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Quote:we have been listening to customer feedback about pvp 2.0 and decided that is was time to remove DR, HD, TS and Mez Resistance only! Also, we have greatly increased PvP IO drop rates so you don't have to afk farm anymore or spend 3+ billion off the market for certain pvp rewards!Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
ok guys. we had Statesman and Lord Recluse versions, it's time for a Positron version.
*looks down after shower*
"hey guys... is this suppossed to glow like that?"
BUT THAT'S NOT ALL!
our next set of improvements will be to evaluate each power set individually for pvp viability and competitiveness so that all power sets can bring something to the pvp table!
i know we have ignored you for a long time but thank you for your loyalty and patience!
love and kisses,
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interesting thread.
imo rl girls > cat girls. i r like pussycat much more than pixelatedcat but that's just me. meow
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lots of interesting ideas and food for thought. keep those gears grinding people!
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if you were given the opportunity by the devs to revamp all things economy and reward related how would you do it?
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i would like to know so i can send out some pms to the right peep(s).
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Quote:apparently you would rather be on the trademark bandwagon than read, pay attention and think before you post.Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
read, pay attention and think first before you post replies in the future.
i'll simplify things for you and your funny logic.
the Hero/Villain merit stores have nothing to do with the DROP TIMERS IN PVP ZONES AND ARENAS.
If you want to complain about the drop timers for pvp IOs when they drop from pvp, that's a completely different issue.
point is mr. pot calling the kettle black, you look pretty "asinine" calling me "mr. troll" for complaining about a reward and game system then jumping threads and complain about a reward and game system.
i know you won't get it now so i will be patient from now on and let slide your trademark bandwagon insults because i have faith that you will eventually understand things 2 years later just like MB.
once they added pvp IO rewards to the hvam system it became a big part of this "asinine" pvp package. -
Quote:toe tagger had many valid points. sorry to hear that you would consider someone like that a "moaner" because he/she was not complaining about badges, costumes and such.Originally Posted by HardRider
Everytime i read a moaners thread, talk to someone who isnt coming bk, who wants to come bk etc etc they always mention how "PvP is broken" but never say what is broken and just refers to issue "x".
so you the community who like to kick the snot out of eachother
How is PvP broken? i'm sick of people saying it is and when asked nvr answers.
If you lot mean about fairness then surely that is PvP, PvP is never meant to be fair.
And as you may of guess i dont PvP...but is thinking about it more.
pvp has been discussed a lot so find the info, read it, go pvp and chances are you will come back to these forums moaning about it.
for someone who has been here since at least 2007 you sure don't know much. i would suggest that you get off the bandwagon, start thinking independently, read some patch notes, participate in pvp or whatever activity before you try to bash a "moaner" who has more experience and understanding than you. -
Quote:yes it wouldn't do anything except get rid of some current subscribers and their friends, have one less feature than other "mainstream" mmos, prevent potential customers who have some interest in pvp from joining and alienate more and more people when they get bored with pve or see pvp as endgame content.Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
And once again the title of this thread is complete fallacy.
City of Heroes could expunge pvp altogether and it wouldn't do ANYTHING at all to the game's overall bottom line.
Whether the OP wants to face it or not (or continue to stick his head in the sand like a certain bird) a majority of players couldn't care less about pvp. I'd bet money that those that do actually play games were competitive gameplay actually works well.
I bet money (again) that if the devs ran an informal poll and asked which players cared about the devs focusing on for I20, pvp would be one of the things to come in dead last, if not last. Especially since ENDGAME is the one thing that has been clamored for, for oh I don't know the past 3 years. I HIGHLY doubt most of the playerbase would be pleased if the devs turned around and said "hey guess what, we're going to improve pvp as endgame".
Just saying.
i think you are missing the parts where i'm quoting positron, just sayin'
edit- who really has their head in the sand like a certain bird? me or the development team that created this "asinine" pvp system who made promises to paying customers but never followed through? -
Quote:Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Heh, very cute indeed. The HVAM wasn't poorly thought out for what it is. It's pve rewards for pve that's all. The pvp rewards part was just tacked on and is irrelevant to the I13 pvp rules. The I13 pvp rules could revert back to I12 and that would have nothing to do with HVAM merits. Those are fine as is.
sooooo logically one has nothing to do with the other. But I'll leave you to your funny logic.
