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Quote:I don't have one but im sure if you make one and post it, you'll get some feedback on it. generally its a good idea to build for +hp around 50ish rech and all things aforementioned.Originally Posted by Alpha_A
Thanks for the help, PC.
Just one more quick question. If I go for "farming" IOs in the Arena, will I still need to wait for the kill timer to reset before getting a chance for an IO? I ask this because, from what I've experienced in the past two days, zone PvP feels like being zerged by 10 angry AVs with fully-slotted Travel Powers, and I don't know how much of that I can do without losing my mind.
Also, do you happen to have a BS/Regen build lying around? Other than the fact that I need lots of -Kb IOs, Phase Shift, and Procs, I have no idea what I'm doing in a PvP build.
arena still has the timer on it but most people just find a place in zone that is hard to find and farm there(which would be harder or easier depending on where you're farming and population. )
the thing you have to remember is since the pvp system is so messed up, it takes some practice to get used to the mechanics and get a feel for what you're doing. -
Quote:no it isn't because skill doesn't matter in current pvp (really none of this game takes any skill but thats an entirely different point all together)Originally Posted by SPiNE
Holy crap! GREAT ANSWER!!
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Quote:forcing it pvp is probably a bad idea. linking it to something like costumes or something like that isn't. I really don't see how encouraging pvp is a bad idea at all. they've already put badges in zones i really don't see what the big difference would be. People who know they don't want to pvp won't and it might even plant the seed in a new players head as an alternative play in the game. Currently there is no "ease in" if you will to i13 pvp. there isn't a pop up that tells you "hey your defense rech recovery rate and resistance are all reduced your powers don't work the same and you get slowed down for clicking an insp".Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
No, we wouldn't. We would be pissed (and justifiably so), and endlessly complain that linking costumes to PvP is a really, really, really bad idea.
i13 was an attempt to make PvP more appealing to us "carebears", and we all know how well that went over. Attempts to force PvP, or even encourage PvP, among the PvE crowd are destined to fail. Those that want to PvP will do so; those that want nothing to do with it should not be enticed into it.
Trying to get people that don't want to PvP on their own to engage in it with the lure of phat lutz, or anything else, is just stupid.
even if the crappy system was fixt (hopefully this would be included in the fix) there should still be some kind of incentive or goal to pvp (something better than pvp IOs). -
Quote:stalk WP gets reconstruction which is nice and also has a constant +HP buff instead of just with DP (which can't be perma in pvp)Originally Posted by Schismatrix
*heh* i haven't read a post by F_M for months unless someone quotes something. When that happens i'm reminded how little i'm actually missing.
i didn't realize WP was that good for Stalkers in PvP, or at least better than regen. i guess i haven't paid enough attention to current PvP preferences for Stalkers. My only two Stalkers of any level are Elec/Nin and DM/Nin, and oddly enough i've never taken either into PvP even though i use less optimal combos like my Dark/Ice Def, Widow and PB.
What is it that makes WP more popular now than Regen for Stalkers? Is it the more layered mitigation with click heals, +hp, resists, regen and +def as compared to regen being mostly click heals, +regen and some +hp?
Also, DM or Elec?
(Might drag one of the two i mentioned into a PvP zone just to see how they fare.)
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Quote:1) I haven't heard of any such nerf, i guess the detarget when rezzing was a small nerf but for the most part i don't really see how they could nerf it with out lowering the drop rate even moreOriginally Posted by Alpha_A
Hey everyone. Honestly, I can't believe that I've ventured back into this part of the forums, much less created a thread! I haven't PvP'd since the I13 changes were implemented, so I'm a little bit lost.
Having spent the last year or two playing the market, I've obviously noticed the incredible shortage of PvP IOs. Now, I'd like to help with that, and am looking at PvPing for drops. A few questions, first.
1) I've heard talk of a "nerf" to PvP Drop farms, is this true? Does it make PvPing for IOs useless?
