Not_Epsilon

Originally Posted by Supermax

Wow. This is one of the most amazing things I've ever read on these forums.

Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna

OH GUIZE, i fought ELF STALKER on his psi/em...meh nvm

Originally Posted by Psyrene

So how 'bout this Galactor, you get an 8 man team that "already KNOWS what each other is going to do" and then let those of us that have PvP'd rather regularly get a team of 8 on vent and lets just see which team wins, I would say the team on vent doubles, or more, the kills on the team not on vent. You can not possibly spike a target when your team doesn't:
a) all know who the target is.
b) be able to all spike the above said target at the same time so as not to give away who the target is, so that the healer can not know who your target is and heal him through your spike.
c) be able to tell your team that you are evading, you are the target, you are hibering, etc.

So again I will say you get your team of 8 that needs no co-ordination but can just jedi-sense what each other is doing and/or needs without using vent and go up against a team of 8 PvPr's on vent. YOU WILL GET WRECKED.

Originally Posted by macskull

I like Shadow Meld, though, it's nice for saving me from having to phase in situations where I'd otherwise be in trouble (though the animation time is somewhat long).

Originally Posted by macskull

If all you're looking to do is roll fiteklubbers with the very rare decent zone or arena matchup, sure.

Originally Posted by macskull

1. Toxic Troll is not a good PvPer. He's one of the more or less bad Stalkers that likes to sit in RV and run his mouth when he manages to get an AS off.

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You must not be terribly familiar with PvP anymore. Lots of people have been rolling PB's since I13 hit. Saying "non-FotM builds require you to think more" isn't a truth at all. FotM builds are FotM because they're the most effective at what they do, and anything less than that is less of a threat to someone who knows anything at all about the game. If I know how to handle a Fire/EM or Psi/EM, there's nothing that's going to give me any "oh god what do i do i've never seen this build before" fits. I'd like to know who these "best players" you're talking about are, because I don't know a single good Justice PvPer that hasn't transferred something to Freedom (heck, Leroy brought over a Scrapper today or something). Justice is dead, and it's been dead since probably before I13.


If the best player on Freedom up and transferred all his characters to Pinnacle, it'd be a tremendous waste of server slots because he'd be transferring away from the people that would be most competitive with him and that's counterintuitive to getting better. I don't think anyone ever made the claim that the "best" PvPer in the game is on Freedom (though I will do so now), but they are saying that most of the good players that are still left play on Freedom. Justice does not have "high end" PvP anymore and to suggest that it does is laughable at best. The fact that you admit you are not willing to put up with aggressive players is basically the same thing as you saying "I'm sorry, I can't be competitive with actual good players so I'll just go back here where I know people have the delusion of thinking I'm good." In short, there are few if any PvPers worth anything that are not able to put up with, as you say, the annoyances and aggressive players.

By all means, continue to stay on Justice, but don't be surprised when you find yourself fighting the same four or five people over and over again because you were too stubborn to recognize a good thing when you saw it.

EDIT: I'm not sure which of the regular Justice RV fiteklubbers the OP is, but I'm pretty sure he's a member of Hard Knocks (lol), and I'm more certain that he's one of the random Stalkers who will run around the zone spamming webnade and trying (and failing spectacularly, mind you) to get an AS off on a grounded target. Oh, also, there was an Elec/Therm on Justice that had Aid Self and Performance Shifter procs in all their attacks. She ended up transferring to Freedom and dropped Aid Self for something else, but the Performance Shifter procs are still there, and I must admit it's rather nice having a Therm giving me endurance.

Originally Posted by Pwn Masta General

Well said Sentry4

Originally Posted by Toxic_Troll

Don't get me involved in this Freedom vs Justice crap, I'll leave that to those who like to forum PvP.

Now, perhaps you like to actually answer my questions, who are you and whens the last time you've been on Justice for PvP.
I ask because you sound quite bitter and I don't want to make any assumptions about you.