Now if you want to talk about increasing the timers for pvp IOs in pvp let's have that discussion. Talking about HVAM merits is irrelevant and has NOTHING to do with that, as the timers on drops for pvp IOs in pvp were borked before HVAMs and still are.
read, pay attention and think first before you post replies in the future.
i'll simplify things for you and your funny logic.
you call me a "troll" for pointing out an "asinine" system and wanting tangible rewards with reasonable timers and cost
but
you who called me a "troll" is now in another thread pointing out an "asinine" system and wanting tangible rewards with reasonable timers.
so
if complaining about a game system makes one a "troll" as you say then by your own definition we are both in the same boat. funny how that works out huh?
but
just keep on trying to insult others for complaining until it suits your purpose to complain.
all in all though i'm really glad to see some real logic being used by you about this pvp topic. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Memphis_BillBut labeling it as "For the future of the product" as the OP did is, frankly, laughable.Quote:Originally Posted by Optical_Illusionpvp for the future of the product.let us look at that again.Quote:Originally Posted by PositronPvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.
Quote:Originally Posted by Memphis_BillBut labeling it as "For the future of the product" as the OP did is, frankly, laughable.Quote:Originally Posted by Optical_Illusionpvp for the future of the product.just incase you missed it.Quote:Originally Posted by PositronPvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.
Quote:Originally Posted by Memphis_BillBut labeling it as "For the future of the product" as the OP did is, frankly, laughable.Quote:Originally Posted by Optical_Illusionpvp for the future of the product.Quote:Originally Posted by PositronPvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.
laughable? the only things laughable are the trademark bandwagon responses from trademark bandwagon people like you who would rather be trademark bandwagon ignorant and do the trademark bandwagon insult optical illusion instead of actually doing some reading and objective thinking.
bill if you and your trademark bandwagon friends paid more attention and gave less trademark bandwagon attitudes then maybe you all would learn more from people like me and this game would be better.
it took you almost 2 years to understand what was going on with pvp and all it took me was reading beta patch notes. get over yourself and give me a little more respect or don't and just keep on doing the trademark bandwagon flame, insult and telling others to ignore me for not being a part of the trademark bandwagon group and then end up agreeing with me about things almost 2 years down the road when your brain actually starts to process and comprehend things.
eat more crow and less trademark bandwagon. -
Quote:the devs apparently changed pvp for ALL of us my friend.Originally Posted by Schismatrix
0.o
Who is this "all of us" you refer to in that sentence? The majority of players don't pvp, so you're obviously not talking about the playerbase as a whole. Not convinced that working on a feature that a rather small percentage of players use will be significant to the future of the product.
That said, i would like to see some changes made to pvp mechanics. Making pvp closer to pve again would be a nice change in my opinion. While i've never been a regular pvper i did like it more prior to the i13 mechanics.
you (and many others) are prejudice against "minority" groups until it suits your purpose. there are a whole bunch of significant "minority" groups in this game that are catered to (well except for a few groups like multibuild users for example who are looking to be treated with equality with freespecs when powers are changed (me) and those looking to stack freespecs for IO swapping (you).) because doing so creates a well rounded product, and the pvp "minority" group should not be the exception. considering that pvpers must spend a significant amount of time in pve land it makes them part of the "larger" group(s) by default.
good to see that you are part of the pvp "minority" group that wants some rational changes because it suits your purpose. -
Quote:i can see why you don't post very often.Originally Posted by RidgwaysDemon
srry im not much of a "Forum Posting type" *obviously if u seeze me post log* but w/e the math is i am an extreamly active PvP'er wheter it be zone or arena, and 1st thing i gotta say is WHOA!!!!!!.....stop the QQing ppl this is a video game designed for MILLIONS OF PPL (atleast tentionally its not designed for just YOU, NUCKLEHEAD (meaning u if i think i do) yall need to learn to adapt and prevail, this game gets better every patch (EXCLUDING the release of AE, wich i personally think it DESTROYED this games population) PvP atm is very well balancend its just most the time your getting ganked by 5 or more ppl cuz most crowd and favor sides, yall somehow forgot not any At is supposed to beat any At 1 vs 1 if that was the cae then YES PvP would be UNBALANCED and would be TOO easy, all u would need is 1 toon if anything can beat anything DUH.......and why would we EVER wanna go back to i12 PvP rules? r u SERIOUS? u wanna go to PvP or arena just to sit through 2 minutes of being held unless yur a scrap/tank/brute/stalk? ok then lets make it back to the 4 major PvP toons minus Doms wich lets face it were good back then BUT.......ur gonna get *****/ganked/gagged and bagged in zone soon as ppl knows yur there so what fun is that, im not the type to look for easy kills and i dont wanna kill the same person repeaditly thats RETARDED i wanna kill 1 and move on now that i13 is out we dont have to worry about toggle dropping, or being held by any well slotted hold toon until u die, and YES the system they has now DOES work VERY WELL actually, if u really think about it. Its not hard to tell, its still very challenging for Veterans due to excessive AT & build compition and keeping up with FotM as well as easy to learn and expeirience as a NewB. the DR helps for ppl who DONT know how to slot and use crap like SO's and reg IO's w/e. Yall just need to Man-Up and adjust, its a video game YOUR SUPPOSED TO DIE....