2) What exactly are the "rules" for PvP IOs? I know that, when you kill in a PvP zone, you have a small chance of a drop. If you try to kill the same toon again, you will not be eligible for a drop. Does it work the same way in the Arena? How do support toons get IOs?
And, finally, I have 2 toons that look like they could work in PvP, a Rad/Sonic Defender (with a Pema-AM, TF build) and a BS/Regen Scrapper. Now, if neither of these options are viable, then I'd be willing to start up a FotM, like a Psi/EM. If anyone has a build for, or any advice on the best choice out of the 3 above, let me know.
Thanks in advance!
~Alpha
2) PvP IOs have a 1/70 chance to drop on *rep worthy kills* (which you'll see in your global tab that rep is awarded) the thing about rep is it can only be awarded by the same player every 5 minutes. ex. if A kills B it would take 5 minutes before A could get rep for killing B again. However on teams everyone gets rep for killing one player so everyone has a chance for a drop every time rep is awarded (but even then the chance for drops are so far and few between)
3 Both of those toons are very viable. the BS/regen would probably be better because regen is extremely resilient and is a nice ease into pvp (and i mean since you already have it build...). if you get really hardcore, rolling a psi/em will probably be the way to go. The rad/sonic is an awsum disruption toon but currently defenders kinda get the shaft on getting an exit power (hiber or wasting a pool on phase) AND/OR getting perception/tohit from the APPs. -
Quote:tough does 17ish res but DR knocks it down to about 9ish.Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Hmmm, lets just say for the sake of Argument that your using SOs on a FA Scrapper.You goto a PvP Zone and have 35% damage resistance to all damage types, including Psi (yes, Psi), and then you get Toughness, which is around 17% damage resistance to all damage types?(Id have to loggin to look this up.Might be 18% with SOs.)
Thats around 50% Damage Resistance.Id say thats pretty good for PvP on a Scrapper.Not to mention the Heal with Hasten Running is around 18 Seconds, like 24 without the Hasten running.So DR doesnt effect the Heal.hmmmmmm.Yup, your totally right, it sounds horrible.
OH WAIT!
BU+FE and Chain Induction with 3 damage SOs does almost 1000 damage before a crit at lvl 50 in PvP.
BU+FE and Lightning Rod does around 800 at lvl 50 in PvP before Crit.
Gosh...your totally right!A FM/Elec would be SOOOOOOO much better!....not.....
chain induction doesn't do anywhere close to 1000 damage (see the other thread which you gave all the bad info in)
Lightning rod does the same amount of damage in pve as pvp and last time i checked it didn't do 800 damage in pve so again no idea where you are getting your numbers from. also factoring in that most stuff will be kiting and it won't be used all that much.
elec has the same amount of res that fire has (might be more not entirely sure on that) along with end drain res although the heal isn't as good. and FM is substantially better than elec -
Quote:pics or it didn't happen.Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
I decided to stay here on the forums because youd get lonely without me.
Besides, not all of my advice is bad at all,Also to point out to ou that the "Base" Numbers for that 1000 is what PvP damage is.the damage resistance that everyone gets doesnt calculate into that number.Its the mathmatical number from the +200% damage boost from both BU and FE, Chain Inductions nearly 300 damage base by level 50 and 3 Damage SOs applied to it.
And reguardless if you have friends on the forums or not.Little insulting tidbits to get other morons like PC Guy and Tamaki to chime in like little crownies that like to gang up on someone when they really have nothing to say in the first place.
Like Gnatts at a BBQ.Freakin Annoying.
And I kinda like Orcs and Trolls, so your not really insulting me.I think ill dedicate my next toon to everyone on the Forums and name it the Wirey Haired Man Goblin!Just for fun!
Then again, I dont think they would allow such a long name.Ill have to check.
As for bad advice?Your one to talk.You only chime in when you belive you can win a fight or argument.Thats a oppertoonist if I ever seen 1.
there is no where (mids, in game, city of info) to verify CI doing 1k damage.
im extremely tempted to post this in the pvp forums and let them tell you that you have NFC what you're talking about. you haven't substantiated your posts with facts, you haven't given solid information, you make claims that are flat out wrong and you don't defend them and instead name call. you good sir, perpetuate the stereotype of pvpers being jerks.
