Santorican
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Black you can stop posting because I have you on ignore, you've been nothing but rude.
Silit: If I were to drop Tough and pick up Swift or Hurdle, Health, Stamina, and Phase Shift how would I make up for the loss in recharge?
In this build I have four slots to spare and I'm not sure where I could put them to maximize their effectiveness.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.601
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Level 50 Science Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Weapon Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(29), Mrcl-Rcvry+(34)
Level 2: Reconstruction -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal(19), Dct'dW-Rchg(19)
Level 4: Cremate -- GS-Acc/Dmg(A), GS-Dam/Rech(5), GS-Dam/End/Rech(5), GS-Acc/End/Rech(17), GS-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(17), GS-%Dam(21)
Level 6: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), EndMod-I(7), P'Shift-End%(7)
Level 8: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(9), Winter-ResSlow(9)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal(15), Dct'dW-Rchg(15)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 16: Integration -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), Panac-Heal/EndRedux(21), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(23), Panac-Heal/Rchg(23), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(25), Panac-Heal(25)
Level 18: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), P'Shift-EndMod(29), P'Shift-End%(31)
Level 22: Confront -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(31), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(33), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(33), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(33), Mocking-Rchg(50)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 26: Incinerate -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(34), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Mako-Dam%(37)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(37), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Dct'dW-Heal(39), Dct'dW-Rchg(39)
Level 30: Stealth -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 32: Greater Fire Sword -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(36), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(40), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(40)
Level 35: Build Up -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(42), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(42), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(43), AdjTgt-Rchg(43)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 41: Web Grenade -- GravAnch-Immob(A), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(42), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(43), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(48), GravAnch-Hold%(48)
Level 44: Targeting Drone -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(45), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(45), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(45), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(46), GSFC-Build%(50)
Level 47: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Phase Shift -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Mako-Dam%(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Quote:I guess you missed the part where I said I already have phase shift. If I need more etheral shifts I can go craft more. It is pointless to take phase shift as a permanent power when I can keep buying it and crafting multiple ones.Originally Posted by black_barrier
i'm gonna give you a nice lead in, and you look at the hard numbers.
1. you get hit by heat loss, infridge and benumb. / melt armor + heat ex.
2. add all of the effects on your toon when that happens.
3. get shot at with fire/sound/dark/lolice.
4. add up the net damage and multiply that by debuffed resistance happening right there. make note that this is a burst attack. now, noting your regen is stopped, calculate how long you will survive.
5. go find arcanaville's posting history. find the post on "immortality lines" and the spreadsheet she used to calculate brute shield effectiveness.
6. put your numbers in there.
7. realize that the regen with tough dies when he gets debuffed, but since the regen with phase can stop a burst, and then manage living off of a net diminished dps (because of the outliers in the dps calculation, created by heavy debuffing are eliminated), it survives.
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Quote:No one is willing to give you 5 or 10 billion because that isn't chump change and it would take some work to acquire that much. Give it a tryOriginally Posted by Supermax
Yeah, I'm aware of how much better IO's are. I see it basically every time I fight someone in PvP. I have to be a significantly better player to beat anybody with a really expensive build.
And I've seen many people claim that the market is so simple, anybody can make billions in days without even trying. And yet, nobody is willing to just give me like 5 or 10 billion. Why not? It must be chump change for you guys. -
Looks like fun, I mean I can't really tell you to not play that because its how you want to play. Personally if I were to want a build like that I'd just roll a Katana/Will Power.
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Quote:Couldn't be further from the truth, you can start from nothing and make a lot, spend some time reading in the Market section and you'll learn a lot. One person did an experiment to see how quickly they could go from 0 influence to one billion, I forgot how quickly he did it, but it just shows that you don't need much influence to get started.Originally Posted by Supermax
Meaning I don't make any money. The market isn't really my thing either...seems you need to start with a lot to make a lot.
