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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Yes I know, goto the PvP forums, but id rather not, considering nothing good ever comes from that part of the forums.
Iv been PvPing with a Dark/Dark build for practice latly, only lvl 38.Im curious how well a Dark/Elec will do in PvP, since iv seen Elec/Thermals eat Tankers in PvP, couldnt a Defender do even better? |
elec/therms aren't good because of the /elec part. elec/therms are good because of heat exhaustion. elec is just a nice compliment because you can jump cancel short circuit and the other attacks and VS is awsum. its a horrible damage toon but then it doesn't need to be
dark/elec would be horrible damage and wouldn't be able to sapp anything. along with the other reasons defenders suck in pvp, the lack of phase/hiber or perception via patron/APP. low damage even with lolvig. if you want to sapp you'd need a primary that also sapps for elec to compliment it i.e. kin or therm.
EDIT: and im not really sure what is so bad about the pvp section. its not like people get overly snarky there when you're just simply asking a question like this. or any of your past threads.
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I watched a couple uTube videos with a Elec/Thermal Corr.He used his blasts only in Arena Fights, no Exastion.A Defender does more sapping then a Corr does.|
Originally Posted by PC_guy
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elec/therms aren't good because of the /elec part. elec/therms are good because of heat exhaustion. elec is just a nice compliment because you can jump cancel short circuit and the other attacks and VS is awsum. its a horrible damage toon but then it doesn't need to be dark/elec would be horrible damage and wouldn't be able to sapp anything. along with the other reasons defenders suck in pvp, the lack of phase/hiber or perception via patron/APP. low damage even with lolvig. if you want to sapp you'd need a primary that also sapps for elec to compliment it i.e. kin or therm. EDIT: and im not really sure what is so bad about the pvp section. its not like people get overly snarky there when you're just simply asking a question like this. or any of your past threads. |
I PvP with a Dark/Dark Defender, and i rip many players apart....Why would Elec Blasts be worse then Dark Blasts?My veiw is it wouldnt, in fact, the amount id Sap would prove devistating to anyone attacking me.If unslotted Short Circuit takes half a Bosses Endurance, what will it do to another player?
My point of veiw, is if you have no Endurance, my damage doesnt matter anyhow...your going to die reguardless.
Like PC Guy said, electric has to be paired with another draining powerset in order to be effective. Your current dark/dark will do better in most situations than this dark/elec would, since the to-hit debuffing you'd lose wouldn't be made up for with your end drain.
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A) if an elec/therm didn't use heat exhaustion, then he's a stupid player and you shouldn't watch him. really after DR, the effects of sapping aren't that much different between corr and fendur (i think its like 3 points v 4 or 5 from the pve numbers of 13ish but im not sure on those numbers)|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
I watched a couple uTube videos with a Elec/Thermal Corr.He used his blasts only in Arena Fights, no Exastion.A Defender does more sapping then a Corr does.
I PvP with a Dark/Dark Defender, and i rip many players apart....Why would Elec Blasts be worse then Dark Blasts?My veiw is it wouldnt, in fact, the amount id Sap would prove devistating to anyone attacking me.If unslotted Short Circuit takes half a Bosses Endurance, what will it do to another player? My point of veiw, is if you have no Endurance, my damage doesnt matter anyhow...your going to die reguardless. |
B)well in all fairness, your toon is 38 so its harder to get a better response (level matters since most toons get their exit aka hibernoob in the patrons/epics) and dark's damage is fairly decent with gloom and dark blast. dark/dark also has 2 self heals. you are correct in that if you have no endurance, damage won't matter(to some extent anyway) but you also have to drain your target before he kills you. elec alone won't do this consistently and you'll have crappy damage to go along with an inconsistent sapp. elec's recovery debuffs are very short, short circuit is hard to hit since any decent pvper will be kiting like hell, and elec -end alone with its short recovery debuffs won't do you much good.
C) don't gage how well elec will do based on pve. like i said before, the values get DR'd a bunch, slotted short circuit will take away about a third of an end bar
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This is incorrect, Corruptor and Defender sap numbers are identical (according to mids). This is both in PvE and PvP standpoints. PvP is even worse numbers with short circuit unenhanced doing -11% Endurance. Sapping should probably not be a major component of your PvP strategy, but that'd just be my non-PvP looking at it. And as is stated before, PvP wise, you're probably much better off with your Dark/Dark due to the stacking THD.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
A Defender does more sapping then a Corr does.
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| My point of veiw, is if you have no Endurance, my damage doesnt matter anyhow...your going to die reguardless. |
In short, your theory is nice, but your practice will probably make you pull your hair out... assuming you don't get Assassin Struck before you can.