EDIT: CI's base damage isn't 300 or rather it is if every "jump" hits. which on a single target they wont so CI's actual damage will be much much less than that. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Its interesting to see im a troll when I acctually make sense when I talk.Then again.If names pointed out anything, youv already Pidgeon Holed your self as a Idiot Luck "666".What kind of little girl would be happy with having the mark of the beast on there name?
Iv figured out that a Troll on the Forums is anyone that challenges the base line idea of anyone who belives that something is the best.
By the way Tamaki.Go do the numbers on how much damage a SOd Elec/FA Scrapper can dish out before you chime in.
Chain Induction with BU+Fiery Embrace and 3 Damage SOs with PvP Numbers on a level 50 Scrapper can reach 1,000.Lightning Rod with both BU+FE and 3 Damage SOs point to a number of 800 Damage at level 50.Both before Crits are ever involved.
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i'd really like to see these numbers since in game and mids shows this to be false, especially after you factor in base pvp global resistance and the fact that unless you're lolfiteklubing, lightning rod is hard to hit with.
and no, a troll is someone who starts incites flaming. most commonly by giving bad/stupid information like you have just done. you're either hard trolling or have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. this is almost as good as when dahjee tryed to tell people that pvping with a sonic/sonic defender was good. -
Quote:yea, whats good about thunder strike broken damage, delayed damage, broken procs, and max range.Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Both Suck
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oh my lord the miss information in this thread.
edit: unless fire minded is hard trolling, don't listen to anything he has posted. -
Just wondering how a mac user would go about opening more than one instance of coh. clicking on the updater before and while the game is running doesn't bring up another updater.
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Quote:I don't think you're a fan of i13, i do think you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.Originally Posted by Neeto
Do people think im a fan of i13 or something? lol im not. Anyways i knew exaclty what happened in i13 saw it comming from PMs i got from Castle way back in i11 when he acknowledged the Flaws, Buggs, and certain OPness in the Dom AT. Since he knew it was a waste of time to fix certain issues then i knew he had something planned that when changed those issues would be addressed (I reasoned the only way for him to do it was to breakdown the whole system). I also had a feeling guys like peritus, rystorm, Ajax, lab, etc. would leave the game since this change practically broke down competitive arena PvP (reason why people left cuz of i13 is irrelavant now so why am I gonna play into this again??). So I'm gonna stop here, there's not a lot of people who know me anymore and i like to stay on the downlow as the "nobody noob who doesn't know shitz about PvP"
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Quote:because everyone knows when the dev team makes a decision, the player response should be to bend over and take it whether it is a good or bad change and then thank them all the while (ironically this is what the bulk of the player base does anyway)Originally Posted by Neeto
yeah well it's not like i like the changes from i13; some were ok and other ones not so hot. I'm not really saying anyone here's a spoiled whiny brat, But I'm just fed up with all the irrelavant topic throwbacks that are not going to help make PvP any better. The devs ain't gonna revert much of anything and putting in an i12 button in arena is honestly shamefull for a "respected" dev team to do in this industry. Even if Castle admits any balance mistake, little tweeks here and there are all we will get cuz he has to go through all these other dudes and posi.
In any event, you guys will like what GR has to offer and yeah GR is more "balanced" and 1 old AT more diverse (I just know don't ask).
(On another note, i could care less about base raids but i'd like to suggest that the base raid idea be put into arena with dev made maps. Oh i got all these red reps cuz people thought i was a fight clubber Lmao this is how ignorant forum PvP is.)
and i'd attribute your neg rep to your lack of pvp knowledge or anything related to the subject (close to saist levels) and less to just simple forum pvp. -
Quote:i've actually been wondering about this. is psi/em *that* much better than sonic? rather, is it that much better to make me reroll my sonic/em to psi/emOriginally Posted by macskull
I'd give the nod to Son/EM over Rad/EM (Rad would've been nice but they standardized the t1 and t2 recharge times, meaning you can't use N-Bolt as a proc bomb, so it doesn't have much going for it anymore), but Psi/EM is still waaaaaaaay better than the other options.