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Quote:Since this is my first serious forray into PvP yes you do need to spell it out. Also I don't play the online e thug game I'm here for help and considering you just I'll thank you but after that if you don't have anything positive to say then stfu otherwise I'll just report you. This isn't PWNZ this is general help.Originally Posted by black_barrier
with DR, a regen is generally vulnerable to that around 3 times per 10 minute period. and that will only be against a cold.
if your recharge is debuffed to hell on any melee toon, you built your toon like a downie, congratulations. i hereby award you the demon slayer. badge.
furthermore it seems as if you've definitely not fought decent a cold, or even know how to fight a therm.
if you don't have phase, you will die against a cold, you will die. you have to be able to remove yourself from the match for the duration of the debuffs.
if you're dealing with a therm, pack your insps, ration your phase.
if you're dealing with a rad, omg packing stun'nades is hard, huh?
do i really need to spell out these things for you?
seriously dude, are you sentry4's alt acct?
Edit: And further more you still cannot prove numerically that taking Tough is detrimental in any way to playing in PvP. You have nothing to go off of so why continue to tell me that tough doesn't help? I have a few crafted ethereal shifts so why waste a power pick and slots? -
What kind of dps can you do with this build Claws?
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Is going Ninja like going rogue? *rim shot* I'll be here all night...
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Quote:I kind of regret having fire ball until we're able to color tint it, it doesn't fit well with my concept.Originally Posted by Prexx
I have a 50 DM/SD/Blaze that uses a build close to one of the ones that Santorican posted in another thread. I am not finished with IOing him out, but even now he is a beast. As far as AoE goes, I have all I need: Jump in a big group -> Soul Drain -> Fireball -> Shield Charge -> Look around at all the carnage.
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Please download Mid's and post up a build.
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Quote:Originally Posted by macskull
Oh, I'd've ignored him a long time ago (I did, actually, but took him off a while later), but he was just too much fun. I also told him to come to the forums, I feel he should have the opportunity to defend himself. >.>
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I usually hit ignore, some people in PvP aren't worth getting into a pissing match with.
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Quote:I can do whatever I wantOriginally Posted by black_barrier
judging from the builds you're posting, you shouldn't be giving out advice.
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Quote:True but they do helpOriginally Posted by Silit
Numbers are seldom so two dimensional in application. This certainly is no exception.
Because when your passive regeneration and recharge are debuffed to hell you have some form of damage mitigation? Regeneration does well with either resistance or defense, and because defense isn't as great a mitigation as it used to be, resistance will help.Quote:The point is: If you already can't die, why take more defensive powers? The weakness in a Regen scrapper is in its offense, not its defense. Focus on improving your offensive abilities.
PvP wasn't even around back then and Regenerators didn't need Tough or Weave back then because Instant Healing was a toggle and you could solo tank the hamidon with the retarded amounts of passive regeneration you could get.Quote:The only time the best Regens took Tough was before HOs got nerfed and ED was instated, as you could get 75% resistance to smashing/lethal damage. Since then I have never seen a great Regen who lives by Tough. I don't think I've ever seen even a good Regen who used a parry power either.
Alone it does not give 30% resistance I was referring to my build that if I were to drop Tough and Resilience, because on its own Resilience sucks, I would lose over 30% resistance to a few damage types.Quote:With DR I'm pretty sure Tough gives you alot less than 30% resistance, too. I could be wrong. -
Two common invention recharges and one luck of the gambler: increased recharge/defense
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Quote:Originally Posted by ConFlict
cuz he noes regin sunBecause isn't a logical answer as to why not to take Tough. Numbers speak more then "because." 40% more regeneration isn't going to increase my survivability more then 30% resistance to almost every damage type will. So please enlighten me as to how Health and Stamina are going to increase my survivability?Quote:Originally Posted by Supermax
If I may, I also know regin.
I have first bs/regin in pvp, ok? I am first to know it cant be bet.
And you most definitely don't need tough on a regin. Get tactics, or phase like myself and most others. It makes you unbettable. And that's a nice thing. You know...you run into pretty much anyone, and you know they can't bet you. I like the feeling sometimes. In real life people can bet me
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Quote:Too much survivability is never enoughOriginally Posted by Silit
Lol, true. Even still, it seems like a bit of overkill on survivability.
So? Electric is one of the lowest when it comes to ST and it's AoE is averageQuote:Originally Posted by Kool_Virus
you can slot chance for heal procs in elec hehe. i'd still go elec/regen -
Quote:How do you figure?Originally Posted by Silit
You don't need resistances on a regin.
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Here is another build that I came up with...
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.601
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Click this DataLink to open the build!