as for the new i19 fitness pool inherent.....its a feature that should have started standard that way.......fitness Always should have been an inherent its about TIME.....ofc it will make PvP more diff but ISN THAT WHAT WE WANT? DONT WE BEG FOR A CHALLENGE? PvP aint easy......its just easy to Gank!!!!!
Also to touch down on ppl who use "Phase Shift" lmao u guys r NooBs NOBODY needs Phase.......again ITS A VIDEO GAME YOUR SUPPOSED TO DIE........besides all u really need is invis and some decent run speed if u dont has that then u should expect to die more than not, phase doesnt stop u from being killed.....its just a waste of power wich u coulda used for somthing that WOULD HELP u kill instead of being killed or needing to pop phase in the 1st place XD
oh yea 1 nire thing before i go.......NOTHING IS O.P......NOTHING!!!!!!
if we were all in PvP with 0 enhancments what AT would just be GOD?......NONE because with out enhancments yur toon aint squat......with that said.....different strokes for different folks, ppl build/slot differently SO some r BETTER than others i.e. i can hit u with "Brawl" for 500dmg but u can only hit me for 100dmg why? cuz i slot better XD nothing is OP so stop QQ'ing and maiking the devs tyena fix **** that aint broke YOUR BROKE or u cant MAN-UP and ADJUST
rp fight club pvp and pvp are two different things. you should try pvp some time.
meow
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way cool on the inherent fitness pool devs! meow
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would now be a good time to sell unused purples and pvp ios? why?
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memphis bill i'm really liking how you agree with me about pvp almost 2 years after our initial i13 beta song and dance. it's really awsome.
aura familia i'm just wondering how you can call me a "troll" for pointing out the poorly thought out hvam system and was looking for something more reasonable but you are now here wanting "tangible rewards on reasonable timers" and complaining about the "many asinine i13 pvp rules". pot calling the kettle black?
it is very interesting how some of you feel entitled to complain or oppose a game play mechanic when it suits your purpose but are problematic and insulting when others complain or oppose something.
all very cute though, glad to see more objective thought, and more people wanting better pvp mechanics and rewards at a reasonable rate. -
i love you guys! have fun! meow
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Quote:i went through alignment missions on all of my toons and after the first couple it became very uniteresting. then i got to thinking how uninteresting/boring/lame it would be to even earn a respec using this method considering the amount of time it took to take my toons through roughly equaled the time it would take to get 1 respec using this method, let alone getting some of the "phat loot" available.Originally Posted by Siolfir
I don't consider it "lame", but I do have trouble getting myself interested enough to even worry about getting the first alignment merit on anyone. I've been playing through the arcs and reading them (or actual side switching) instead... and if I wanted purple drops I'd simply get my SS/FA and kill things by the dozens in far less time than it used to take.
there are different (not necessarily better as far as game play is concerned) and less time consuming ways to achieve these rewards. this system, among others, should be reevaluated for the fun factor so players can actually play the game and earn rewards at a resonable rate. -
Quote:the only thing juvenile is that you are here to insult me and not really contribute to the topic.Originally Posted by Zombie Man
You fail to see how lame it is that an adult uses the word 'lame' in the way you do.
A post explaining the great discrepancies in amount of work needed in the different paths to the same reward is laudable and should be taken seriously.
