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Actually, I do remember an end discount, come to think of it. It wasn't, however, specific to Tankers. When ED hit, a global end discount was given to everyone* to compensate for the fact attacks did less damage and they had less recovery (no more 6 slotted Stamina). (Of course, ED also means more people would actually put end reducs in their attacks, but that's beside the point.) It was in response to ED, rather than Tankers specifically needing help.

* I seem to remember Arcanaville saying that Blasters were already set at the same level everyone else was dropped to, but I don't have any knowledge of that myself.

Oh, I know what the bug is, I was just saying at release the spawns would've been unusually nasty because of that bug.

It's been a while since I've stepped into AE, but last I checked, mobs didn't use BU like powers unless they were aggroed, then it wasn't a guarantee they'd use it before an attack.

I'm not saying that the mobs wouldn't be stupid hard or that they wouldn't wipe the floor with "normal" players, mind you. I'm just nitpicking, sorry.

I don't recall Tankers ever getting an endurance discount due to having a lower damage scalar. A *long* time ago their damage was buffed from ~0.65 to 0.8, effectively raising their DPE, but their end wasn't cut.

(If someone can point me towards proof to the contrary, I'll freely accept it.)

Well, to be fair, Hide was bugged to hell and back.

And I never get caught!

Sadly, work ate up most of the day. Tomorrow, though, I plan on seeing Avatar (at imax) with some friends.

I'll quote you on that!

Those cats are in my cake, eating it before me. That's it, I'm putting it through the wormhole now!

Indeed! That was a lot of fun. Hopefully I'll be able to go again next year.

Right, I never said that Brutes weren't better at dealing damage than a Tank, I was merely pointing out that a Tanker does have a higher damage mod than a Brute for the sake of accuracy, not because I thought you were trying to be deceptive, or anything.

Yes, all other things being equal, the Brute will deal more damage than a Tank. I agree, and that should be how it is. (I think giving Brutes the 90% res cap was a mistake.)

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Actually, Brutes' base damage is lower than Tanks. Tanker base damage is 0.8 while a Brute sits at 0.75. Pretty minor, but it is indeed lower. A Brute needs ~6.5% Fury to equal Tanker base damage.

Ahah! That makes a lot of sense. I personally much prefer RttC (since I do more PvEing than PvP), but your reasoning makes sense. Curiosity sated, thanks!

You made a little oversight in your calculation - you assumed that Reconstruction is a 50% heal. Reconstruction is only a 50% heal versus base hp. WP sports HPT, which is a +30% maxhp buff. Since Reconstruction doesn't scale up as maxhp rises and regen does, Reconstruction's average regen drops from ~400% to ~308%. That only requires 2.3 mobs in range to break even.

Excuse the thread tangent, but you're the first person I've ever heard of say that. May I ask why you wish Scrappers had Recon instead of RttC?

The actual values of the armors may be the same, but having 89%/80% the base hp of Scrappers/Brutes and ~66.9%/50% the maxhp is a very large decrease in survivability. There are two problems caused by this.

First, since Stalker base hp (~1200) is so close to their cap (~1606) it means +maxhp buffs are easily trivialized. A Stalker with Accolades can only get around +14% more maxhp before they cap. This means powers like DP, HPT, and Overload don't yield nearly the benefit they do on the other ATs.

Second, it means Stalkers are much more susceptible to burst damage. Stalkers tend to favor defense oriented sets where their biggest danger is spike damage. If you dodge 90% of what comes your way, but can't take two consecutive hits (hyperbole) - someone who can dodge 90% of attacks but can survive 3 to 4 consecutive hits is a large survivability jump.

At any rate, there have been defensive set changes - for example, WP losing RttC in favor of Reconstruction.

Stalkers have a lower base damage mod than a Scrapper (1.0 vs 1.125), but they do have a higher crit rate. I'm just mentioning it because it's technically not exactly the same.

Yes and no. You're correct in saying that if a character can hold aggro and not die, then you don't need more survivability. On the other hand, if you survive every fight by the skin of your teeth, it means that if anything deviates from the norm, things will go south really quick. One spawn may be fine, but if two are too close to one another? What if there is an ambush? A spawn with more bosses than usual? A 'tank' that is just barely making by will likely die while one with some reserve will handle it much better.

Now, if you're on a buffer overrun team it's very possible a Brute will have excess of what they need. However, there is a place for having more than the bare minimum.

Yet people hate corpse blasting.

Let me reiterate that we don't know all the changes that are coming with GR, so any assumptions made now are premature. There could be powers/abilities given to certain ATs that make them more desirable. There could be a much different design philosophy compared to before. Another possibility is direct changes to ATs as they extist now. (Maybe Brutes will have lower taunt duration mods, for example.)

Until we know more, we can't make educated decisions about how things will work in Going Rogue.

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Oh Bill Z, to answer your question, yes, I'm looking forward to it. I wish I didn't have to wait so long to learn more info, though.

That's not even mentioning the fact that Scrappers start with a 50% higher base damage mod than Brutes. Scrappers would be basically double dipping for benefits.

Also, Castle toned down Greater Fire Sword when it was ported to Scrappers (he forgot to adjust the rech/end costs, though) , so that's probably the upper threshold for damage in a single hit he wants to give Scrappers.

