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I have no problem with it as long as their points are valid. When they have nothing to do with my suggestion, it's flat out annoying!

The whole point of posting a suggestion - for me - is for people to discuss the pro's AND the con's. What can we do with this suggestion, how can we improve it. If I had a final perfect, flawless suggestion I would PM the devs, email them or even snailmail them. ..but flat out bashing for the (youknowwhat) of it - No I don't accept that. That's either stupid or harrassment!

I bet if I hadn't mentioned pvp....
...come to think of it, I don't even wanna play the game anymore! Time to try CO beta! Guess that's what you all want so you can patrol the zones all alone without interference! Yeah, time to make a one man, total-instanced MMO out of this game!

He's explained a lot about his playstyle, how he like patrols, how he like fighting level one's, etc. Why do you chose to falsify and misinterpret anything and everything? Was it because I said pvp? Is that a bad word? Must anyone that use that word be exorcised or something?

[quote]Full of yourself much? Disagreeing with you is NOT the same thing as "not wanting to improve the game".

Additionally, it's highly debatable whether the things you suggest would be seen as an "improvement" by a large number of the players in the game.[/qute]
Chosing to fantasize about what I've proposed or totaly misunderstand it in such a way it's not possible the antagonist ever really read my proposal (so far anyone that's been negative has fallen into this category), well... Yeah! I do get on my high horses when people chose to bash all they can, not even trying to pick any good stuff out of a suggestion, not even bothering to actually read or try to understand what is proposed. So far noone has actually disagreed with me, except Blue Rabbit, becuase you ppl haven't even tried to understand the proposal. You chose to glanse at it and the start bashing because you saw that horrible word: PvP!

IMHO if you can't be bothered to read and respect the OP's ideas don't expect any respect back, in fact - why bother posting since it's totally improductive! Some people just like to argue for the (whatever) of it, I prefer being productive and constructive.

I've already suggested we completely ditch the pvp suggestion. I'm no fan of pvp anyway, but since the devs seems commited to getting more people to pvp I made a suggestion that would NOT include forcing us all to pvp, to still make it a choise, a simple choise that would not interfere in any way with your game unless you so chose. NOT ONE of you bothered to even TRY to understand that possible mechanic and even though I suggested we forget about it ya'll still rant about it! Since noone bothered to actually read up, I still fail to see a single valid point, since you're all talking about something I've never ever suggested. I should choose to laugh at it, but it makes me rather depressed because if this is the way it's gonna be on these new forums, the devs better not listen at all to any of us.

If I could delete this thread or this complete section I would. Gollygoddarnit! I think I might stick to moaning in defiant events. At least Wabbit might offer me some carrot cake. ...and when I moan it's quality valid epic moans!

For crying out loud. All of you, go back and read my proposal and replies! I can't believe how hard it is for you to understand that concept. Do you only see one word: PVP? What's the point in answering, critizising a proposal if you can't even be bothered to read it? Get off your high anti-pvp horses and try to be constructive or at least use valid objections to what I actually proposed! This is totally rediculous!

You completely misunderstand the concept. Some outdoor missions that are instanced in this game take place in existing areas of Steel Canyon, Skyway etc. I'm not proposing new parts to "pop up", i just saying that if you're going to go into a mission to rescue a hostage, fight a boss or click a glowie - why does it have to be in an instance and not in the actual zone? It makes sense when you go to another dimension, but besides that, I'd rather do it in the "real world". I'm not saying we should do it exactly as in lotro or any other game, I'm just saying it works, it works VERY WELL, it's more fun and it makes people feel the game world is alive, real, immersive and an actual part of the game. Patrol missions doesn't, defeat 15 hellions doesn't.

You know what! Two individuals have made me loose ANY interest whatsoever and any respect whatsoever for the playerbase! Critisize is one thing. CONSTRUCTIVE and VALID critisism something completely different! You should try it, you might even like it! We might as well shut this whole section of the forum down! Go play with youself (interpret that in any way you want). With supporters like this, the game don't need enemies!

