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Absolute highest solo DPS?

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I was wondering, what AT / power set is capable of the absolute highest single target DPS? Fire/Energy Blasters? Dark/Shield Scrappers or Brutes? Sonic/Kin Corruptors? Or is it too close to call?

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I think there's a lot of variables tied to this question. How long does the DPS have to be sustained? 20 seconds or 20 minutes? Solo or teamed? Can the player use other enemies as buffbots for Soul Drain or not?

On the scrapper boards soloing a pylon is generally considered a good metric for DPS. Currently I have seen a time of 5:15 recorded by a Fire/Shield scrapper which is very good, the best I can remember seeing. I have recorded a time of 5:45 with my Dark/Shields but I only attempted it a few times just to see, I think he's capable of shaving at least 30 seconds off that time, but it took a lot of fodder for Soul Drain which Fire doesn't need.

I did knock Woodsman out in about 2:45 seconds. From the time I first damaged him to the moment he dropped.

If teams are allowed and buffing from teammates then that changes everything. Brutes have a much higher damage cap than scrappers so they might pull ahead in that scenario. Possibly far ahead.

Finished my Claws / SR finally!

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That looks VERY solid to me! Now get out there and kill those AVs!

Follow Up>Focus>Slash

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With that chain, I think you'd be better off switching the Dam/Rech for Damage in both Slash and Focus.

I'd change the Miracle Heal/End for a Numina Heal/End - the third set bonus is the same, but Numina goes up to 50 and gives more health. Every % you can grab is important without Aid Self.

Other random thoughts I don't feel like doing the math for :

Is the BU Proc better than a damage proc with that build, seeing as you're going to have FU stacked so much and damage bonuses from Red Fortunes, Apocalypse ?

What's the better choice between 4 impervium and one additional slot in CP, for end management ? Dropping CP downtime from 90s to 70s seems big to me (and it'd allow for +1.5% HP with 3 Titanium Coating in Tough).

As for Stamina, another slotting option would be 3 perf shifter and 2 efficacy adaptor for an additional +1.12% hp, losing +2.5% dam and +2.5% recovery.

Looks like between Focus and Shockwave, you could keep ~80 ranged DPS while kiting for regen... Interesting.

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Hi Nihilii,

I really hadn't looked at much other than the recharge to get to where the chain would run. Many good points to consider. Paricularly the ones about dropping the additional recharge from Slash and Focus. I'll play with the build more seriously this week I think.

Follow Up>Focus>Slash

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The Holy Grail of Claws.

I was looking at my new Fire/SR brute's build thinking, "Man, he's got a lot of good stuff going on there! Look at all that native recharge without Hasten!"

So that led down the path to Excelerate. Wondering how close I could get him to FU>F>S.

I didn't quite make it but it's pretty good. I thought I would share and let the numbers folks have a crack at the build if they're interested.

The goal was NOT just to be able to run the attack chain. All other normal AV soloing needs apply as well. Healing ability (in this case just regen, *winks @BillZ), endurance management, etc.

So here's the build with a question.

I calculate the gap at .116 seconds. Is that gonna matter?

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Sand Viper: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Claws
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Strike -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 2: Slash -- Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(3), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(5), Hectmb-Dam%(5), Achilles-ResDeb%(7)
Level 4: Focused Senses -- RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(A), RedFtn-Def(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(17), RedFtn-EndRdx(40), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7)
Level 8: Follow Up -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 10: Practiced Brawler -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(39), Zephyr-ResKB(46)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(17), Mrcl-Heal(36), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(43), Numna-Heal(43), RgnTis-Regen+(48)
Level 18: Focus -- Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(19), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(21), Apoc-Dam%(21), Decim-Build%(23)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(A), P'Shift-EndMod(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(29), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(34), P'Shift-End%(46)
Level 22: Quickness -- Run-I(A)
Level 24: Spin -- Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(25), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(25), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(27), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(27)
Level 26: Combat Jumping -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(29), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(31), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(33), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 28: Agile -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 30: Boxing -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(31), Amaze-ToHitDeb%(31), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(45), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(48)
Level 32: Shockwave -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(33), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), ImpArm-ResDam(36), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(36), ImpArm-EndRdx/Rchg(37), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Empty(42)
Level 38: Weave -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(39), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(39), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(40), RedFtn-EndRdx(40), LkGmblr-Rchg+(50)
Level 41: Evasion -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(42), RedFtn-Def(42), RedFtn-EndRdx(43), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 44: Dodge -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(45), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(50), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(50)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Lucky -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- SprngFt-EndRdx/Jump(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

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Scrapper (and Brute) Fight Music

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Move-Thousand Foot Krutch

"Move and show me what you can do
When you step into the circle and shake like we do"

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WOAH!

You busted out Christian music! Wehehellll!

In that spirit !

SCRAP TO THIS!

Bring the Heat - Disciple.

I chuckled

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Looks like the bad guy was right this time.

This is going to be my first Blue Side

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Ok Powerforge, after watching your amazing videos, Hella Congo Ratz BTW on all those AV's, I have a couple of questions for you;

Claws/Regen

Claws/Sr

Dm/Sd

Obviously, the Claws/Sr and Claws/Regen would be cheaper to soft cap correct? Is Dm/Sd realy that costly to soft cap to do what you were doing in the videos with October? Or if I decided to go with Dm/Sd would I be better off on Red side where I have the resources to pay fr the IO's for it?
If it would be cheaper for me in the long run to stay as a Brute because of current resources that I have red side, shold I just make the Dm/Sd Brute then?
Would my Dm/Sr Brute who is currently 25 work decently to the point that I should just stick with him and just farm more Inf for the cost of IO's?

Heh, sory with all the questions, as I just woke up and the servers are down for Maintenance and I am still working on my first cup of coffee trolling all the boards.

If you think it would be more cost effective to just stay Red Side with a Dm/Sd Brute or my Dm/Sr I will....Then I will have to make my Fire/Rad Troller to bring over for Rogue (Obviously there is no hurry in lvling it just yet hehe, thats why all the questions and trial and error on my part...I got some time to play with yet)

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Hi Rag!

I'm sorry it took so long to respond to you. I really needed to take a break for a night from my PC

As to all your questions it looks like they've all been answered!

I will tell you that as far as expense goes both Excelerate and Saint October have hugely expensive builds. Of the two Excelerate was cheaper and I think in general Claws/SR will preform better for less money.

If cost is no object nothing will out perform DM/SD for killing AVs but it's not quite as good for all all around play or teaming.

Good Luck!

WP/Fitness Pool Question.

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Is the Claws set heavy in Endurance usage to worry about slotting for max End Recovering?

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Definitely not. You'll do great with two slots in each.

This is going to be my first Blue Side

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Reyne hits it right on the head as far as I am concerned!

Claws is a good choice for you I think, also Firey.

I'm in a similar boat as yourself in fact. I have played Blue exclusively for three years and just decided to roll a Brute with Going Rogue announced. I eventually went with Firey/SR which would also serve you really well as a scrapper. Both sets can be very effective cheaply, while leveling but can also really excel at 50 with lots of influence poured into them. In fact I'd say they improve at pretty much an even pace. Getting steadily better as you put more into them rather than needing a ton of cash to take to the next level. Claws may actually lag behind Firey really. I just have a special affection for the Claws set as Excelerate was my first AV killer. The build I am considering for my Firey/SR brute however has me really excited. It looks to outperform Excelerate in every way except attacking multiple hard targets (i.e. a double RWZ challenge type thing).

Now if you want to truly build something nasty for AVs and you don't care terribly that your farming won't be stellar DM/SD can't be beaten imo.

btw Welcome to Bule!