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Did I ever say they did? No, I did not. My comment has complete relevance to what was being said. Try reading for comprehension next time before saying something is irrelevant.

Who cares if its not 100% reliable, I sure as hell don't. I don't give damn if it hits 10 out of 10 or 2 out of 10. With 1 hit out of 10 I will still get 714 hit points on my Scrapper and additionally I don't care if the set doesn't have KB, my Scrapper has 10 points of KB protection so I am guaranteed to not get knocked back thus your example is negated.

[quote]And I've never had a single moment where Energy Drain missed or failed to return my endurance to full and return a bit of HP. Wow, what's your point?[quote]

Rather than single out one sentence in the post why not go apply it all and you will see my point since its very clear. You go on about DR not being reliable and my ENTIRE post [the above sentence included] is providing examples of why it is as reliable if not more reliable than ED.

Again this is NOT a comparison topic on ED and DR, this topic is thought about my original question.

Wrong. It's not false because I have done it on my DA character. I can't recall a single time in the characters life where I have never hit at least one enemy with DR. Again your issues with your characters are not mine. I have KB protection so getting knocked back is not at issue. Additionally not until you get into the 40-50 game do you even see groups with massive amounts of accuracy or to-hit debuffs and even in the previous levels "I" have never come across enough that have prevented me from healing.

First off you are acting as though I am saying copy DR directly. No **** I realize it isn't a heal. My very first ever villain was an EM/EA Brute when ED didn't provide any healing at all so that much is obvious. Not once have I ever said that ED is a heal.

I do understand how unbalanced it would be if it was a burst heal, but DID I EVER SAY that ED should be a burst heal? No I didn't so that ends that. Look at my original post, I said make it more like DR, not make it DR. As I have pointed out numerous times I don't care about the endurance aspect of the power, I find it pointless since the set is endurance-lite already. ED could afford to drain less endurance in exchange for a boost to the healing aspect. Hell I would be completely happy if the power provided 0% heal and 0% recovery until slotted with either healing or end mod enhancements. At least that way you get the option of what you would like.


Again completely irrelevant because I am not talking about Ice Armor and could care less. I am talking about a single power and nothing more so adding additional examples that have nothing to do with the topic at hand is pointless.

If you think it fine, bravo, but I don't. It's obvious you have it stuck in your mind that I am asking for ED to become DR with that isn't the case at all. Asking for a power to be "LIKE" another power is not the same as asking for it to "BE" that power.

Fair enough to you, but in my experience I can say it and it holds true 100%. I've never had a single moment where I had DR completely miss all enemies and not heal me completely. True CoT can debuff you, but you are speaking about single enemies which if you solo sure that will be an issue, but I don't solo and even in the times I have soloed on my FM/DA Scrapper I still have never had an issue with being debuffed.

In your examples you have valid points, but those examples are easily overcome because while leveling up you rare face any enemies that will debuff your accuracy or to-hit to the point where DR doesn't heal you off of at least one enemy.

DR costs 16.3 endurance in my build excluding the Cardiac alpha slot (15.25 with it). The endurance cost issue is a thing of the past for Dark Regeneration. Yes Energy Drain costs much less, but also provides much less in my opinion also.

Question. Why are you even mentioning Ice Armor when its completely irrelevant in this discussion. I have always been against powersets that require you to take pool powers to fill gaps, such as SR. I dont' take Medicine on my SR and never would waste power choices on it. That's irrelevant at the moment though. The healing aspect of Energy Drain on Stalkers is a joke. For Brutes its nice since they have much higher HP, but on Stalkers Energy Drain would be better if it acted more like Energize, because otherwise the healing aspect of it is uselss and the endurance recovery part doesn't really help someone like me that doesn't have endurance issues to begin with.

I can honestly say that I have never found myself in a 1v1 situation on my Fire/Dark Scrapper where I needed to use DR so missing has never been an issue.

Personally I find Energy Drain to be a terrible power because it personally doesn't offer me any benefit on my Stalker. I don't have endurance issues and the heal is so terrible I can just pop a small green and I gain a lot more health than if I used it in a group full of enemies.

I completely disagree with you regarding the reliability of each power. Enemies run and you can easily miss them in ED, with DR you are likely to NEVER miss a single enemy with Cloak of Fear or Opressive Gloom running. DR is infinitely more reliable than ED in my opinion and I have used each power extensively to compare them. In terms of long term survival you're right there is no question which is better, Dark Regeneration is without a doubt, but you are entitled to your opinion as am I so to each their own.

I will agree, on a Brute its a nice power. I loved it on my EM/EA Brute, but I got bored playing that character and deleted it. I like EA a lot better on Stalkers to be honest although Energy Cloak is such an awesome power that I am always jealous that Brutes get it and Stalkers have to have Hide which suppresses.

So help me understand this. You find a power that heals for virtually nothing more reliable than a power that even with base accuracy only will still hit at least one enemy and heal you for more than 50% of your health?