..and I thought I moaned and whined a lot! I want the old forum back!

Read my suggestion again! We're not talking about "open world" pvp.
Schesus, mention pvp and everyone goes mad!

For the love of whatever deity. I've never ever, NEVER EVER said anything about "yanking it from under me". I can't believe you're still stuck on that! I'm talking about adding stuff, not removing stuff or forcing it upon people. I bet there are contacts/arcs you already choose not to do because you don't like the content? As I've said, I've posted other suggestions about how to make our actions matter (like giving us choises that affect future missions etc). I refuse to repeat myself since thoose posts where rather epic as well.

I strongly feel you're in a minority! Also, FYI, I play villains. We get a few GMs, that's about it. Guess what! Noone cares about them! Getting the badges was fun once! Getting the plaques was annoying even the frist time around. "Defeating" Lusca - I still enjoy it. Even if you're a part of a majority, how can adding stuff be so incredibly bad?

Ok, so forget about the pvp suggestion. How can a charity speed race in skyway or someone beating a boss or clicking a glowie, that's unclickable to you, or perhaps leading a hostage somewhere be bad for you? I seriously can't understand why you're being so upset about this.

Actually that didn't matter at all. Beating any villain, doing anything doesn't affect anything, not even the next mission in the arc. You're actions are completely pointless except they give you drops, xp, inf, prestige, but they do not matter at all. If beating Dr Vahz. actually changed the next mission, and not beating him moved you to a completely different mission, sure. The re-playability of those arcs would increase a lot. Again, I refer you to my old thread. It's all about making us feel involved and increase the (re-)playability.

They're good examples, yeah, but once again there's no reason or benefit from doing good/evil, so people don't bother. I agree there's a fine line, a hard balance act. Make things better when people act, and in some way worse but not too intrusive if good people do nothing while evil happen all around them. Again, It was NEVER EVER about FORCING people, but definitely about giving people more incentive to do good/bad and not just rush off to the next mission.

Wow, I'm beginning to think this is personal for you. What I'm saying is that if you enjoy the game, xp doesn't matter. Sure, you can interpret it the other way around. I DO prefer playing my 50s, but since there's hardly any end-game content I rarely do so. I'm rather famous for my alt-o-holism. Point is, wether you like the game and play it, or you just want a 50 (or ten) - doesn't matter. XP - for me - is a non-issue. Anyway, if you do like the fights, and need/want xp, I can't see why you'd oppose slightly stiffer fights in Atlas that gives some xp. Oh, well, let's not go there again!

For cryin' out loud, we're talking about a small percentage of the missions. I don't like patrol missions, but the few I encounter I do within minutes or autocomplete. If you weren't so upset, your post would amuse me since you seem to think I want to change the game completely. I'm talking about a small addition to the game mechanics. To me it would make the game a whole lot more enjoyable, while you could easily skip it.

As for the hami-raids. Agreed I can only speak for the EU people, but it was a major community event and quite often it seemed like more than half the servers showed up. The mothership raids every sunday on Defiant is another fine example. Personally I can't stand that raid due to how it's constructed nowadays, but it's another great community event. A LOT of people show up not because the raid itself, but because they enjoy that community feeling. Same thing with the hamiraid, the actual raid itself was pretty much run on autopilot but there's no doubt people enjoyed it. Those that didn't, well noone ever forced them to take part of it. Same with my suggestions. Noone's forcing you to do that part of the content. If you still think so, either you're misunderstanding me on a graaand scale or you're just determined to continue for the heck of it. Also it was a suggestion, not a complete, finished fine-tuned proposal and the point of posting it was for people to improve it.

It's easy to find faults and problems, but you seem determined to not improve the game, just keep it as it is? I guess you and the other two can keep the servers to youself and solo your heart out then...