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so is that a....mechafurry?
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Quote:A) if an elec/therm didn't use heat exhaustion, then he's a stupid player and you shouldn't watch him. really after DR, the effects of sapping aren't that much different between corr and fendur (i think its like 3 points v 4 or 5 from the pve numbers of 13ish but im not sure on those numbers)Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
I watched a couple uTube videos with a Elec/Thermal Corr.He used his blasts only in Arena Fights, no Exastion.A Defender does more sapping then a Corr does.
I PvP with a Dark/Dark Defender, and i rip many players apart....Why would Elec Blasts be worse then Dark Blasts?My veiw is it wouldnt, in fact, the amount id Sap would prove devistating to anyone attacking me.If unslotted Short Circuit takes half a Bosses Endurance, what will it do to another player?
My point of veiw, is if you have no Endurance, my damage doesnt matter anyhow...your going to die reguardless.
B)well in all fairness, your toon is 38 so its harder to get a better response (level matters since most toons get their exit aka hibernoob in the patrons/epics) and dark's damage is fairly decent with gloom and dark blast. dark/dark also has 2 self heals. you are correct in that if you have no endurance, damage won't matter(to some extent anyway) but you also have to drain your target before he kills you. elec alone won't do this consistently and you'll have crappy damage to go along with an inconsistent sapp. elec's recovery debuffs are very short, short circuit is hard to hit since any decent pvper will be kiting like hell, and elec -end alone with its short recovery debuffs won't do you much good.
C) don't gage how well elec will do based on pve. like i said before, the values get DR'd a bunch, slotted short circuit will take away about a third of an end bar -
Quote:bah i simply misread the post. i read it as when the devs tried to be polite.Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
You can't lump everyone in a community with one big stamp and assume that they are all the same. Yes, the PvP community may have more "in your face" people than other communities, but it also has a lot of intelligent, knowledgeable, and polite members.
Now, go away.
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Quote:No.Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Yes I know, goto the PvP forums, but id rather not, considering nothing good ever comes from that part of the forums.
Iv been PvPing with a Dark/Dark build for practice latly, only lvl 38.Im curious how well a Dark/Elec will do in PvP, since iv seen Elec/Thermals eat Tankers in PvP, couldnt a Defender do even better?
elec/therms aren't good because of the /elec part. elec/therms are good because of heat exhaustion. elec is just a nice compliment because you can jump cancel short circuit and the other attacks and VS is awsum. its a horrible damage toon but then it doesn't need to be
dark/elec would be horrible damage and wouldn't be able to sapp anything. along with the other reasons defenders suck in pvp, the lack of phase/hiber or perception via patron/APP. low damage even with lolvig. if you want to sapp you'd need a primary that also sapps for elec to compliment it i.e. kin or therm.
EDIT: and im not really sure what is so bad about the pvp section. its not like people get overly snarky there when you're just simply asking a question like this. or any of your past threads. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Phillygirl
I wonder if the dev's ever get creeped out by the fanboi's that follow them into threads cause they stalked them in the dev's digest. That's only explanation for badge questions on the PvP forum.
Sad thing is base raids did successfully what they said they wanted I13 PvP to do which was interest non PvP'rs in PvP. Base raiding was my first PvP experience. They where beyond fun and I miss them. I really hope they will be brought back regardless of any PvE trial connection.
For those that did follow the dev post here and have a hard time understanding why the community as a whole would be so rude to a simple announcement i13 PvP changes where pushed through even after the dev's where told they would ruin PvP. They where told this in an intelligent and polite way and where still ignored. So i13 went through and poof went the PvP community and no it probably wasn't large enough to even make them blink subscription wise. But now those left are still trying to enjoy PvP though it's retarded, and yes they are angry and ignored with every issue since so getting frustrated and bitter.
