PyroclasticNinja

On character for one set and on account for an account wide set... that'll sort the long timers out.

Respecs are way too easy for that sort of thing. Even if they went back to the old respecs (back in i3 thay were actually hard).

OTOH if once you used up the first three real respecs you went into a 10 slot 2 power respec type thing (see plethora of other recent threads) that'd be okay.

But no to new enhancement slots from respec trials.

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Title and suggestion fixed...

This I now agree with...

Set trial accounts with an automatic AFK style message to Tell's

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An uneditable AFK message.

And while I agree on the RMT side of things, some of the trial restrictions are pretty anal.

Don't know about stolen ISK being turned into cash but I do know someone who was making quite a respectful living off EVE... though it was a 9-5 job for her.

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* How about maps which is a randomly generated maze - would really add a new element of people not knowing where a boss will spawn etc. Particularly if they are timed, does the team split up or stick together.


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This would be very well recieved by me and the majority of the players that I team with on a regular basis.

The old saying goes something like, 'familiarity breeds contempt'. I may not hold the game in contempt but the analogy is the same.

After a long time playing this game I know exactly where to go on every preset map in the game - both indoor and outdoor. This is a problem for long term players and one that could be remedied by having randomly generated maps and tilesets.

Quite how this could be achieved at present is unknown but having this facility would be very refreshing indeed.

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If they did something like Diablo (1), that had 'random' maps made up of pre-made chunks, and as the current maps are made up of pre-made chunks apart from the actual method of creation it wouldn't be very dissimilar...

But yeah I'd love this.

I'd really like a survive mission type. With the option of failing and then getting an alternate 2nd mission.

Split missions, like mentioned above. Two methods of getting through a map, both of which needs part of the team and the final room on each path would have a simultaneous, with some sort of trick to prevent clearing one side then the other.

Greater use of environmental damage (or effects), I know one or two maps have lava that burns (Tyrant's Lair & Hess TF), I'd like to see missions where having a healer of some sort is essential to stop the environment killing you. Without making the environment into specific mob (like 'Fire' in various parts of CoV).

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But we're both getting rather off topic here, if there is anything we both need to say I reckon we should move to PM or something...

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You're not - Positron ssaid in this mini interview that they're doing something with the graphics to keep it level or ahead of CO and DCUO, so a graphics discussion is totally ok

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Care to read either the interview or my fist post again?

He doesn't actually say that they are going to do anything to the graphics just that they have something that will let them compete. I agree it will probably be some form of graphics upgrade, that is the implication but not a move to cel shading, nor the massive overhaul that Razor wants.

Speculation is what these forums demand, but me arguing the toss with Razor is getting a bit pointless. This is the 2nd thread and I doubt he will see my side fully or me his. We're both fairly entrenched in our views so going to PM is far saner than just having a long argument in public.

I'm going on experience of many games over many years (some of which have been looked at from a API stand point mainly dx7 -> dx8, while here I think we're talking dx9 -> dx10). Sure it may be possible, but if it is possible to change the client enough to do what you want it to do without changing it enough to keep the current minimum specs what they are then that is almost certainly going to be a lot more work than just giving us a new upgraded client.

Or the changes will be fairly incremental as anyone expects with most games, and I guess not what you want.

So no I'm not a games developer, though at one time it was where I wanted to go... didn't happen. And from what limited development experience I have, which if six or more years out of date, I think that the idea of just adding to an existing client to dramatically improve the graphics without changing the base specification is if not impossible at least improbable and certainly a hell of a lot of extra work. And while yes development teams will have different teams doing different things at different times, adding a huge work load for one team would bleed off into other areas thus slowing lots of areas down.

Lastly, I'm not actually against the idea of graphics updates, I just don't think that its needed in preference over other areas of the game. And certainly not to the level you are advocating.

But we're both getting rather off topic here, if there is anything we both need to say I reckon we should move to PM or something...

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And you quite obviously didn't read my point on the graphics updates. I said the minimum requirements WOULD NOT change, so people with their £1.99 computers can still run the game. The gfx bar would be able to be slid more to the right, but the left would stay the same.

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Just as you so obviously don't read mine.

To have the sort of features that you seem to think are necessary for a game to be any good added to this game you would need an entirely new client. And for those of us who don't have the best PCs the new client would be too much. So you would need two clients one with all the candy and one without.

While I know it has been done in EVE, they have reverted to one client possibly because keeping two clients up to date and 'bug free' is most likely exponentially harder than a single client.

While you would obviously prefer that the devs spend as much time as possible on something to make the game look pretty. Adding content would be liked by the majority and would go down far better than adding a whole chunk of code that only a minority need or want.

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I hope that's cleared that up for you. And CoX doesn't have it's own style. The graphics are just standard game textures that are nothing special. Look at any adventure game and you'd see similar textures plastered over every cave and what have you.

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But if you follow that rule through nor do most other games, CO included. Should we still be so needful of another game's look?

Maestro is not accepted for recurring payments, ie you can't pay your subs with it. I don't think they stopped anyone from using it at the store. (Though they should have a note about not using it for subs when you buy something with it maybe.)

I'd like the one that comes as part of the cc_emote with the injection (part of the science booster), sort of electrical currents running through the body. As opposed to the electric arcing that they have now.

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No, you NEED new graphics to sell a game as computers nowadays are getting more powerful. Even the cheap ones can outperform the ones of 2 years ago by miles.

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Untrue to many, in fact probably the majority of people who buy games buy it based on what the game is and does, not on what it looks like. Other wise everyone who played games would have the best PC money could buy or restrict themselves to console titles.

