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If my daughter starts crying while I'm in the middle of 16 elite bosses or if I'm hungry and I want to go make a sandwich, I can. You?
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Yup. I work at home and play between calls and am afk alot. Not sure why you would want to have the aggro cap of EBs since they give the same inf as bosses (in AE anyway but that is the only place you will see that many in once spot). You seem to want to make things harder than they have to be.
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hey, Smuphy fanboi, it was a figure of speech. -
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I'm sorry. I was under the impression that we were trying to help the original poster decide on what was best at killing things as fast as possible. I got this impression because he said...
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I have a great single target DM/WP brute, but sometimes you want to get on a team and farm something or just generally walk into a pile of foes and have them die.
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People really try to make it harder on themselves? I personally like to walk into every mob with the feeling that I'm completely unstopable. If my daughter starts crying while I'm in the middle of 16 elite bosses or if I'm hungry and I want to go make a sandwich, I can. You?
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Of course I can. I walk away all the time. People are trying to make the killing go faster. That's the goal. We want more dead stuff. If you want easier but less dead stuff go Stone. I actually prefer it to be harder. The harder stuff is more fun, interesting and engaging to me.
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and that's why I stated ss/stone armor for boss farming.
Ss/fa and ss/sd for everything else. We got off on a tangent.
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Just for the record my stone armor brute is 7 seconds away from perma hasten... While in granite form.. Runs faster than damn near everyone while in granite. (of course ss is faster) ... I have a simple macro that combines everything into reds and that plus my double rage, in almost always at damage cap... Not to mention the near perma hasten again... So I can damage as good as the rest of them... I'm done with the argument... Apparently none of you have an IO'd out SA. Go do some research in mids. Ciao.
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Double Rage is generally a bad idea on Brutes. Why don't you eat all those reds and not crash every 60 seconds?
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Please run us some Herostats on you soloing you Stone Armor Brute. I would love to see some actual data to compare to.
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I skip rage all together when fighting the average mob because I get a steady supply of inspirations. Obviously I don't receive as many inspirations when fighting all bosses + because they don't die as quickly. So in certain situations I use all inspirations, rage plus inspirations, and sometimes double rage. Depends.
I won't be running hero stats because I'm not trying to prove anything other than survivability against tougher opponents that aren't Made specifically for my character. I have no doubt that your ss/fa brute is faster and better suited to fight premade fire enemies.
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I'd be happy to show data on my Brutes, plural, against many enemies on many mapsLike Battle For Television, The Snake Boss map in Mercy, the Nemesis Platform in the Black Scorpion Arc or virtually any other Developer made non-AE story arc map
My point being that any Brute, driven by an experienced and skilled player, can handle any content in City of Heroes. There is no need burden yourself with the penalties of Stone Armor. However, if a player prefers to have the burdens of Stone Armor to make it easier for them that is understandable.
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no doubt you can handle non ae stories. No need to point out your player skills, I'm sure you are very skilled. I think you have missed my point.
I do prefer to make it easier on myself, because the burdens of stone armor have been negated. Just as I have said. That's what IO's are for.
People really try to make it harder on themselves? I personally like to walk into every mob with the feeling that I'm completely unstopable. If my daughter starts crying while I'm in the middle of 16 elite bosses or if I'm hungry and I want to go make a sandwich, I can. You? -
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Just for the record my stone armor brute is 7 seconds away from perma hasten... While in granite form.. Runs faster than damn near everyone while in granite. (of course ss is faster) ... I have a simple macro that combines everything into reds and that plus my double rage, in almost always at damage cap... Not to mention the near perma hasten again... So I can damage as good as the rest of them... I'm done with the argument... Apparently none of you have an IO'd out SA. Go do some research in mids. Ciao.
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Might I see your build? So far I have yet to come up with a build in Mids for SA that I liked. I'm intrigued.
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I'll be happy to post my build a little later. I'm on my trusty iPhone. To get a general idea however, just go to the brute guides section. He is almost a complete copy of one of the builds. -
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Just for the record my stone armor brute is 7 seconds away from perma hasten... While in granite form.. Runs faster than damn near everyone while in granite. (of course ss is faster) ... I have a simple macro that combines everything into reds and that plus my double rage, in almost always at damage cap... Not to mention the near perma hasten again... So I can damage as good as the rest of them... I'm done with the argument... Apparently none of you have an IO'd out SA. Go do some research in mids. Ciao.
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Double Rage is generally a bad idea on Brutes. Why don't you eat all those reds and not crash every 60 seconds?
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Please run us some Herostats on you soloing you Stone Armor Brute. I would love to see some actual data to compare to.
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I skip rage all together when fighting the average mob because I get a steady supply of inspirations. Obviously I don't receive as many inspirations when fighting all bosses + because they don't die as quickly. So in certain situations I use all inspirations, rage plus inspirations, and sometimes double rage. Depends.
I won't be running hero stats because I'm not trying to prove anything other than survivability against tougher opponents that aren't Made specifically for my character. I have no doubt that your ss/fa brute is faster and better suited to fight premade fire enemies. -
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no doubting the survivability of /stone, that is its redeeming quality.
but beyond special cases (ie. an all AV map) i would say that ss/sd is the best AoE brute.
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One point in your favor... Stone armor looks like $hit.. You win!
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Just for the record my stone armor brute is 7 seconds away from perma hasten... While in granite form.. Runs faster than damn near everyone while in granite. (of course ss is faster) ... I have a simple macro that combines everything into reds and that plus my double rage, in almost always at damage cap... Not to mention the near perma hasten again... So I can damage as good as the rest of them... I'm done with the argument... Apparently none of you have an IO'd out SA. Go do some research in mids. Ciao.