Ok, now YOU ARE arguing just to annoy me! Instanced OUTDOOR MISSIONS!!!! FFS, if you're going to argue about how bad my idea is at least STICK TO THE IDEA, not you're wild hateful imagination, man! What the heck did I ever do to you to make you so upset you're fabricating wild fantasies? I didn't even say ALL instanced outdoor missions should take place in the "real" world. I sort of hoped people would discuss how many we could have before people considered then intrusive and annoying instead of stimulating and fun. Just to retaliate since you're obviously taking this personally, I find the instanced indoor missions to generally be stupid beyong imagination. What sort of architect would make offices like that?

Another good example of how you CHOSE to misinterpret. Again, we're talking about a handful of the current instanced outdoor missions. Just like other missions you don't like you'd be able to either autocomplete or avoid those few arcs. Or just quickly run/jump/fly to the glowie/hostage/whatever and complete the mission goal. We're not talking about the typical old-style stupid hero "defeat-all" missions! Oh, guess you actually like them too.

That would requre one side to hang around hoping for someone on the other side to join, ergo my suggestion where you would see the channel message, run off to the deserted useless corner of the zone if you wanted. Let's face it, just because you, ONE PERSON, still enjoy running around the zones, doesn't imply others do. Most zones are completely empty, bar the people moving to and from missions or hanging around one or more central points like the station, the MA, TF contacts etc. I still fail to see how a small patch of IP or Nerva turning into a zone where one, possibly eight villains run aruond probably hoping no heroes would mind them can possibly interfere with your (imho unusual) playstyle. But sure, ok, let's forget the pvp part. Imho we could as well kill the ded duck that is pvp, although the devs seem determined to try to get people to pvp more. Again, have you tried the pvp zones? How often are you "forced" into pvp even in them? I might be speaking for the EU servers only, but I've never ever been attacked in Warburg or BB without actually agreeing first, bar the first few weeks of Warburg when everyone had a lot of fun there.

Actually I think you ARE doing just that, since I haven't been talking about removing anything for anyone. I guess you still dislike inventions and invention sets? How about I16? Ohgod, Pink Imps! Banish!!! You seem to be absolutely determined to twist my suggestion into something it never was just to keep the game just as it is, a five year old, ageing old-style game. I still love the game, I want to recognize it and feel familiar with it, but I want new stuff too. New story content - a lot of it, new game mechanics, updated graphics engine (not neccessarily meaning more demanding, just updated) etc. I don't want the game frozen or rewinded back to I3 and I'm not content with more power proliferation or "new" powersets. I'm not interested in making a new d00m post, but the game needs all it's players and more new players. It needs you AND me.

May I suggest you read my suggestion again, with open eyes, remember it's an early draft suggestion that can be improved and that I have no intention or interest in ruining your game experience. Why not come with some positive suggestions on how it could be done, or how to make "my kind of people" interested in re-subscribing? I think we agree on more that we disagree really.

Again...
The pvp part was one example, a possibility, with actual in-zone missions. I expected people to react to it, but not to think it was THE MAIN point of my proposal. And how many think people would rush to defend the IP bank really? It's like the old EU PvP zone grinds, you never even come across anyone bothering you when you're getting shivans or nukes, you could usually - you can still usually - grind in RV without anyone bothering you.

It was ONE of THREE suggestions, and I still believe it would spice up the game a bit. Heroes could avoid it totally and with a change to the papers, so could villains. (And I agree, villains should get hero-style new contact introductions from Kalinda and on so we can skip them totally)

A level one enemy has hardly any powers. Problem taken care of! Higher level foes have more powers etc. Good example is the event GMs that's basically boring in Mercy, but good fun in Grandville. It would also make sense for you to actually help defend the city - yeah RP argument and it sikkens me, but still valid. Another example is how you level down when you do ouroboros missions. With trays full of insps, invention sets etc those low levels aren't quite easy. Imagine doing them with all your powers as well and I hope you agree it's not really a problem.

