New Dawn

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I don't see Taunt in any of the build you proposed so I hope you get a backup, taunting, proper tanker when trying AVs because they'll just ignore you if they're not taunted due to the last changes (unless you 3 slot all your attacks for taunt...) and they're likely to cause some big messes.


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This is not about Ice, it is about SS. Against AVs you are likely to be using Rage in order to gain extra damage. Especially in small teams.
This means that every 2 minutes you lose 10 seconds of taunt time. CE has a tick time and taunt duration of 2-3 seconds, I don't know the duration of gauntlet for the various attack. This means that there is large enough window for a team wipe.
Taunt has a good duration so if you taunt before Rage drops you have a good chance of not killing your team.

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The higher the level of AV the more taunt duration is required to last the 10 second duration. I personally only risk rage if i am using unstoppable (kill or be killed) or from seeing how quickly the AVs health drops, i can gather if the AV will drop before my rage drops. 10 seconds is a long time in which an AV can just turn on the rest of the team.

Secondary taunt has a longer taunt duration than any aura taunt and so it wins, scrappers can use their taunt to relieve tanks of a lieutenant in a mob, usually find some inexperienced scrapper uses it on an AV who then decides to use a cone attack with the rest of the team in the line of fire.

As for placates I've had capt mako placate me so i couldnt taunt him, so i then taunted ghost widow whose next to him and because its an aoe i taunt mako still anyway.

If i can make it back in time from the dentists and there is space id like to do it with my peacebringer called Cassieopeia whose lvl 30.

i wouldnt solely trust a tank that could have moments of possibly only comfortably taunt controlling about 10 foes in a herd of 17 with my debuffer or blaster.

i think there is enough defence in your combat jumping to offset unyielding, unyielding iirc is actually minus 2-3 % or something so possibly a power make up there by removing tough hide. Your defence is low whilst herding, but you dont need to run around or through groups to herd you could fly by taunt or make a quick jump in bash everyone and boot it to herdpoint. Have the team wait for everyfoe to gather into your melee range where your defence is actually highest with any debuffs applied to the first one that comes into your aura giving you ample survivability (and left to last). Then you could use your whirling mace as a sign to attack (but some people who id of thought know me dont even wait for my footstomp opener). You may say you need more def to pull of aid self but whirling mace to aid self should be a nice combo.

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Maybe it's because my first toon was a tank but I don't really think of what dwarf can do as tanking (although I'm sure others will disagree).

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A dwarf has limited tanking ability shall we say and doesnt qualify as a real alternative for one in general unless its one of those gimped tanks your comparing it too. Very unlikely to keep a debuffer safe amongst a group of 17 foes. I have had to 6 slot antagonise (2 acc 2 rechg 2 taunt) to try to compete with a tanker but its still wont be as good as an aura and taunt that would keep a debuffer comfortably safe, the 2 rechg is to build the numbers taunted fairly quickly, the acc is to not miss and the duration should be about right to allow some attacking.

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And always remember, you are not a tank - at least not until you get elude and even then only for 3 minutes.

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2 minutes

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3 minutes

I thought you had clobber, and conserve has such long recharge its more of a panic button for me pve and a godsend pvp.

I slotted oil slick for damage as my glue arrow is the slow but what you do is upto you, i went all primaries except entangling asap, flight, med pool and leaderships, i still would like haste. Most important thing with trick archery is having teams that play to get the maximum benefits from it. Some people build and play their toons in a way in which an empath is needed and some people dont.

i dont feel a need for immobilisation its a "would be nice to have power", but a need for a hold and a -fly certainly is there for my way of thinking.

So you knock up a sapper, followed by knock back and get a couple of disorients in and do damage till he is dead?...and i thought my method was a bit risky.

Sure thing count me in, i was getting names and had yours prize and dark anarchys and 2 people who would just help if it was needed (so i counted 3 cos i dont like to ask people on it when they dont really need it).