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This is in reply to a couple of post. Sure you can use fire enemies for your fire armor brute... Sure you can spend billions on your willpower, reflexes, electric, shield, etc.. NOTHING can take all of it and eat a sandwich except stone armor when it comes to boss spawns, period! If you can build ANYTHING with unlimited influence that can stand multiple boss spawns of different varieties spawned for 8 at lvl 54, than I dare you to try! Stone armor can negate ALL penalties and run an all elite boss map if he so chooses. Possibly even an all AV map. Therefore I stand by my claim, stone armor for BOSS spawns. Run whatever you wish for LT's, I'm sure SS/FA owns them.. I'm positive my ss/shield does.
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Best farm or AOE brute for boss spawns would be SS/SA. IO'd out, they are unstoppable!
Best farm or AOE brute for LT's is either SS/SD or SS/FA. I've never seen a good SS/FA but I have a fully IO'd out SS/SD and he absolutely murders LT's!
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You could take your Fire Armor Brute against Fire Blast bosses. Then you'd be equally unstoppable, have more damage tools and not have the penalties of Granite.
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True, however AE centric it may be. For a more diverse and unstopable boss killer, I vote stone armor. Granites penalties are easily nullified with some nice IO's. -
Best farm or AOE brute for boss spawns would be SS/SA. IO'd out, they are unstoppable!
Best farm or AOE brute for LT's is either SS/SD or SS/FA. I've never seen a good SS/FA but I have a fully IO'd out SS/SD and he absolutely murders LT's! -
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I think I would get rid of tough and weave and just use stealth and invisibility. Drop a couple luck of the gamblers in them.
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You use that for PvP? I thought we needed stealth and tactics... I'm new to PvP, but am I missing something? I also hear that phase shift is good.
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Hi, im kinda new to stalker but im looking to do some pvp.
Ive decided to try dark melee / regeneration.
normally i look for some sample builds so i can edit and modify to my liking but i dont see any that are up to date.
So if anyone would mind giving me a mids sample build id appreciate it. It can be extremly expensive as influence isnt an issue. Got a good farmer....
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One other quick point about rage and ss/sd... I'm killing things so quick I don't even need rage with all the red inspirations I earn. The ss/sd guide shows a great way to combine inspirations into reds.
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I'd love to roll an SS/SD but if they change Rage to have the -20% defense penalty, that's gonna hurt.
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Well my ss/sa completely owns everything. Runs faster than most while in granite form.. Can walk into a huge mob of bosses then go make a sandwich... Only a few seconds away from permanent hasten and that's while in granite form.. His defenses, resistances, and regeneration make him damn near unstopable.
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So you can't add any hami's or anything either?
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Sample Level 50 Build - VERY Expensive (My current build) [3 billion+]
160% recharge, Defense Capped. The two empty slots in deflection are:
Gladiator's Armor: Resistance
Gladiator's Armor: Teleportation Protection, +Def(All)
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]
Level 50 Natural Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(5), T'Death-Dam%:40(7)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(7), LkGmblr-Def:50(9), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(11), Empty(13), Empty(40)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(9), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(11), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg:50(23)
Level 4: True Grit -- Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(A), Mrcl-Heal:40(13), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx:40(15)
Level 6: Boxing -- Amaze-EndRdx/Stun:50(A), Amaze-Stun:50(21), Amaze-Stun/Rchg:50(37), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg:50(40), Amaze-Acc/Rchg:50(40)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- Hectmb-Dmg:50(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(17), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(17), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(19), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx:50(19)
Level 10: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(21)
Level 14: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A), Numna-Heal:50(15), Numna-Heal/EndRdx:50(43), RgnTis-Regen+:30(48)
Level 16: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 18: Rage -- GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(23), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(25), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:50(25), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:50(29), GSFC-Build%:50(31)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(27), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(27), P'Shift-End%:50(42)
Level 22: Active Defense -- HO:Cyto(A)
Level 24: Phalanx Fighting -- DefBuff-I:50(A)
Level 26: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(29)
Level 28: Haymaker -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:50(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg:50(34), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(39), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(39), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(39)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(31), LkGmblr-Def:50(31), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(43)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Armgdn-Dmg:50(33), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(33), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(34), FrcFbk-Rechg%:50(34)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(37), Oblit-%Dam:50(37)
Level 38: Grant Cover -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 41: Electrifying Fences -- Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(42), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(42), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(43), Posi-Dam%:50(46)
Level 44: Ball Lightning -- Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Posi-Dmg/Rng:50(45), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(46), Ragnrk-Knock%:50(46)
Level 47: Tough -- TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam:50(48), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(48)
Level 49: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(50), LkGmblr-Def:50(50), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Heal(A)
Level 1: Fury
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ok well i looked at your build and im not impressed. im not trying to be rude either.
none of your defenses are capped unless you have someone within range of you for phalanax fighting. and they have to be within 8 feet of you.. so pretty close. so solo, you will not be capped. Your AOE defense isnt capped either way.. even with phalanax fighting.
you basically wasted 4 slots on boxing in my opinion.. sure you get the 10% recharge and 4% recovery.. but if you simply put a ragnarok set in your electric fences or ball lightning.. you would only lose 3.75% recharge.. and you could use those extra 4 slots on much better things. like an extra slot for the pancea in health. an extra blessing of the zepher or two to bring up your AOE defense. You could also change your tough power to aegis.
anyway, thank you for the guide! I love my SS/SD! Im about to test out your binds.. good thinking for the inspirations!