Well, I play on EU servers with completely empty zones, noone care about noone except ppl on global channels that know each other, basically. The zones are big wastelands of complete..waste of time travelling from one instance to another. Complete waste of time, HDD space and dev time.

Yeah, I kind of expected people to get upset about it!
Well, I'm definitely no fan of pvp in this game. it was a suggestion on how to make the game more alive because as a world if feels flat, dead, broken, useless.

But the zones are absolutely diddle-doodle useless and pointless. Might as well just be chat rooms and a tp to the next mission because the serve no purpose whatsoever.

I had a long rant on another thread about how our actions mean nothing. Whatever we do, nothing changes, except the RV graphics when you take a pillbox. This was another suggestion on how to make us feel our actions matter. You're welcome to search for the original thread.

Um, no you can't! You have to enter the mission and exit. I returned to that question later in the post, guess you missed it.

Agree with the rikti invasions because the cause serverwide lag on the EU servers. Again, we're talking about a veeery small part of a city zone going hot. It's one part of my suggestion, and I think a lot of people would concider the game more "alive".

Wow, you're upset, aren't you, marking words/timeline like that. Excuse me for not being overly clear about safeguards being put in later. I still described it correctly. As it is CoH IS DESIGNED so you don't need to do safeguards. Why it's still like that, because the devs didn't wanna change original code or because heroes would get upset doesn't matter to me in this case. It's totally irrelevant, but if it gets on your nerves, fine, you cleared that up for everyone. Good boy!

lol! First of all, if you've tried some of the other games that has open quests, xp isn't really a problem. In this game it's even less of a problem. I'm surprised (well, LMAO) that anyone really cares about xp anymore.

It wasn't my main argument, and I suggested several new ideas, I just pointed out that other games with in-zone, non-instanced action is a whole lot more alive and fun as a community. Might I remind you of old hamiraids. You probably didn't like them, but I and most others LOVED them!

Ok, calm down now: I NEVER EVER said we'd FORCE people into pvp so for effin's sake, calm down!

Well, by now you're probably even more upset, but we pretty much agree. I'm suggesting more game mechanics, but you could still play your game the way you do. There would be some previously instanced missions that would be in the open in skyway, steel etc, but... Is there about 20 of them total? You would hardly notice and would probably still be more annoyed with the silly "patrol IP" missions than these. As for PVP, I hope I've made it clear that it would really only affect those interested in taking a shot at it. Most zones are HUGE compared to the little square that would be the actual "mayhem" and as long as the servers can handle it, the only thing affecting you would be a message in the event channel and some shiny on your map. You could probably run through it without any travel power and still not be hit by anything.

As I said above this is basically a continued proposal from another EU thread about how to make us excited about the game again, feel like it all matters. When you've been here a few years (esp for us on the villan side) it's all getting a bit toooo familiar, well... honestly... quite boring. I stay in the game because I've invested time and money into it and because I've made a lot of friends I enjoy playing with, but the game can't stay alive on us enjoying the company. I - at least - need something new and shiny, and I'd prefer it'd be in my old friend CoV so I can keep my lovely 50s.

Wow, You've never done a mayhem/safeguard have you, or even read my suggestion? It's A PART (it's actually a very small part) of the zone, not the whole actual zone. As I said, choosing the location for outdoor missions will take some brainstorming. Also, how many outdoor instanced missions are there at the moment, that takes place within "this dimension" (not counting Shadow Shard, praetorian earth, Naylors & TV missions etc)?

..but your statement makes pretty clear that in this game, it's totally impossible to "force" anyone into a pvp-possible situation without someone going totally nuts!

Now... the pvp part is the part I care least about, but outdoor missions actually happening on the city maps instead of inside instances works very well in other games without people "waiting for another team to finish" or anything like that. Personally I see no reason why mayhems etc couldn't be done as well although it would be some serious work for the devs and some people would have objections to it because they prefer a static game that preferably doesn't evolve at all.