Concept aside a person requires Conserve Power or Energy Drain to keep their endurance up something is very wrong with their build.

I understand where you are coming from, but even increasing the heal a little more in Energy Drain would make it a lot better power and a lot more useful to someone like me.

Just curious but why are you using +4's are your example? Unless you plan on running against +4's in everything you do in this game it's kind of pointless to use that as your measuring stick.

Fair enough. 8 seconds is a very long time for a power, that much I will admit, but seeing as I don't always use the power it doesn't really bother me that much.

I am up there with you on Stalkers, I have 2 level 50 Stalkers, a 38, 32, and 30. I love Stalkers for various reasons.

As others have pointed out, numbers aren't everything. I don't care about DPS, burst damage, etc. As long as what I attack is defeated that is what matters to me. My role in a team when I play my Stalker has never been questioned and I have led Lady Grey's, Statesman, etc with my Stalker to great effect. Too many of you approach playing Stalkers or the game in general from a numbers view and that is your metric in determining if a character is fun/efficient. In my opinion that is a sad way to play, but to each their own.

I'm sorry to hear that you don't like your Peacebringer, that's too bad. I personally love mine and have always loved mine. Peacebringers are an acquired taste and unfortunately one that many people don't acquire.

My Peacebringer is full IO'd and I love playing her. I do need to redo her build because its about 5 issues old, but nevertheless she still holds up very well. A lot of people go with the tri-form style, but I personally hate forms so I only play Peacebringers in human form because they are so deadly. If you look at building your character for +rech and add in about 10-15% positional or typed defense you will see a drastic increase in survivability. My build is completely built for recharge, health, and some defense and she can go toe-to-toe with +2 AVs as well as handle +2/x6 missions with bosses when solo.

If you haven't already invested in IO's with your Peacebringer I wouldn't worry about it at this point because the market prices are so screwed up you would end up spending a fortune. If you are really interested in making it better you could do like people do and just build up your hero merits and then use either the resulting IOs or selling those IOs for money to then build your character.

I absolutely love Moonbeam on my EM/Nin Stalker. Being able to 2 shot +3 bosses when opening with Moonbeam and then AS is absolutely heavenly.

I don't care about the animation time like most people do, there are far more important things to worry about.

That is impressive.

I reworked my build and have her up to 78.61 hp/sec with one in range of RttC and 2564 HP with the accolades and IOs factored in. Good thing is that I still don't have to spend anything since I already have all of the IO's I reworked into the build. I was able to get the smashing, lethal, fire, cold and melee defense to 20.1% and 23.2% respectively so that is much better than what it was and I only lost 2% regen from my previous build.

True it does spread them out and that takes away from the regen, but Hand Clap is basically a mitigation power that would only be used in the event that I was being overcome.

I'm not anywhere near spending billions on her, I built her for regeneration, recharge and health. I know people tend to do defense with Willpower, but I figure the more I can keep Foot Stomp that will more than make up for lower defense since an enemy laying on its back can't attack anyway.

Excellent. Yes with one enemy in range its 70.71 hp/sec and I hope to have that up to 75-80 once I start getting he the accolades.

I assumed that is what you meant, but I didn't want to be set on that. Thanks for clarifying.

I am speaking in general terms. Obviously WP shines against some groups and not against other, but on average I am asking if 70.71 hp/sec is a good number using only 1 enemy from RttC to buff you?

Since I posted this question I took my SS/WP Brute on the Maria Jenkins arc and she shined better than I would have expected.

What are you referring to when you say "half RttC?"

How come?

Actually it is something that is easily skipped. This game was played well before global recharge came around and it is still easy to play without having +20% recharge. The build has 61.25% global recharge which is more than enough recharge for a build that isn't dependent on having super high recharge. The build has a very fluid attack chain without needing that additional +20%. Would I like to have +20% more? Sure, but since I am going complete Blood Widow it is not something I am too concerned about not having.

I don't see how you can't buy an explanation that is common sense. NPC Blood Widow's do not have mental training, Night Widows do. What is so hard to understand about that? There is nothing to prove because it is quite obvious that they DON'T have it. Do Blood Widows use Mask Presence, Mind Link, Placate, Vengeance, or Elude? The answer is no and since Mental Training is part of the Widow Teamwork block, Blood Widows do not use those powers.

Regardless if you buy it or not, it doesn't matter to me because my build as I mentioned before is pure Blood Widow with no Night Widow influence. If I want to use Night Widow powers I will just log onto my Night Widow.

There is nothing gimp about not taking Mask Presence, Mental Training, or Mind Link. If you are playing based on pure concept like I am Blood Widows do not have those powers period.

If you take MP, ML, or MT then YOU AREN'T a Blood Widow or else there would be a Blood Widow on the game that actually used those three powers. People who chose to take those powers are in fact a Night Widow plain and simple.