PC_guy

i really don't think time is the issue here. even with everything they've been working on, there is plenty of time within a 3 year span to, at the very least, do simple bug fixes. bugs that have been around that long.

yea, they don't have to talk to the pvp community, but its common courtesy. its not just on the forums either, i've had friends go to SDCC and ask ww about pvp only to get shut down. the fact of the matter is that if any playerbase in any game got a massive change like that to the point where it makes a game not fun, any remaining people who wouldn't have left from /rage would be doing everything they can to try and get a fix.

waiting so that the remaining pvp playerbase leaves so the devs don't have to do anything about it? brilliant.

we basically already have this in the 4 sticky'd threads in the top of the pvp sections. as well as multiple people PMing various devs with changes/question. thats not the problem.

the problem is the devs/paragon studios/whoever acknowledging theres a problem, listening and communicating with the player base, and ultimately fixing these problems. if you say the word pvp to a dev they instantly say "i can't comment on that".

there has been no (zero, zilch, zip, nada) communication or interaction with the pvp community by the devs to the pvp community since i13 hit(and even before so). until that gets fixed, there is no way to fix anything.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=238513

their base damages should be the same, CS doing abit more since it can't crit. CS's base damage is now 440 in pvp where total focus's is 240.

no one is better off by hiring sai for anything.


but honestly, I really don't think it'd be all that bad for a current mod.

keep in mind the way to go about that would be to put for some effort, where the devs actually listen to the 5+ issues of feedback on how to fix everything. All pvpers want is to be heard.
the fact of the matter is, all those threads have degraded into "pvpsucks" and "loli13pvp" threads because there is little point to repeatedly putting effort into a thread that you know won't get taken seriously by the devs because the ones that actually do use numbers, logic, and reason, don't get any attention.

putting a dev(i guess it'd be more of a community rep) to simply relay the information would be a simple task that has apparently proven to much for the current dev team.

or just take an already existing mod and add pvp relations to his to do list.

No

not really.

we had a few events a few months(kickball, zone events, ladders) back that generated a fair amount of interest on the forums from both regulars on the server and people who don't play on the server. yet no one ever showed up. and after 2 months of trying and advertising we gave up cause no one showed up.

being proactive about something doesn't really matter unless it effects your end result i.e. people showing up.

even if total focus as a direct port, it'd still do less damage than the current incarnation of CS. just because CS's current base damage is easily double what it should be. its base damage should be on par with Total focus, give or take 20 points.

which i don't think is unreasonable. the big difference between the two is you have devs directly tied to RP (jay and babs to some extent) where as pvp doesn't.

but an important thing to understand is that pvper just want their voiced to be heard which for the longest time, they haven't. putting 1 dev in charge to sort out the absolute mess the current dev team has made it is completely unreasonable. it'll take the entire dev team to fix it and atleast one (or at the very least, one of the current devs to act as a liason like RPers have) to maintain it.

2 hero merits could be gotten in your spare time. i mean really getting inf and especially acquiring rare recipes has become very very easy thanks to alignment merits.

won't be a problem in i19

I don't really see how this is a problem. you really shouldn't be turning your toggles on and off in zones.

not trying to argue with you, just presenting options

well they had a fairly strong pvp playerbase before they drove them all away. also i think its important to note that everything since RV and pvp zones, was in complete disreguard of pvp player feedback. see lighthouse's "i13 wasn't for pvpers and obtw im leaving" post.

didn't we just get the party pack? and don't they add new costumes and emotes with every issue? and wasn't there a massive issue about power customization relatively recently? I do agree that bases need love. hopefully when they bring base raids back



except they really didn't. they tried to make pvp more accessible to the people who have never pvped which isn't wasn't and never was the way to go about it. disregarding a current playerbase of any community for a massive change isn't the way to go about it. they never really tried to work on pvp, they just kind of half ***** it and when it back fired they washed their hands of it and literally haven't talked about pvp or anything related since 3 years ago. see all the pvp bug fixes that have yet to be changed in 3 years.