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I want a graphical overhaul, and the advantages of it from a business point of view shouldn't be overlooked.

Yes i agree adding new content is always a good way to go, but it CANNOT hurt adding better graphics, whilst keeping the minimum requirements the same. There is absolutely no reason for you not to want a gfx revamp.

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With the level of the change you feel the game needs you could not have a single client that would run the existing graphics and the 'improved' graphics. And whilst I see your view, I'd much rather have a single client and more content with perhaps a small incremental upgrade to graphics than go the whole hog for something that only a few people care about.

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Graphics are the 1st thing people see in a game. When they watch the videos, see the screenshots, there is nothing more foremost to advertise a game with than graphics.

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Conveniently bringing me back to my thoughts on the horrible look that CO currently has, I certainly wouldn't buy it based on the screen shots I have seen. Yet if the people I know who are in the beta all told me that graphics aside the game was amazing I might be tempted anyway. Because for advertisements I'd say word of mouth is far more important than looks any day. And I can think of several games that look awesome but are totally pants.

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CoX is dated in that aspic. CO is different because the cell shaded comic book style is intentional.

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CoH has its own style, changing it to match a competitor won't make CoH better regardless of how good or bad said competitor looks. Worse people who have a choice of games aren't going to say lets buy the old game as it looks the same.

Let CoH have its own style, which was the point I was trying to make.

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If CoX brought in cel shading I would be delighted. I get the feeling that a lot of people get cel shading and oulining mixed up.

I'm not a fan of CO's outlining at all and thankfully that can be disabled. The cel shading in CO does look wonderful though and allied with CoX's more realistic style it would be a major improvement for CoX - and very possibly surpass the graphics that CO has.

All is fair in love and war - and also the MMO business.

CO has taken a few of the strengths of CoX and used them. It's only fair that CoX does the same in any upgrades they make to the game.

If the CoX devs decide to bring in variants of the CO power frames or design some of the excellent costume items that CO has, it would only be fair IMHO.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the devs upgrade this game .... as long as it's done with conviction and imagination.

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Thing is IMO, best thing that ever happened to CoH was getting rid of cryptic, I'm not saying that everything PS do is great (some of its pretty pants) or that everything Cryptic did was [censored] (though can't think of any stand out features that I love (other than the game)).

But I love this game, and while some imitation of another game is often to the good, copying a style (eg Cel Shading) is just copying a style, its not going to add anything but pretty looks to this game, which could be added with a Razor style make over (which I'm not keen on) and would prefer over something that is just a copy of a newer game.

This game should retain its own style. Its lasted five years, I don't imagine making the graphics look like those of another game will prolong its longevity.

Better add actual content for that.

Besides I have seen screen shots of CO and TBH I don't know what people see in it. To me it looks dated already.

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New graphics? Hope so!

New content, zones, powersets, costume parts? Bring them on plox!

New game mechanics and gameplay features: PLEEEASE!!

This intrigues me. Maybe GR will make up the the abysmal dissapointments that were i15 and the forthcoming i16.

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Or not.

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Hell I want both.

MAc client is done by transgaming? (As in people who do linux things through cedega?)

Wow I thought the Mac client would have been a full conversion done in house.

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If it costs 100 million inf and can only done prior to level 2.

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Changed it to match my opinion

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Level 10 is fine I reckon, takes what an hour with normal levelling (ie not in MA) to hit 10. Anyone who has 100,000,000inf to spare at level ten deserves to lose the money IMO.

What I'd prefer is some form of accelerated start that would allow you to start at 14 or 20 or something, because even with MA I for one am sadly jaded with those early levels I have done so often.

/agree with Coolio...

for rest

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If it costs 100 million inf and can only done prior to level 10.

I don't think it is cel shading anyway. He just says that they have ideas of how to be competitive within the genre.

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If you are talking about the comic-book inspired genre, I can tell you that that we are working on something we think will keep City of Heroes on par or better than our competition.

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Now that could be read as including cel shading, but IMO its more likely to mean something other than graphics... or specifically a graphics update.

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Mr Rogers will win.

I have three PCs so I don't try an run two clients on one PC. (Though it can be done.)

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Mr Rogers in a blood stained sweater?


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Ninjas wear sweaters? BTW is this like your second account or something? Could've sworn that there was a lostninja on here with like a lot of posts counts, or is that a different person?

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3rd actually...

Wanted to stay a legend rather than become renowned... missed it by one post.

2nd account is on my laptop.

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I do play a Villain so I can't make the same promise

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Wanna go arena?

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She'd bust you like the Euro noob you are

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Bring it on GG Noob buster is almost fully IO'd and i think i could take on a regen scrapper any day of the week now Thats right we all know YOUR moves, but do you know miinnnneneeee hehe


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What AT and power sets do you have?

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Im a fire/dark armour scrapper with the power mastery but in that pool i have only taken conserve power. So you up for a 1 on 1 on test?

Place ya bets now people! Noob v GG! Only one will survive!

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Mr Rogers in a blood stained sweater?

Not much point burning the whole thing (and I'm not sure a windows install will be any good on a mac anyway), what you need to back up is the folder called piggs which is all the game data. copy that across to the laptop, personally I use a network connection as its easier but DVD or USB stick will do the job too.

Put it this way on my Nrg/Dev Blaster Build Up is one of the powers I miss most (was created as Nrg/Nrg). And Aim with 2x Recharge Rdx (@50) is up pretty much every other mob.