I'll give you the whole it's not Freedom nor will it be thing. I mean if it was then perhaps those top tier players who left for greener pastures would still play actively on the server.

Originally Posted by macskull

I had been planning on moving a few things to Virtue at some point but with these transfers it seems like a lot of the Virtue people are coming to Freedom so there's really no point. Have any SGs made the move en masse yet?

Originally Posted by macskull

On this... I think it's slightly less important on a Stalker since you spend most of your time unseen, but if you've spent a decent amount of time on Freedom (especially in the arena) you'll find out that not having knockback protection will get you killed, a lot, because coordinated teams will use the knockback -> mez -> damage spike to ensure you have zero opportunity to react before they can kill you. Knockback does have a 10 second suppression period (mez suppression is 15 seconds) but don't forget that being KB'd means there is a period of a few seconds where an entire opposing team can close in on you without you being able to do anything. It's one of the reasons I dislike playing SO'd characters when RV is busy.

Originally Posted by JonnyDeadSide

Dammit Epsilon.....you just "had" to wait to post on the build until "after" I already started slotting a bunch of these powers like I have them slotted in the build I posted....
The posted build went more than 24 hours without anyone coming and shredding it as a horror build. That never happens unless its not terrible. There is always someone who gets at it and says "your build is crap, do this instead" lol. I thought I was relatively safe to start slotting, and I hit 47 yesterday, ACK! *grumble grumble*

*quickly makes Eppy doll and stabs it with a red-hot poker*

Ok. I will stop doing what I'm doing with that build right now. I know you weren't intending on being mean, cruel, or unusual. You're just giving your opinion in an honest fashion, which is what I asked for.

But I am confused about this statement you made:
"Slotting for Defense on a stalker isn't a very good idea, with over 500% positional defence in PvE(Easily hard-capping), I had a total of 65% defense. . . ."

I am a defensive based stalker as /Nin, so I'm not understanding why I wouldn't slot for as much def as possible, playing to my supposed/intended strengths? I read from Arcanville's thread of Defense and it said that I would always have my defense selected by which ever defensive property is higher. Like, if I have 45% lethal and 70% ranged, being attacked by a ranged lethal attack would make my defense use the ranged number to calculate this attack. I don't have to worry about my lethal/smashing/fire def being super high if my melee/ ranged/aoe defenses are higher. At least thats how I thought it read? Did I misunderstand? I'm not quite sure what you mean by not keen to DR?

Also, I know that many folks preach about having knockback protection up the whazoo, but I almost never run into trouble with being KB'd all over the place, being chained with it, or rag-dolled too badly. Most of my current toons are sitting between 12-16, and again, I've "personally" never really ran into a KB beast who distressed me enough to make me think "holy crap I need more kb protection!" Do you have anything you could paddle me around RV with to show me I should stfu and just do it? Not looking to disrespect here, nor actually disagreeing, just would like an "i got rag-dolled" experience. Or just share a few examples of why I need 37pts of kb? Also, I thought that kb is classified as mez and that any mez powers cannot be chained on someone without them experiencing a "gap" of no one can "hold" me for "X" amount of seconds if I was just "held" by someone, and same for being kb'd? I could swear I read that or was told that.....and I have been under that impression ever since. I hate when I start feeling like a dope.....

I'll stop what I'm doing until I get more feedback from you or others, thanks for the input Epsilon.

Originally Posted by Boomie

If you bring people to freedom who will be left to PvP with on triumph?

Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven

I hate to rain on your parade, but I hope that a lot of people transfer off of Freedom.

I think the game is best served with the servers all being closer to equal in size. NOT equal, but closer.

Originally Posted by Boomie

Yep I'm bringing stuff over in the morning. <.<

Originally Posted by Supermax

Anyway, why am I even defending sonic? I'm the oldest FIRE blaster left in PvP. Epsilon, I'm not gonna do your job for you anymore!

Originally Posted by ConFlict

thats her alright.