms, and Hawk is closing the gap between peacebringers and warshades.

I may not agree with his methods, but I have the sense to know when my concerns are being addressed. My disagreement stems from playstyle, vise design, and if the playstyle doesn't match me personally I can always ::glares at TwoHeadedBoy:: go play my Willpower tanker.

But with the removal of shifting times I might have to give my kheldians a spin again. Who knows? I might just have to finance an IO build for my warshade and go turn Mot into a fluffy.

QFT. Best way I've ever heard it put.

Oh, no. You're not sucking me back into spreadsheet hell again. Nope.

But I will say this: if you're going to preserve Photon Seeker's burst damage potential by keeping the explosion, you're going to have a hard time justifying even 45 seconds of sustained dps.

Bear in mind that high recharge builds (That's right. I'm balancing around IO's. If Arbiter Hawk can do it, so can I.) can get the recharge on Seekers down to around a minute.

So it's conceivable that Photon Seekers could give a massive burst, spawn polar lights for a PERMABLE dps boost that would - in combination with the self-destruct burst - leave essences in the dust.

So any polar lights spawned would have to be out for no longer than 30 seconds, and would have to be minion class.

Players comparing Photon Seekers to Unchained Essence is IMHO what's been holding Photon Seekers back all these years. Comparing Unchain Essence to Photon Seekers only works if you disregard the level at which they are taken. At 26 Warshades get a power that effectively clones the damage and effects of the Seekers' self destruct, while Peacebringers have to wait until 32 for that kind of AoE burst damage. What do Peacebringers get at 26? Solar Flare.

If you compare UE to PS, what happens at 32? Warshades get the choice between a nuke and an awesome duplicatable portable blasting fluffie, and Peacebringers get the choice between a nuke and .... nothing.

No. If you're going to compare Unchain Essence to anything, compare it to Solar Flare.

In other words, leave Unchain Essence out of Photon Seekers discussions.

EDIT - Not only that, but I hear the Righteous Brothers every time I read (or use) "Unchain Essence," which was only funny the first 5,476 times. Now it kind of annoys me. Stupid power of suggestion.

AlienOne, you really need to do a Youtube video montage of Unchain Essence against +4x8 spawns with "Unchained Melody" playing in the background. Now that would be funny.

Doo EET!

I find the 35 dps per pet encouraging, provided it holds true under extended analysis. Can you tell if hasten has any effect - it isn't supposed to, but I've read on multiple occasions that the hasten glow that your extracted essence inherits if you have hasten running when summoned isn't just a carryover of the graphic, and my own observations seemed to confirm that fluffies summoned when the warshade is hastened also inherit the buff. I can't vouch for it with confidence, however. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong by a long shot.

What builds are you working with? Will you be posting those with your findings?

Wish I had the time to help, but I don't - however, a demorecord should be sufficient to capture what you need without the need for both of you being in the same mission at the same time...