Rylas

Is the federal defecit something you're contributing to?

If you believe the market inflation is as bad as you say, then using the market and making billions off of it (especially in excess of what you obviously need) only makes you a hypocrite.

Honestly, if you're that upset with the system, why take part in it so much? You seem to have no problem using it to your advantage. You boast of the rewards you reap, then turn around and condemn people you claim to be part of a massive deceptions about the market. You feign concern for the new player base, but you're not actually doing anything to help them. If you're really as worried about new players being turned off by the market as you say, then write a guide on how to use the market. If you know as much as you think you do, then surely you can give them the guidance needed to stear the market.

I'm not sure what my experience with new players that I know personally has anything to do with not being able to know the exact amount of inlfation that has taken place. All I'm showing is that any new player can still enjoy the game without having uber-millions/billions. Are you suggesting new players should be able to slot purples and pvp IOs out the gate?

Sorry you had a bad run in with someone who was probably just aggitated. Not having been there, it's hard to tell which side of the story is "more true." Did anyone on the team tell you WHY your build sucked? Any specific reasons like, and this is an example, "LOLz on no mez protection." If they couldn't at least give you a reason, odds are, someone was venting and you were there.

Now, if they gave reasons, it may be in your interest to figure out from the community if there are power choices that could be different. That's completely up to you, of course. Maybe you like your powers and you're aware of they qualities good or bad. In which case, make some friends with people you've enjoyed teaming with and keep playing with them. Sometimes it's all about having people you can play with, and a build is completely secondary to that.

A: Someone who would have you believe the rate of inflation is going out of control, but is obviously unwilling to take the step towards reducing inflation by burning all of their inf. That is, of course, if they we're being completely honest to begin with.

You believe a lot of things that many have already found comical.

Of the friends I've turned on to the game, most have been overwhelmed enough with the mechanics and figuring out playstyles to even be bothered with IOs. Sure, IOs sound good to them, but what good is it delving into them when they don't even know how something works on SOs?

Maybe it's been too long for you to remember what it's like being new to the game, but the friends I've played with all had plenty on their hands to do with just getting to know the game. As veteran players, many of us plan out a character from beginning to end with Mids and it all makes sense to us. Someone who really wants to learn the game won't just take a power because you tell them to, they want to figure it out on their own. I prefer a population of new players willing to learn how to play before wanting all the shiniest things they wouldn't know what to do with. They tend to stick around longer.

Most of the time, while leveling new players and showing them the ropes, they've come across a very nice drop to help them stay financially sufficient for SOs and then some. By the time they've got a 50, they've got enough to at half-way IO out a toon, if not more.

New players coming in aren't going to be conncerned with getting purples and PVP IOs. By the time they've gotten the game figured out and leveled a character (without PLing) to 50, they'll have found enough drops to seed they're first build. At which point, they'll have plenty of means for getting a good build without purples and PVPs. It's been shown in the forums that anyone with even limited play time can go from 0 to over a billion on a level 50 in a week. That's plenty for making a decent build.

Too bad they're all alt-accounts for Fulmens.

Duh DUH DUH!

Seriously, though, if Fulmens can trust me to match 200 million to burn for prestige, then I can certainly trust him with any kind of transaction.

Perfect knowledge may not be needed, but more data than you'll ever have access to is. For inflation to be accurately determined, you'd need to know the average amount of inf spent per transaction. There's no way for you to quantify that, so anything you say aside from "There is inflation" is talking out your ***. At best, you can say rarer items have greatly inflated in value while more accessible items have remained at a steady rate of increase or stayed the same.

Why is this even worth mentioning anymore? No one has argued that they are.

Ok, so 30-34 is high. But 36-50 is not. 5 levels out of 21 does not represent hyperinflation across the board.

I'd say my position is more one of "If you can't know everything about the market, you can't make absolute statements about the market." Saying, "The market has hyperinflation across the board" would be an absolute statement. You can say today's price for this group of items is such-and-such more/less than it was before, but the market on-the-whole won't fit into a such a claim with the limited amount of data available to take from it.

I think a lot of people did. But with all the level 50s generating influence much faster than they generate purples, I don't think it's that surprising.

The other side of that (and this can only be conjecture) is that some of the mentality behind the new Alpha content has driven players to max out their toon as best they can. For some people, having purples is the way to do that. It's also going to allow for faster PL situations, allowing more people to get to 50 faster, and wanting more purples.

If you care to explain how only levels 30-33 negate the remaining levels CI's are available at, then you might actually have a point there.