Too easy to get? Absolutely.

Too powerful? I'm not so sure. It's great because everyone can hit the same 90% mitigation mark, avoid secondary effects, etc... However, the RNG not going your way can still get you killed, not to mention autohit powers, large tohit buffs, cascade def failure, etc.

I don't remember people saying that def was overpowered before IOs. I think it's just a function of how easy it is to get large amounts of it.

Agreed. I have yet to find a Brute combo that does anything for me, but I don't deny their potential. (To be fair, I haven't done much searching recently.)

Thing is, not all teams can do that. There is something to be said about being resilient without relying on specific buffs to stay upright.

Besides, the doom is a bit premature. I believe at Comic-Con there was a CoX panel where Posi said one of the things on their plate was giving us the ability to make "stronger level 50s, with challenges that make existing content look like a piece of cake" (paraphrased). You could make a lot of theories off of that statement.

Too many unknowns at this point.

Actually, if I recall correctly, you'd have to not only prove it was better than the situation now, but prove there is basically no other option to fix the situation.

By all means, feel free to pursue that line. I'm just letting you know it is going to be extremely hard to win.

The problem with this suggestion is it runs face first into the "Cottage Rule."

I'm just going to take this one, since the others have been handled pretty well. Aid Self for WP (in PvE) is a poor option. There are several reasons for this:

*) The heal strength is based off your base hp. It is a 20% heal unenhanced, so it will always heal ~267.6 hp (unenhanced) even when you can have a max greater than 2000. In other words, it doesn't scale. (This is also why green inspirations are one of the worst for WP.)

*) Speaking of scaling, Tough/Weave is a much better combo to get for WP because of this. Mitigation in CoX scales nonlinearly. As you approach 45% def or 75%/90% res, each point increases your survivability more than the previous point. So you'll notice a big difference adding Tough/Weave onto your already decent res/def base. (It's also why lucks are better than greens most of the time. I only keep 1-3 greens for emergency situations where I'll die if I don't heal now.)

*) Unlike Tough/Weave, Aid Self is active, requiring you to slow down / stop attacking in order to use it. Considering the survivability it offers is equal / lower than Tough / Weave, I don't think it's worth the offense hit.


Note: My experience with WP comes from Tanks.

Technically, you can earn the HVAS just by killing Rikti, no raid required. Granted, doing a raid is the fastest way to earn one.

May I inquire what kind of Corruptor you have? I don't have many villains (I do have a 50 Dark Blast/Rad Corruptor, though), but I've played a fair share of support characters, so far I think they could all solo most EBs with a tray of insps, but without Shivans/HVAS. (My Sonic/Elec would no doubt be the weakest at it.) My Dark Miasma / Rad Defender was able to take out Anti-Matter, despite his def debuffs and stuns (Cosmic Burst) using just inspirations.

Could they take out Noferatu using just inspirations? That I'm not sure about, but I'm somewhat surprised that you needed a pet for every AV post 40, villain side. (To be fair, I haven't seen all the 40+ villain content.)


[edit: Btw, I mentioned Shivans/HVAS not as the end all solution, just another solution to add to the pool.]

There is also the option to drop Shivans and/or HVAS on them, as well. Defenders in particular will turn those pets into killing machines.

I can't verify this in game, but I don't think Mud Pots got nerfed at all. If it's anything like the Tanker / Brute versions, then Dominator Mud Pots has an identical radius of 8 ft. Small, yes. Nerfed? Nope.

The Regen Tissue proc (as well as the Numina / Miracle procs) will pretty much always be active in PvP if they're slotted in a passive or toggle. Every 10s when either are active (toggle/passive) the proc refreshes the duration to 120s.

While purely defensive toggles like Integration suppress when held, the only way for it to cause the proc to fall off is to be held for two minutes straight (the proc duration). Otherwise, even a split second of activity would allow a tick through to reset the duration to 120s. Considering there is hold/cc suppression this is impossible.

I'd place it in the power that has the highest heal enhancement, since that enhances the proc's +regen value.

There is no good way**. The main problem is the text/spaces within the [code] tag isn't static - it will vary depending on the font you're viewing. For example, if you zoom in (ctl + in FF) the table will look different compared to when you zoom out (ctl - in FF). It's obnoxious as hell.

It was something I did bring up when talking with Ocho at HeroCon - he is aware it's messed up. (No idea when he'll get the time to actually change it to something that works, though.)


** The closest you can get is taking a screenshot of your spreadsheet, cropping the image, uploading it, and linking it in your post. It'll look right regardless of fontsize, but it's a pita to maintain, too.

I believe Sailboat's point was the mob was dead either way. There are two scenarios here:

Scenario 1
1) Energy Transfer hits, killing the enemy.
2) Teammate hits after ET, and corpse blasts. (Attack would have killed the target.)

Scenario 2
1) Teammate hits, killing the enemy.
2) Energy Transfer hits after your teammate, and corpse blasts. (Attack would have killed the target.)

It doesn't matter if you hit first or second, either way you're wasting hp/end on a target that was already dead. That, I believe, was the point. It's just a perception issue, albeit an annoying one.