01) --> Bash==> Acc(1) Dmg(5) Dmg(5) Dmg(7) Taunt(46) EndRdx(48)move taunt from here and make it a recharge in taunt

06) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(6) Rechg(15) Rechg(17) DmgRes(17) Heal(19) Heal(19)yeah no dam res

08) --> Unyielding==> EndRdx(8) EndRdx(21) change 2nd end red to dam res DmgRes(21)DmgRes(23)

10) --> Hurdle==> Jump(10) Jump(50)2nd jump superfluous

18) --> Invincibility==> EndRdx(18) DefBuf(23) DefBuf(25) DefBuf(25) Taunt(27) Taunt(27)sweet

26) --> Tough Hide==> DefBuf(26)the superflous jump would be a def here first if no where else on my build

41) --> Aid Self==> Heal(41) Heal(42) Heal(42) Rechg(42) IntRdx(43) IntRdx(43) wussy:P

it lacks well, i dont know how you will deal with a sapper, people skip clobber but i wouldnt, that and ss would be my sapper dealt with followed by unstoppable if i missed and 2 recharges in taunt so i can taunt quite a bit even with no end left.

i find a disorient/hold, a -fly absolute musts but an immob would also be nice.

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What is this taunt rubbish? With plain CE I'm keeping aggro fine in 8-man teams with multiple blasters... Taunt is a waste of slot

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I agree, ive been teaming with him and his CE goodness , i would say drop taunt and take another power in there such as aid self or hasten.

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Will try it out when I can earn a respec :P ... How to slot CE? 3 Slow, 1 End Red?

[/ QUOTE ]Slow will mean enemies will move towards you slower, bad when you're trying to get them bunched together. I went for 1 EndRdx.

EDIT: 6666 posts....is that bad?

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having read some of them, yes it is.

When i go into the recovery part of herobuilder it says:

Focused Accuracy (EPS=0.585)

That's so misleading aint it. Actually maybe i am being misleading i dont know but even my normal toggles were looking worse than expected.

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the tank and defenders drew the kraken away while those with thermite cannons attacked the tentacles.

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I think your meant to save the cannons for hydra.

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We managed to kill a fair few tentacles without drawing any aggro from the head until suddenly WHAM! psychic tornado murdered our faces off.

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This is where a tanker can stand only exposing himself to a few tentacles at a time using the rocks, autotaunt the targets and allow blasters to happily open fire.

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So we tried again to kill one of the hatched krakens because we figured we need everybody together to kill the tentacles but we just couldnt get him below 3/4s health at all.

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absolute pain in the butt at lvl 38 i know cos i was 38 on my first try and we ran out of time with the amount of damage needed to be done.

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Everybody suicided by charging the hydra head (and some even got the badge as a result of this which makes me think it must be a locational "plaque" type badge rather than awarded for killing the hydra) and went to hospital in skyway city where we did a mission to clear off the debt!

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lol plaque, its an exploration badge like the one on top of the globe in atlas.

All people being there for Friday at 8pm in FF (i should have 8) this will be my 6th time, with 4 toons having done it, last time we done it we had a map crash where we all got kicked 15 minutes in and had less time to do it in thru restarting.

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I have FA on my Spines/Regen, I slot it 3 end reds, 3 to hit buffs. It really is an expensive toggle, more expensive than Hero Builder states ( I've heard twice as expensive ) so 3 ends reds is not excessive.

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Every now and again someone comes out with something that says that herobuilder is wrong and not being one to test something i have never considered worth worrying about, i wouldnt normally bother but today i am having huge lag on live so i went to go on test to play with respec builds and can only say from what i am looking at yes your right it is almost double by the looks of things i think its about 1 eps. I find though relying on 1acc versus upto orange okay generally but above that and i want more. My hold for sappers that are orange or red to me normally has 2 acc and 3 slotted tohit in focused accuracy to rely on and if i am still worried then its rage, i miss enough as it is, to go less would be not good.

I personally feel you should just go ahead and take any epic pool that you feel would add anything to your character and playstyle. If i was a spines i may see other pools more useful than weapon mastery but as a broadsword i may not and often the bonuses from the secondary also come into it.