While Rare Salvage has gone up (not that I'll trust [right or wrong] numbers you throw out) it's not enough to say the entire market has hyper-inflated. So, until all items on the market (and don't worry, we'll throw out TOs/DOs/SOs and any other item available from an inf-oriented-vendor) have been taken into account, with amount of transactions taking place (after all, purples don't sell the same number of items as common and uncommon items). Seeing as how you can't access the number of transactions taking place on the market to find the average amount of influence being moved around, there's no way to determine if the amount of inflation is as severe as you'd have everyone believe.

You still have the ability to neglect the majority of the market (i.e. the overwhelming number of CIs selling for 2-5 million compared to your small margin in the 30-33 level range).

While usually I would agree, the Claimer has the burden of proof, I'd prefer to see numbers provided by someone more trustworthy. Someone whose been tunnel-visioning only those things that cost more in certain ranges, isn't someone I think who will provide reliable, non-biased numbers.

Impossible! A_F clearly has proven that hyperinflation is taking place. That would mean Pangeans have to sell for 6-9 million now! Clearly, your findings are fabricated.

/sarcasm

Excellent point. If we're basing this off of game "money," we should be going by game "time." In the ~72 years of CoH time, there's hardly been any serious inflation.

First: You "magically" missed every CI that didn't support you were saying as well. It's ok for you to do, but not others? Especially when the ones I listed greatly outnumber yours?

Second: How more plainly can we say that we all know there is inflation. Just not the hyperinflation you and the OP are stuck on?

Seriously, who here do you think is of the opinion there is no inflation?

Dersk also mentioned:

So I'd be careful about hiding behind it for defense.

So, if I miss one level of enhancements, I'm cherry picking. If you miss all the other levels beside that one, it's only because.....?

Sorry, but you can't call me a cherry-picker without having been even worse at it.

Again, no one has said inflation hasn't occurred. We're only saying hyperinflation hasn't. So unless you're stand point is that it hyperinflation has occurred, then there's no reason for you to be upset.

Distance myself from what? I wasn't the one to bring up TO/DO/SO enhancements. I didn't defend them either.

Sorry, I just randomly selected levels. I don't have a lot of the 40s either, but I doubt they're selling for 10 million. Never-the-less, you have only level 35 enhancements to back up your claim, when you clearly said before:
And frankly, what does it matter if lvl 35 IOs are 10 million if you have 34 and 36 as excellent options? Enhancement values are practically the same, and if you're worried about exemplaring, then the level 34 is just fine.

Face it, you're the one cherry picking at this point.

As has been mentioned more than once in this thread, no one said inflation isn't occurring. We've only said that hyperinflation is a false assessment of the situation. So again, why are you all bunched up?

Man, you're still desperately clinging onto the TO/DO/SO defense that no one's tried to argue for the past 2 pages? While people shred apart your arguments everywhere else?

I don't think he's going to actually say what's got him so bunched up. Coming out and actually stating your position would be "dumbing it down."

Thanks for the image that reveals no one is spending more than 3.5 million for that CI enhancement. We're you trying to prove hyperinflation with that image?

I have some images, too. They're not very helpful for you're argument either.



Notice that the doubled pricing you swore by doesn't seem to be showing up. Some of the higher levels ones we're all sold within the same day, while the lower level ones date back by a couple of weeks in some places. While some people may be willing to spend 10 million, many don't. And if the 2-5 million you quoted from 3 years ago is even accurate, then this shows nothing close to hyperinflation.

Hmm, I checked one of the CI Triples at multiple levels, and saw a consistent 3-5 million range. I'll post pics in the morning when I have PS to help me splice them into one image.

I'm just going to call straight up shenanigans on this right now. I checked CI enhancements just now and all level 50 CI's are selling within 2-5 million. So if you're more-than-likely made up number of what they "used to go for" is true, then there's been no inflation what-so-ever.

Unless lvl 50 Doctored Wounds only sold for 2-3 million (which leaves little room for profit), they haven't doubled. The only one worth mention is Heal/Recharge at an average 15 million. Seeing as most people are concered with heal and recharge for heal powers, that's not exactly surprising.

Thunderstrikes (all 6 at lvl 50) are between 3-5 million.

Touch of Death is going for 20-50 on most of the lvl 40s. Last time I bothered getting a set, I believe the pricing history was actually a little more than that.

I'd check all the others, but at this point, it's pretty obvious you're not basing anything you've said on facts.