No. I want a collaboration of the devs to work out everything pvp related. and base raid related. which could all be done within the span of 1 issue. which for not acknowledging a certain playerbase exists for the past 5 issues i don't think is too much to ask for.

I'd like 1 dev to accurately listen the player base and report back to the other devs because the current dev team has shown an amazing inability to do so in regards to the pvp community. and from the times i've talked to mod08, he's basically doing this. granted i don't know how vocal he is (he says very but D.

note this isn't entirely true. as a matter of fact there were afew numbers. in lighthouse's goodbye post, he cited the pvp community, which he defined as being players who spent on average 1 hour a week in pvp, to be around 10-15% and that was given around i11 beta. it's also safe to say that the community like any other, fluctuated and could have easily been as high as 20% at its peak. now clearly after i13 that number dropped considerably but that was entirely dev caused.

also just saying that you've met more RPers so there must be more of them isn't quiet as substantial as it sounds. especially when you facter in that up until the character copy tool was broken, the majority (almost all) high end pvp took place on the test server. and also that Rpers are a much much more social group than PvPers and most pvpers never want to be noticed anyway.

this is entirely not true. the pvp community does not, in any way, want a experience where not all archtypes have a chance to win.

if we did, we'd be happy with the current incarnation of pvp. hell pre-13, many many many more ATs and powersets had a better chance to win than they do now. I don't know what pvp community you've been talking to, but going into RV and being overrun by scrapper with hibernate and sharks and your buffing characters are completely useless isn't a fun environment.

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macskull?

I really really doubt that.

my personal favorite was when you claimed to have only been wrong once in 4 years then advised someone to make a spines/shield scrapper for max damage. phat lulz ensued.

well yea but a task that requires you to have 24 people to run is much harder to do when the only incentive to accomplish such a a task is for the sheer challenge of it. make the reward bigger doesn't change the difficulty but it makes it more enticing for people to run making it easier to find willing bodies which for some people, is the hardest part of the trial.

people will do it once for the badge, merits and to say they've done it and then probably wont do it again because it has little replay value due to not having a decent reward.

I don't think anyone wants the trial to be easier or less difficult or have an easy button, personally i think its about time they implemented something hard atleast in terms of everything else in game and even if it is a watered down a pointless version of its form self.

I don't think that really helps the rewards for the trial since it still isn't worth doing after the first attempt, rather many people will do it once for the badge/experience and there is little incentive to run it again. even if it is 21 merits for the first run, 10 merits after for the amount of work put into it is laughable. Now of course this is what happens when rewards are based on time (which is i assume why the merits were set so low in the first place) but there should be something else rewarded to make the trial worth doing. maybe an HO reward or a buff to the temp powers rewarded. (or you could bring back base raids and IoP, but thats an entirely different can of pvp worms so who am i kidding with this one). I'm hesitant to bring up the difficulty and how to change it because i really like how there has finally been something added that is hard to do but at the very least, there has to be some reason to do it.

just my thoughts on the trial

wait, since when did this game have level 50 content? and since when did IO'ing a toon have a point?

more importantly why do people care so much about badges when the large majority of them have absolutely nothing to do with the game?

didn't this entire thing result in no pvp?

the levels of stuff doesn't change, you just get the powers now. thats it.

everything is the same in how you slot pre-chance, now you just get your next 5 levels worth of powers.

but he also pointed out the major flaw in that a successful run is completely dependent on the players and that alot of servers have trouble finding 24 people to do it, let alone those be competent players, which from my experience is becoming increasingly harder to find. but you're right, theres no point for those people to learn the trail and get better and use other strategies than "get a bigger hammer" if theres no reward for doing the trail, or when the only reward is so small that there isn't a point in doing it more than once. I'm still advocating a fairly large buff to the temp powers(mainly because you can't farm these) since, as you stated earlier, a change to the merit reward would make it an easy farmable trail once people actually learn it.

but he's having fun and got to 350 rep so all builds be damned.

how about some pvp fixes? ya know, while you're in an addressing mood

because prestige has so many uses.