Level 50 Science Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Weapon Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(29), Mrcl-Rcvry+(34)
Level 2: Reconstruction -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal(19), Dct'dW-Rchg(19)
Level 4: Cremate -- GS-Acc/Dmg(A), GS-Dam/Rech(5), GS-Dam/End/Rech(5), GS-Acc/End/Rech(17), GS-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(17), GS-%Dam(21)
Level 6: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), EndMod-I(7), P'Shift-End%(7)
Level 8: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(9), Winter-ResSlow(9)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal(15), Dct'dW-Rchg(15)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Boxing -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(29), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(31), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(34), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(46)
Level 16: Integration -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), Panac-Heal/EndRedux(21), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(23), Panac-Heal/Rchg(23), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(25), Panac-Heal(25)
Level 18: Tough -- HO:Ribo(A), HO:Ribo(31), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(50)
Level 20: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 22: Confront -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(31), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(33), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(33), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(33), Mocking-Rchg(50)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 26: Incinerate -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(34), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Mako-Dam%(37)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(37), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Dct'dW-Heal(39), Dct'dW-Rchg(39)
Level 30: Resilience -- ResDam-I(A)
Level 32: Greater Fire Sword -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(36), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(40), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(40)
Level 35: Build Up -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(42), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(42), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(43), AdjTgt-Rchg(43)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 41: Web Grenade -- GravAnch-Immob(A), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(42), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(43), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(48), GravAnch-Hold%(48)
Level 44: Targeting Drone -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(45), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(45), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(45), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(46), GSFC-Build%(50)
Level 47: Stealth -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Mako-Dam%(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
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But if I drop the fighting pool I'll lose Tough and there goes most of my resistances
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Katana is better then Electric hands down. Slotting res procs, buff defense, good dps, it has all of the right tools to win.
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Quote:Thanks UmbralOriginally Posted by Umbral
Incinerate: 10 sec base, 4.224 sec needed, 137% +rech needed
GFS: 12 sec base, 3.564 sec needed, 237% +rech needed
Cremate: 8 sec base, 4.356 sec needed, 84% +rech needed
With Hasten up (less than half a second from perma thanks to animation time), you've got Incinerate down to 2.91 sec recharge, GFS down to 3.27 sec recharge, and Cremate down to 2.33 sec recharge. All of those powers would recharge more than fast enough so you can run that chain easily.
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Quote:Depends, for Dueling BS/Katana > Fire for Zone Fire rules them all.Originally Posted by RadioSilence
So what primary would go best with Regen if Im planning a 60/40 split between PvP and PvE? Is this order correct for PvP - FM>BS>Spine>Kat?
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Quote:That tanker primary is hilariously awesome, I wish we could have it rofl!Originally Posted by TRTerror
Something like this?
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While you're here umbral can you see if I have enough recharge for inc>gfs>cremate?
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.601
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Level 50 Science Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Weapon Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(29), Mrcl-Rcvry+(34)
Level 2: Reconstruction -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal(19), Dct'dW-Rchg(19)
Level 4: Cremate -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(5), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Mako-Dam%(17)
Level 6: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), EndMod-I(7), P'Shift-End%(7)
Level 8: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(9), Winter-ResSlow(9)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal(15), Dct'dW-Rchg(15)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Boxing -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(29), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(31), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(34), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(46)
Level 16: Integration -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), Panac-Heal/EndRedux(21), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(23), Panac-Heal/Rchg(23), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(25), Panac-Heal(25)
Level 18: Tough -- HO:Ribo(A), HO:Ribo(31), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(50)
Level 20: Weave -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(21)
Level 22: Confront -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(31), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(33), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(33), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(33), Mocking-Rchg(50)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 26: Incinerate -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(34), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Mako-Dam%(37)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(37), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Dct'dW-Heal(39), Dct'dW-Rchg(39)
Level 30: Resilience -- ImpArm-ResPsi(A)
Level 32: Greater Fire Sword -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(36), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(40), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(40)
Level 35: Build Up -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(42), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(42), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(43), AdjTgt-Rchg(43)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 41: Web Grenade -- GravAnch-Immob(A), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(42), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(43), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(48), GravAnch-Hold%(48)
Level 44: Targeting Drone -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(45), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(45), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(45), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(46), GSFC-Build%(50)
Level 47: Stealth -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Mako-Dam%(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit