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This is fabulous! It's also terrible, because it makes me want to play I22 desperately and servers are still down!
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Twas the night before I22, and all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse
The purples were prepared by marketeers with great care
In hopes that converters soon would be there
The marketeers were nestled all snug in their beds
While visions of billions danced in their heads
And Fulmens with his fire, TopDoc with spreadsheet,
Had just settled their bids for a new-issue treat.
When across the street there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
The moon on the breast of the near-melted snow,
Gave the lustre of mid-day to objects below.
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear
But a freight train of purples and PvP procs so dear.
With a little old driver, eyes twinkling with mirth,
I knew in a moment it must be Saint Wentworth.
More rapid than eagles his goods were unloaded,
and he whistled, and shouted, as onlookers doted.
"Hecatomb and Apocalypse,
Armageddon, Ragnarok!
Be quick at unloading,
you're still on the clock!"
As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
one after one the bids they went by.
Down through the outstanding bids they flew,
from 600s to 500s to 400s, too!
And then, with a clatter, I heard from the train,
unlocking freight cars and a familiar refrain:
"Get those procs unloaded! IOs for all!"
And right then PvP prices started to fall.
From Gladiator's Armors to Shield Wall,
the buying was worse than a Black Friday mall.
And Wentworth he smiled and nodded to shoppers,
thinking of the ten percent going to his coffers.
At last it appeared the demand had been slated,
the crowd that had gathered was finally abated.
It occurred to me then with horrifying slowness,
that I had yet to procure myself a set bonus.
I charged down the stairs and out into the night,
thoughts of soldout IOs giving me quite a fright.
I charged 'cross the street, hoping to see,
if some few IOs were left over for me.
Wentworth saw me arrive, all out of breath,
looking like I had just been scared to death.
He held up his hand, and said, "Be at ease.
You can now get enhancements with the greatest of ease."
I shopped 'til I dropped, my base bins were all loaded.
Going without purples would now be outmoded.
Wentworth stood up and stretched and said with a smile,
"3 percent defense procs are quite surely your style."
And with that he ran back to his freight train of loot,
and the train pulled back onto the tracks with a toot.
As the train added speed to its momentous flight,
I heard him call back through the darkness of night.
"Wentworth's got the contract to produce the converters,
so these falling prices they won't really hurt us!
Now you can respec your builds all just right;
Merry issue to all, and to all a good night!" -
Quote:I think we need a report from Fulmens in 57 days to see if it goes back to him!Originally Posted by Silver Gale
I think it depends on which character first checks their email. If it's a character with "only accept from Global Friends" unchecked, the email goes into the inbox as normal. If it's a character that has it checked, it vanishes into the Void, never to be seen again. -
Quote:Good point. I have a friend who doesn't play at all right now - no time - but is looking forward to it. He logs in a few times a week to marketeer, with the goal of having all the infl/stuff he could ever want when he has time to come back and play.Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
I think Bill said it better than I ever could. Some people enjoy doing marketeering or enjoy having loads of inf that they can use as bragging rights or whatever or don't have alot of playtime but can still do alot in just 10 minutes of checking the market, etc.
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Quote:It may also be exacerbated by a rush of people crafting and hoarding recipes for I22. I think it's no exaggeration to say there are 10s of thousands of recipes that have been acquired in anticipation of converters. They are all crafted, because you can't convert a recipe, but they were never listed, so IO buyers ALSO need to craft.Originally Posted by Fulmens
Super Packs are dropping reward merits like a bad metaphor. People are turning reward merits into recipes at a very high rate- including a lot of "minimum level" recipes. Recipes need rares.
I can't speak for everyone, but I was traditionally a very "buy it slow" salvage buyer. I've had to craft 1000 IOs in the past 2 weeks getting ready for I22, and so I stopped caring and started buying it ~nao on a lot of salvage. -
Quote:I just want that without having to spend time on it. So before, I did the least possible amount of work, which meant flipping purples on the two characters I played the most. A few minutes when I logged in to play, make a few billion here and there.
I spend a couple of weeks in game farming and marketeering to collect the 5 purple sets and 3 or more PVP IO's I need
The opportunity with I22 is so large I dropped everything to marketeer like mad for a few weeks so that when the issue hit, I'd have so much stuff that I'd never need to buy anything again. That's it really. -
Quote:Or more on converters.Originally Posted by Hopeling
I'm far from convinced my ability to earn inf overall will be reduced; I expect I'll end up spending less A-merits on big-ticket items and more on random rolls.
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Quote:Last 5 on the 3% L10 is still all over 1.5B. L50 all over 1B (and 3/5 over 1.5, most recent 1.7B)Originally Posted by Neuronia
So I've got close to 60 Empyrean on two alts...is it worth getting these to sell on/off Market or are they dropping to "meh" prices of 500 mil or less?
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Quote:There are some builds which fundamentally play entirely different and cost a ton. For example, perma-eclipse on a warshade. It requires a heck of a lot of recharge, and I really, really wouldn't want to give it up.Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
*Shrug*
I also use very very few purples. I just don't agree with the prices or the "OMG Now I am Uber Because My Build Costs A Lot" attitude, so I have eschewed the whole thing, and honestly? I don't feel like I am missing anything. My characters all play to my level of required performance as is... even the ones that are like 90% SOs only.
Which is not to entirely disagree; I have an ill/rad controller who is still mostly in L30 single-origin IOs and still feels amazing. (Although he is using like 4-5 LotGs, but that's about it.) -
Quote:Through the intermediate stage of buying alignment merits. (50 merits + 20m influence = HAM/VAM.)Originally Posted by Iniesta
I thought merits couldn't be traded for purples/PvP recipes?
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Quote:I think that's about right. That is about the average price. The question is:Originally Posted by Texarkana
I expect the other purples will rise in price and likely stabilize around 300millionish as a wild guess.
1. Is the "scarcity" of the "good" purple sets pushing prices higher than is otherwise sustainable? or;
2. Will lower prices get more average players without tons of funds to slot them as well?
If you wanted to slot full purples (say, 5x5, or 25 "good" purples), you were looking at something like 12-14B before. Now, probably half, maybe a bit less if you poach or are willing to start off picking up cheap ones and doing your own conversions and then just buying to gap-fill.
My take is that there's enough demand that purple prices will stabilize around 300, and then people concerned that they might go back up (because of higher demand from lower prices) may actually even buy them up aggressively.
I think LotGs are a good example. The merit vendor and then HAM vendor made them a great deal more plentiful but they held up quite well (pre-ATOs) with the massive influx of supply, because they're just really good and demand was high. There's not some magical huge supply of purples.
Side note: WW has been under increasingly aggressive assault from people stocking up. I can say for my final push this weekend I've been spending myself dry buying up purples at ~125M (and I'm basically broke now). In my mind this is the last time you can buy quarters with dimes... and I'm aiming to have enough purples that I need never buy another again. I'm going to have a really large stash, but I don't really intend to sell it. I bought enormous stacks of various other cheap things - L20 non-proc Miracles, L35 Kinetic Combat: chance for knockbacks, even cheap stacks of steadfast protection res/ends (since both other IOs it can convert to are valuable procs). Even hundreds of Kheldian's Grace ATOs. And I generally just intend to hoard it, convert it, and organize it. What good does the influence do me?
Plus, I think if anything, after a precipitous fall, purple prices will begin climbing again. 6-12 months I see them higher at 300-400 or 400-500 instead of the 200-300 I'm expecting next week. -
Quote:You have to ask this question: how high does the price difference have to be before people who have L10s slotted will just pop out the L10 with an unslotter or respec and sell it off?Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
Edited because I missed that it was level 10. Level 10 probably will hold value pretty well.
I am skeptical that this is particularly high. Even when these things cost billions, the biggest difference I saw between L10 and L50 was ~500M. When L50s cost 200M, how big of a differential can there be? -
Quote:Well, what's even selling for 3B? Even the PvP IOs are firmly under 2B unless the buyer is basically insane. Even the L10 ones, and those are not going to have some magic supply pop up on Tuesday. (Although obviously the L50s will arrive en masse.)Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
I know what your saying is not true. Selling an io for 3 billion of market now is cheating to someone who does not know whats coming.
Spin it anyway you like its not the right thing to do unless you just need influ and are willing to do anything to get it. -
Quote:If the swing is that high it will only be because people want to BUY IN NAO/SELL IT NAO. The "cost" of a converter is ~2-15m depending on how you acquire it. That's way too cheap to permit a 300m influence spread.Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
but i expect 100--->400 still a possiblility (least to most--> desireable)
Here's how the math shakes out:
Assuming 6 "less desirable sets" and 4 "more desirable" sets, it takes an average of ~2.25 converters to hit a "good" set from a bad one.
To convert inside a set (assuming 1 desired IO and 5 undesired ones), it takes an average of ~15 converters (that's 5 converts @ 3 converters each).
If for some reason you want to target a specific set (ie, you want exactly one particular purple set), then "hitting" that specific set will require, on average, ~9 converters.
So even given ANY purple and wanting to convert it to ANY other specific purple, the average number of converters required would be ~24.
24 converters is 2.4 HAM/VAMs + 6m influence, or 12 Astral Merits + 6m influence, as an example. You can do the math on how much influence you can extract from the HAM/VAMs or the A-merits, but ultimately, the cost of 24 converters is less than 100 million, and so the differential between the LEAST expensive purple and the MOST expensive purple should generally be less than 100M.
Now, of course, people will still overpay/undersell. It was possible for a particular Armageddon recipe already to have a >400M swing. However, what I'm expecting to see is purples ranging from 150M-200M on the low end, to 300-350M on the high end. -
Quote:Not the case. Selling off market now - or even on market - is just acting on publicly available information. As usual, most people don't care about the market. What's coming in Tuesday is largely good for them. Yes, people who wanted purple mez sets may be sad, but basically everyone else is going to discover everything is more affordable, so it's hardly bad news for them.Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
in the real world this is a crime you go to jail for? so if you cant go to jail in this game for this type for rime dont compare it to life. -
Quote:You'll be able to buy the PvP IO fairly cheaply next week because of converters. Definitely don't spend the merits on it. (Or, alternately, buy it, craft it, sell it right now, buy it back next week.)Originally Posted by DocMidknight
I've finally decided to rebuild my claws/sr brute and for the most part I've gotten him where I like him with the only real question being PVP IO's. I've saved enough merits to get the Glad Armor Proc for the build which will allow me to use different sets to get a slightly higher recharge and keep my soft capped defense. The tougher question is even though I'm SR would the Shield Wall unique also be beneficial to me? The IO recipe is currently in merit range of another toon I have but wasn't sure if I should bother with the recipe due to the resist bonuses and I'm a defensive set.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
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Quote:This seems very weird to me. Isn't the Global Mail yes/no flag a character-specific setting anyhow? If you had 3 characters with it on and 3 off, how could it even decide what to do if you were offline?Originally Posted by Silver Gale
Nope. Turned it off on one character, and the test email came through, but still don't see the previous mail.
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Quote:I doubt that's the case, but I think the "spreads" on purples will be smaller just because the prices are lower. (I've seen variance on purples even recently of over 400M on a single recipe, from 600M to 1B in the last 5.)Originally Posted by firespray
I'm curious what the long-term effects of converters will be. I'm kind of worried that my niche (crafting and selling damage purples) is going to collapse permanently and I'm going to have to find a new way to make money.
More supply will make it slightly steadier.
It may HELP (money making wise) to expect to have to convert as well. But maybe not. The price of "cheap" and "expensive" purples will end up being within 50M of each other, I think, at least on average. The worst-of-the-worst and best-of-the-best will likely be within 100M. -
If you disable the "only mail from global friends", I think it will actually appear in your inbox. That is, I think it's there, and that setting just hides it.
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The sell it nao on L10 crafteds has been 1.5, I can say from experience because I've been dumping some this week.
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Quote:Maybe. I fit the bill. Pretty big entertainment budget and so I generally don't have to think twice about reloading a 9600-point bundle if there's stuff I want. By the time I was done buying packs, I had >6000 merits, and I still didn't have anywhere near all of the ATOs that I needed. I certainly don't intend to buy more packs for merits (since I can buy anything I can get with merits), or for ATOs (especially how cheap they are on the market). So even though I bought >100 packs, I'm skeptical that I'll buy more.Originally Posted by JakHammer
As to continued sales, I suspect a LOT of people, employed people, who do not want to grind out merits on TF's, and don't want to spend precious game time marketing, or who are just lazy in their leisure time, will be buying packs just for the FLOOD of merits, and selling the rest of the goodies they don't need
On the other hand... I'm also a net buyer. I've only sold a couple ATOs and that was mostly because I was too lazy to mail an alt influence, so I plucked one out of global mail and sold it real quick. But on the balance, I've bought up hundreds of ATOs and based them... just in case they go up. I bought the cheap ones (MM, Kheldian ones), figuring I'd just use converters on them if the other ones were pricey. But I really expect almost every character I roll will use them, with the exception of ones perhaps where the itemization is very bad. (ie, the MM set is sort of bad. But I might slot 4 of them just to get the unique+rech bonus.) -
Quote:Well played, sir.Originally Posted by Zombie Man
On Freedom Friday on Facebook, they revealed that they're going to be doing something similar to that to clear out outstanding bids.
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Quote:fyp.Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Commence celebration.
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Quote:Buy them in game.Originally Posted by Emberly
How does one obtain these converters?
HAM/VAM = 10 converters
10 merits = 1 converter
Astral Merit = 2 converters
Emp merit = 5 converters
Plus each redemption method requires some influence, basically 250k influence per converter. (So the HAM/VAM is 2.5m+HAM = 10.) -
Quote:I just stuck on Virtue and used 2 accounts to actually trade them around 20+ at a time. That, and throughout my I22 prep I've been getting used to bidding on everything in stacks of 10. Oh, I need an Essence of the Furies? Bid on 10.Originally Posted by Scientist
Yeah, I find this a tedious part of making builds as well. I often have things I need stashed in particular places, or a spare character around I can place patient bids on, but the 15 seconds per email waiting period inflicts fairly long waits. If a typical character needs 70 Enhancements (guessing here), just emailing that many from storage since different things are in different bases, means around 20 minutes with some login/logout time. Thats with zero time for actually bidding on stuff, buying it, crafting it, storing it, keeping track of what is where, and so on. Its just wait time.
It would sure be nice if they cut the email wait to 5 seconds, or even 10. . .
It's been two weeks today since I decided to dive in full bore, and I've crafted >800 enhancements now, I think.