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I can agree with alot of whats said, just the fact that almost every stalker i encounter is a freakin Spines and uses Impale like its going out of style.Being Assassin Striked doesnt bother me much oddly enough.I stand still and wait for Stalkers to come get my Dark/Dark Defender as it is.Dark Servant has a damage aura that cant be shu down by a Mez.I just stand in him, and they wont get that AS off.(90% of the time that is.It doesnt always hit.)|
Originally Posted by StormyDarkness
This is incorrect, Corruptor and Defender sap numbers are identical (according to mids). This is both in PvE and PvP standpoints. PvP is even worse numbers with short circuit unenhanced doing -11% Endurance. Sapping should probably not be a major component of your PvP strategy, but that'd just be my non-PvP looking at it. And as is stated before, PvP wise, you're probably much better off with your Dark/Dark due to the stacking THD.
This is true, but players are not NPCs. If they see you trying to sap (short circuit whatnot), they won't just stand about allowing you to sap. They'll be moving around making Short Circuit really hard to utilize, some (Stalker/Brutes/Doms) will actually have the upper hand if in melee of you without something to back it up, and if things start looking poorly, they'll run away a lot faster than that Crey mob will (assuming they don't just stand and wait for enough endurance to attack). In short, your theory is nice, but your practice will probably make you pull your hair out... assuming you don't get Assassin Struck before you can. |
As for Brutes trying to take me down?they have a drag out fight tryingt o do so with my Dark/Dark, so id more then likly take down there endurance rather quick.
Short Circuit by the way obeys the rules as every other power in the game.Meaning if you land by a target, in this case a player, and trigger it and they take off and are 300 feet away from you when it goes off, they are still hit by it.Its the same thing that allows a Stalker to nail a player thats hopping around with Super Jump with a AS in the first place.Same concept and iv tested for authenticity.Its a fact.They dont have to stay there to be hit by it.
The -toHit Buff will be missed, but the Dark Miasma Primary for a defender easly makes up for this.
Hi,
good luck for zoning with that thing. You'll have better chances in 1vs1 arena... but in zone, besides of team assist, i can't see how ...
Anyway, (not high expensive builds, so...)
- Electric epic mastery, if you want to go sap-route (and the hold is your best damaging tool)
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Good luck... you'll need it.
Did some checking and found that the numbers for PvP and -End are diffrent for a Corruptor then a Defender by 15%.
However the -Recovery is the same base for both ATs.
Short Ciruit does -100% End Recovery for the same amount of time as a Defender.So that part is Valid Enough.
Lightning Ball does more damage, and so does the Nuke in PvP.By almost twice the amount a Defenders base does.
So I conceeded, and deleted my Dark/Elec Defender in favor for a Corruptor.The Scourge was just too enjoyable when used with my Attacks, and may be more useful in PvP then my Defender could be.
lol taking Ball Lightning and the nuke in PvP
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Ball Lightning on a Corruptor is like 80ish base damage or whatever for PvP at lvl 50.Twice the amount of a Defenders Ball Lightning and Twice the damage of a Fire Blast Corrs Fireball in PvP.(I have to look the acctual number up).|
Originally Posted by macskull
lol taking Ball Lightning and the nuke in PvP
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The nuke even though its got a crash is 233 damage base in PvP for a Corruptor at lvl 50, and a Defender is around 130ish (Again, I need to look up exact number for this.)
However, Scourge makes these 2 powers useful even in PvP.The Nuke has a substantial -end recovery on it, so carry a couple blues, nail someone with it and maybe a short circuit, and beat them down.
Also Ball Lightning is a DoT, and thats 1 of the main reasons why id take it in the first place.To fight Stalkers.Which Dark Miasma can do once you get Dark Servant.
I can destroy stalkers half the time on my Dark/Dark Defender, which is only lvl 37 and on SOs.Im betting it might be a bit harder fighting a Elec/Dark Corruptor for many diffrent things that my Dark/Dark Defender cant handle, maybe not, but thats the chance im willing to take.
Almost forgot, I dont really move alot when I play with Dark Miasma in PvP.So the AoEs can be helpful.Iv faced down 2-4 stalkers at a time and lived long enough to kill 1 or 2 before i went down, mainly because of the lack of any AoEs in my build setup.
Most Brutes cant handle me either on my Defender.So Im guessing the Corr should do twice as well, but it is my 15 bucks a month.
have fun, i like free rep/IOs
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So do I there Duckie.So do I.|
Originally Posted by macskull
have fun, i like free rep/IOs
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Yes I know, goto the PvP forums, but id rather not, considering nothing good ever comes from that part of the forums.
Iv been PvPing with a Dark/Dark build for practice latly, only lvl 38.Im curious how well a Dark/Elec will do in PvP, since iv seen Elec/Thermals eat Tankers in PvP, couldnt a Defender do even better?