Unfortunately it's loose/loose since by being angry/rude the dev's are less likely to want to help the PvP community by fixing PvP, and when they tried to be polite they where ignored anyway.
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switch em.
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Quote:Originally Posted by PC_guy
srsly, sai needs to post about pvp moar often. it brings massive lulz.
EDIT: why does mod12 keep deleting everything >:O
phat. lulz.Quote:Originally Posted by je_saist
There's a difference between sales dropping over the course of a year and half (Issue 13 was released on October 8, 2008), and sales dropping immediately signaling displeasure from the playing base.
E.G. : Compare the NCSoft financial reports from Tabula Rasa's launch / demise, or the SOE financial reports from either Planetside or Star Wars Galaxies, with those made since I13 launched. There's no equivalent steep plunge following the release of something players didn't like.
Trust me, I've been playing games where the devs pulled a Planetside, and massive amounts of players just disappeared. City of Heroes hasn't seen anything like that.
now just start trying to tell people how a sonic/sonic defender will own base raids if/when they come back and that'll be /thread from dahjee 2.0 -
Quote:Originally Posted by Inferno_Fusion
Here a Bane build for u check it out.
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.707
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Shadow Crab: Level 50 Natural Arachnos Soldier
Primary Power Set: Bane Spider Soldier
Secondary Power Set: Bane Spider Training
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Medicine
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Bash- (A) Damage Increase IO
- (43) Damage Increase IO
- (43) Damage Increase IO
- (45) Accuracy IO
- (46) Endurance Reduction IO
- (A) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Endurance
- (7) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Recharge
- (9) Impervious Skin - Endurance/Recharge
- (9) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (43) Impervious Skin - Status Resistance
- (A) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Endurance
- (3) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Recharge
- (3) Impervious Skin - Endurance/Recharge
- (5) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (5) Impervious Skin - Status Resistance
- (A) Damage Increase IO
- (46) Damage Increase IO
- (46) Accuracy IO
- (48) Accuracy IO
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (7) Run Speed IO
- (A) Disorient Duration IO
- (A) Damage Increase IO
- (11) Damage Increase IO
- (11) Damage Increase IO
- (40) Endurance Reduction IO
- (40) Accuracy IO
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (13) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (13) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (37) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (37) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (A) Healing IO
- (15) Healing IO
- (15) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (34) Miracle - +Recovery
- (A) Accuracy IO
- (17) Accuracy IO
- (17) Accuracy IO
- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (19) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (19) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
- (31) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
- (31) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (21) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (21) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (29) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
- (31) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/Endurance
- (23) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (23) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
- (25) Impervious Skin - Status Resistance
- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (25) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (27) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
- (27) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
- (29) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Karma - Knockback Protection
- (37) Endurance Reduction IO
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
- (34) Endurance Reduction IO
- (A) Karma - Defense/Endurance
- (48) Karma - Defense/Recharge
- (48) Karma - Knockback Protection
- (A) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (33) Obliteration - Damage
- (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
- (33) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
- (34) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (A) Immobilisation Duration IO
- (36) Immobilisation Duration IO
- (36) Accuracy IO
- (36) Endurance Reduction IO
- (A) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Endurance
- (39) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage
- (39) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Recharge
- (39) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (40) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Hold Duration IO
- (42) Hold Duration IO
- (42) Endurance Reduction IO
- (42) Endurance Reduction IO
- (A) Defense Buff IO
- (45) Defense Buff IO
- (45) Defense Buff IO
- (A) Interrupt Reduction IO
- (A) Healing IO
- (50) Healing IO
- (50) Interrupt Reduction IO
- (50) Interrupt Reduction IO
Level 1: Brawl- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
Level 6: Ninja Run
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didn't cath quit? for global agenda?
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srsly, sai needs to post about pvp moar often. it brings massive lulz.
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Quote:you areOriginally Posted by Gammos
I don't think /EA is good for PvP..but I could be mistaken.