The 3rd endurance slot in focused accuracy offers an endurance reduction that is smaller than the others and it maybe a good idea to look at your build and check to see that there isnt anywhere else you can have a slot (not necessarily endurance either) that may make the build better overall. Keep 1 accuracy atleast in all attacks if you plan to exemp pve. If you exemp PvP below the level at which you have taken focused accuracy then you can if you are willing just swap your enhancement slotting (ie take out that extra recharge you wanted for 50 game and put back that accuracy).

This thread still going on?

I appreciate empathy

So in answer to the question "empaths, unappreciated?"

That means "no" simply because someone namely "me" appreciates them.

I hope that ends the debate

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I would also like to say a big thankyou to Kinslayer for bringing an obscure comic book hero into the public forum and no doubt helping my brother lose the name of the toon I have had the honour of teaming with over the last year and a half. If I ever get to meet you in person I would love to thank you further.

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It's this part that, smells of a threat..

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Well if i wasn't being sarcastic and was being for real THAT spitting mad over a matter of which ballbearing is mostly at fault for not checking on the toon name in the first place i certainly wouldnt make it public notice or maybe i would even if it only meant spilling a drink over a guy. I personally feel that things could easily be taken out of context as is normally the case with certain people reading into things the wrong way from what i write aye Raz? I've known green since Feb or beginning of March 2005 when green jet was level 13 and i have to say i really do conceive this as humour although words that cant be said on the forums is at most all that would ever be intended to happen.

btw green very good artwork i forgot to say before with all this off topic discussion.

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My comiserations Bro. That must sting a hell of a lot and I know that if that had happened with my first 50 I would be spitting mad. I would also like to say a big thankyou to Kinslayer for bringing an obscure comic book hero into the public forum and no doubt helping my brother lose the name of the toon I have had the honour of teaming with over the last year and a half. If I ever get to meet you in person I would love to thank you further.

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Threat? I can only see what I can percieve as a sarcastic remark.

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I would put 6 slots in Dull Pain as soon as possible. With 3 recharge and 3 heals it is up most of the time.

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All those tohit buffs in invincible would be residing in my dullpain, the tohit is a small bonus.

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As long as we wont get outnumbered.

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When one side outnumbers the other its boring and thats from a larger teams point of view from a raid ive had on union. We had this once and we was wondering why we even bothered as we won easily and it was a "so what" situation. Balancing up things nicely makes it more interesting imo.

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So what did he do to be "not liked" by a lot of people :-/

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i think there was a time when he did something that was counterproductive to the common goals of everyone and also spammed arena and nowadays most people have prolly gotten over all that but there are probably some still that may jokingly pretend not to like him. I mean how long can people bear a grudge for in a game? honestly!

Anyway Happy Birthday Lui,

Another year older, another year wiser (till ya hit 70 then its downhill from there and nappies ftw!).

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yea I know it was short notice... it didn't happen in the end anyway for various reasons.

I'll organise another one soon. With a bit more notice... possiby Thursday? :P

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i'm trying to get ppl there for friday, cos thursday is a bit awkward, ill see how it goes..

basic tact is get inside, if you can invis ppl to guns and tp them back then thats nice cos it saves time, but if not a stick together and fight our way down is good. At bottom its a kill all first, you dont have to run into the tentacles and be hit by hydras psionic attacks itself, you could after all the other rikti are gone, block yourself to all including hydra and taunt 5 at a time and have blasters blasting tankers target with them blocked to all but the tanks targets too. Once tentacles are done everyone gets generaters to last bit of health. Then altogether drop generators, tank taunts hydra first with a defender backing him up and then everyone starts attacking hydra with their guns, i dont suggest the defender also attacking on this, tank can taunt shoot taunt shoot. If shields come up again then kill rikti and repeat. So easy.

Anyway ill be bringing my mind controller with mass confusion.

I know of 6 people interested in doing that, but hey thats short notice.

I know of 5 people interested in doing positron, i'll see of they can make the time.