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They upped the base, not the max.
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Originally Posted by ChaosEternite
I read that i18 upped Flight speed by 30%. Is Flight now viable in PvP or is it still the slowest? And more specifically, how about for a Scrapper?
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ie, still bad. Flight still only really works for PBs and thats cause they pretty much have to use it.
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Originally Posted by PlanetKiller
They upped the base, not the max.
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yea the max wasn't increased so its still pretty slow. not to mention all the -fly floating around. ss/sj is just much much more versatile.
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Originally Posted by ChaosEternite
I read that i18 upped Flight speed by 30%. Is Flight now viable in PvP or is it still the slowest? And more specifically, how about for a Scrapper?
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Positron's i13 letter: We are trying to make PvP more accessible to new players, while giving experienced PvP'ers the advantage that comes with formulating tactics around the new systems we're putting in place. PvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.
I've seen TA use fly well bc they were slotted for extra range and -fly anyone that even attempts to get near them. A scrp that deals melee dmg prob won't do so well flying around.
I like Fly on my Stalkers, but most folks just think I'm weird... 
As others said - top end speed is unchanged. Also, if I understand it right,
(can't recall where I read it tho), there is also a bug, so currently, it caps
easier than intended.
That saves slots currently, but who knows if that will change.
As for *why* I like fly on a Stalker:
1> Patrolling - it's much easier to spot targets, and since you're invisible
(you *are* stealth capped, right?) there's no detriment at this point.
2> If you're flight capped - you can still follow most targets even if they
are faster. First, you have no obstacles, unlike speeders and jumpers.
Next, from the air, you can quickly predict where they're headed in most
cases and short-cut the route. Finally, you're only about ~15-25 mph
slower (about sprint's worth) and most PvP areas are small enough that
you can typically keep the guy targeted most (if not all) of the way.
Downsides:
1> It costs more end (though arguably that may be break-even for those
running both SS & SJ)... In any case, it definitely needs at least a slot or two.
2> With the irritating Stealth IO changes, you now have to AS while in
Fly, which is a royal pita. You'll lose capped stealth the instant you shut
Fly off, and since perception is on at all times, your odds of consistently
getting an AS off drop drastically out of fly (assuming that's where your
IO is)....
This one is almost enough to respec out of Fly entirely - haven't done so
yet, but it's a serious drawback imho.
3> -Fly... This isn't anywhere near as big a deal imho. First, you have to
be seen... Next, if you've picked your tgt well, while he's webnading you,
you're killing him... I'll take that trade every time. Finally, if you're getting
webnaded by your tgt's teammate, A> I question your target selection
logic and B> It's probably time for Invisibility (which doesn't surpress)
and Phase, and bid a fond farewell to your would-be murderers... 
Conventional Wisdom (such as it is) still leans heavily towards SS/SJ. YMMV.
Regards,
4
I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
Light is faster than sound - that's why some people look smart until they speak.
For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
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put it in sprint?
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With the irritating Stealth IO changes, you now have to AS while in Fly, which is a royal pita |
Positron's i13 letter: We are trying to make PvP more accessible to new players, while giving experienced PvP'ers the advantage that comes with formulating tactics around the new systems we're putting in place. PvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.
Fly is indeed still the slowest travel power, and doesn't work for everyone. I very rarely see any melee users with Fly, other than AzA. I've been using fly for a loooooong time. Wouldn't swap it out for the world. However with the new fitness inherent coming, I'll be adding SS. =)
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That's a possibility certainly, but hardly ideal for a few reasons.|
Originally Posted by PC_guy
put it in sprint?
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1> Celerity is 5X more inf than Freebird (this morning's prices), and in my
case, it would also entail respecs (more a pita than a problem)
2> Fly & Sprint at same time (to maintain Stealth while patrolling) is pretty
spendy on End -- especially on a tightly built, staminaless stalker.
3> My travel powers have binds, and of course, you can't turn multiple
toggles ON with a 1 press bind (although OFF is no problem)
So, yeah, there's nothing major there, but all of it is irritating for a change
that appears to have been largely PvE (hostage escorts / kidnaps) driven.
Regards,
4
I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
Light is faster than sound - that's why some people look smart until they speak.
For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
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2 hero merits could be gotten in your spare time. i mean really getting inf and especially acquiring rare recipes has become very very easy thanks to alignment merits. |
Originally Posted by FourSpeed
That's a possibility certainly, but hardly ideal for a few reasons.
1> Celerity is 5X more inf than Freebird (this morning's prices), and in my case, it would also entail respecs (more a pita than a problem) |
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2> Fly & Sprint at same time (to maintain Stealth while patrolling) is pretty spendy on End -- especially on a tightly built, staminaless stalker. |
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3> My travel powers have binds, and of course, you can't turn multiple toggles ON with a 1 press bind (although OFF is no problem) |
not trying to argue with you, just presenting options
Positron's i13 letter: We are trying to make PvP more accessible to new players, while giving experienced PvP'ers the advantage that comes with formulating tactics around the new systems we're putting in place. PvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.
No offense taken.
Cash isn't an issue - and yeah, I *could* buy it with inf, reward merits,
or A-merits already... But, I'm cheap, the builds are long-done, and from a
PvP perspective, it's Yet-Another-Pointless change - that I'd have to pay
extra to fix (when it wasn't broken in the first place). That's the issue.
I'd still be looking at (needless) respecs and losing frankenslotted bonuses
from Freebird IOs on the various stalkers that have them.
I haven't seen an ETA on I-19 either, so counting on that isn't much of a
panacea, and even so, it only helps the End issue.
If/Once End is not an issue, then, yeah, I'd just leave Sprint on, but it's
still a bit of a pig during combat (when Stealth is supressed and Sprint
wouldn't be needed anyway). Keep in mind, that I'm not turning toggles
off in zones... I never needed *this* one in the first place... If you're
counting Fly as a "toggle" that's a bit of a reach...
That said, I may well mull the idea around some more when I19 is nearer
with it's likely freespec .
In the meantime, it's irritating, but I'll deal with it as it is. If it really gets
to bugging me, I'll just turn into a "Trow Sharks" spammer, or find other
more enjoyable things to do...
As I said - it's a possibility, but hardly an ideal solution.
Regards,
4
I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
Light is faster than sound - that's why some people look smart until they speak.
For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
I read that i18 upped Flight speed by 30%. Is Flight now viable in PvP or is it still the slowest? And more specifically, how about for a Scrapper?