Calling it a 'code red lame alert' is just juvenile. -
Quote:can you please explain in greater detail how you think the time/prices for 1 respec, 1 purple or pvp IO is reasonable compared?Originally Posted by Schismatrix
In your lame opinion it's lame. Right, got it.
i think the prices are fairly reasonable.
So what if it's cheaper to buy some (respec, natch) recipes on the market than by using VampireHAMS? The same is also true for most recipes that can be purchased using regular merits.
But don't let that stop you. Quick, use lame again a few times to increase the amount of lame in your posts. (i'd forgotten that people still used lame. i thought it was a pretty dated term. Apparently it's coming back into vogue? *huh*)
or are you just going to keep trying to insult me and eventually post a statement agreeing in a different manner when it suits your purpose (wanting freespec stacking for IO swapping but not for forced power changes and only have 1 freespec for 2 builds)? -
Quote:i think the numbers are lame and im pretty sure others think so as well when they look at them.Originally Posted by Ironblade
No, the numbers are not inherently lame. You just THINK they are lame. There seems to be widespread disagreement with your position. I certainly disagree.
i would hardly call the same 5 people who follow my threads around and disagree just because its me as "widespread".
its cute though really. it does not bother me, just makes posting here interesting and fun.
you all can disagree as much as you want but i still get my message out there and that is the main point to posting. -
Quote:/em golf clapOriginally Posted by Eva Destruction
I have gotten several purples in the course of getting my PvP IO. Which admittedly I haven't gotten yet, but by the time I do I'll probably have earned enough inf to buy a second one. It's still fun, especially the one with the wave after wave of Malta, the one with the Nazis and the one where I rescue Ravenstorm and he aggros the whole room and dies.
I'm not going to get a respec recipe because I don't need them, I have several unused vetspecs and if those run out I can do a trial. I use Mids.
possibly getting purples along the way of doing 200 some missions over and over and over again is not the point. its about the over and over and over time or time/cost vs reward being lame. -
i find something lame so im letting the person in charge of lame things know what i feel. sorry but im not the only one who finds things lame here at times.
"The Lead Designer also evaluates risk vs. reward, cool vs. lame, and attempts to incorporate ongoing feedback from the players about what features they want and what we, as a studio, can do from a technical or scheduling standpoint."
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...nterview.html/
this new merit system is not fun. it is kinda lame. after taking my toons through the 11 alignment missions i found it quite boring and lame after the first couple times. then i decided to do the math again on hvam rewards and the time or time/cost vs reward does not match up.
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Quote:1. reward/economy topicOriginally Posted by Forbin_Project
Yeah you tried that lame excuse in the other threads you started about respecs.
1. War witch we have a code red lame alert!
2. i think we should get a freespec per active build when they are given out.
3. 2 ?s
4. 2 builds, 1 freespec?
5. freespecs
6. 2 more ?'s Deleted by mods
And these are only the ones I participated in, there could easily be more considering the way you refuse to let your agendas go.
Face it you aren't going to get them to change things just so you can get more respecs. Everything is working as intended.
I don't need to make any efforts at all. You got your own threads locked and deleted, but if it makes you feel better to paint me as the villain in this quest for more respecs, go right ahead. I'm flattered that you put so much thought into my role in this.
2. what does the community think about it topic that was locked.
3. info gathering topic on multi build use but still there.
4. direct statement about freespecs but still there.
5. question on why we get freespecs but still there.
6. the too similar of a topic to multi builds which was about incarnate builds got deleted.
7. you stalking, pestering me and hardly being on topic is kinda creepy so i may have to put you on ignore. -
Quote:there have been lots of changes bc of feedback, negativity and complaints and i would be doing this game a disservice by just letting things slide and sitting back saying that the game is perfect.Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
guess it's time for you to take a break away from the game then. what is lame for you is obviously not what the devs consider to be lame. it falls in line with what they want. go back to the PvP forums now.
well if i wasn't forced to pve in order to pvp then i wouldnt be around these parts now would i?
btw you all never thanked me for free server transfers. -
Quote:wow just wow.Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
You don't have to do anything.
Since you're so opposed to "farming," or even presumably playing the game at 50 (since even without farming you can earn more than enough to buy a respec recipe for each build in a reasonable time frame) what do you need respecs or dual builds for?
i'm talking about lame systems being lame. go ahead and get 1 respec, purp or pvp io and come back to tell me how reasonable, fun and exciting it was please.