New Dawn

Thinking about teams and what others need I put together a possible build for my Fire/Thermal. I got a Earth/Thermal and you know seriously to suit others it would practically be the same, tier 1 hold, tier 12 disorient and pet at 32, but a Fire/Thermal with it's 3 Imps maybe better. I am thinking with these powers it'll be a case of concentrating on buffs and heals on the team whilst the pets do the work. Tactics is so that my AoE disorient barely misses mainly, that'll be the opener and the hold is for specifics. All the other controller powers are left out because someone may not want to see them used. Pretty solid or not?

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
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Level 48 Mutation Controller
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Thermal Radiation
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Char -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Warmth -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Thermal Shield -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Cauterize -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Hasten -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Plasma Shield -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Flashfire -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 18: Health -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Thaw -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Acrobatics -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Assault -- Empty(A)
Level 28: Forge -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Tactics -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Fire Imps -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Heat Exhaustion -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Melt Armor -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Indomitable Will -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Mind Over Body -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Power of the Phoenix -- Empty(A)
Level 49: Vengeance -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment

I think what ya done there for the returning player is really nice Maelwys and perhaps could also go in the guide section with a quick link in ya sig so more can look to it an all.

I think TRT could be saying Electric Fence, Charged Armour and Powersink by 47. Charged Armour would allow for a Steadfast Prot of 3%def. AVs are easily immobed and kept at range and Powersink is a better +end/time power.

As a defender it'll take me no more than 10 mins to do Bloody Bay (which is very much minus all the sodding about I see most people do.) as Shivs would be good an all. Using Shivs then Power Mastery could be good enough.

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Taking all the reponsibility on yourself may be noble, but it is also stupid.

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^^ This.

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I could quote it but for what I don't know because no one is taking all of the responsibility upon themselves.


I have to say that there is a tendency for people I dislike playing with to be with more people I dislike playing with. A supergroup of people could be worse in my opinion than some PuG I joined the other night. It may be that they favour certain sets in teams and their dynamics pretty much can't change to anything other than those sets or sets without certain powerpools.

I find concepts are important so any info on the concept or anything simply on "how far you've got with the build" even if you start it not and give it 20 mins of slotting/looking at it'll help. For 20 mins work I wouldn't expect to see much but it's a start. You can be controllery, res based and def based especially as an idea on the primary could be useful too.

No it proves I am part of the problem if I can't turn the team around through things like interest/desire/diplomacy/charisma/instruction by quitting.

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more if you speak French or German)

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What about if I speak English and bad English?

Thanks for the tip.

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You can play on french and german servers and run in to whole teams of bilingual, multilingual people and even if no one speaks english, there is often nothing that needs to be said, as the play is pretty good overall. You don't have to worry about nothing from nobody really as they've usually got your back.

No fallacy, when there are many factors to what consummates a a good/bad team. Just because it's bad and you leave doesn't mean it'll get better. It could get worse. If the team sucks and you quit, they may just suck even more and quit after. Remove the tank/rad from a STF and what will happen with most teams? One person less usually means there is less flexibility in what teams are capable of.

I've dual boxed with 2 brutes, scrapper and defender, tanker and defender, nothing reward orientated, just to differentiate between "the way people do things" and "the way people could do things".

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Well done you two! Kudos for it.

Now we are waiting a duo STF from you

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I think that'll take a trio.

Gratz guys anyway!

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When I am in a bad PuG I am part of it. Part of the problem. Partly to blame for something. What I don't know but sometimes people just do not dynamically gel or gel through personality clashes. There is not a them and me "really". If I am in a bad team I may want out but have to accept that I am part of what makes up that bad team.

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In that case, the correct course of action is to quit the team, since if you are part of the problem, if you leave the team should get better.

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Well Duh! That's what people do when they don't like the team they're in, or not happy with the type of game they're playing. You don't need anyone to tell anyone that. You'd post for the sake of anything and whether or not the team gets better is neither here or there as sometimes they will, sometimes they won't and sometimes they may all end up quitting. But because you illogically say "should get better" rather than "could get better" which is a possibility due to many factors, would I be right in thinking that you must have something to say, based on something, Praf? If so spit it out because I don't remember seeing you in a team.

Agreed Dante,

and for Khaine, sorry if I seemed to pigeon hole you into any category as it wasn't my intention and its understandable that its not easy to know what someone might be trying to imply.

I think most of the time you will come across people who you can team with lovely without saying anything about anything, but sometimes in some teams some peoples survivability is compromised someway.

Sometimes things require an anchor kept alive, somethings require numbers in an area and sometimes things require timing from other people due to threat mechanics, sometimes people compromise themselves and therefore the team from positioning.

The game is made so that we can use our powers in a way that can work against each other as well as for, some people desire potshots at fish in a barrel where as some people desire something that is much more of a matter of teamwork. You will come across people who only see themselves and not the ability of what the team can do when they combine their powers or allow for a set up that adds to survivability. These players shrug off much that have gone wrong as "one of those things". If you point something out to another player about what they could of done when they didn't in order to not repeat the same mistake then you're going to be sometimes thanked and sometimes put in a corner for "naming and shaming" or being "annoying". Many players are farmers so 3 goes at a TF and still failing isn't a bad thing as they still got inf or xp. Whereas some players base things on getting things done and some players are either do it fast or fail and so make compromises with luck now and then on their side.

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When I am in a bad PuG I am part of it. Part of the problem. Partly to blame for something. What I don't know but sometimes people just do not dynamically gel or gel through personality clashes. There is not a them and me "really". If I am in a bad team I may want out but have to accept that I am part of what makes up that bad team.

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So beautiful and flawless. *wipes tear off cheek*

Now that was just the most honest truth ever.

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But you see what I am saying is that, when you're in a bad team, you're part of it. Sometimes you can put things right and sometimes you just think sod it, not worth it, if these players want to keep having repeated attempts at anything because they can't follow a tried and proven simple method, let them. My time is of value and watching a bad re run of ground hog day doesn't appeal.

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Oh yes.
But for most people it's easier to put the blame on others.

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If I've made a mistake in anyway with the rest of the team in doing anything that you know about. I am not shy about it.

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When I am in a bad PuG I am part of it. Part of the problem. Partly to blame for something. What I don't know but sometimes people just do not dynamically gel or gel through personality clashes. There is not a them and me "really". If I am in a bad team I may want out but have to accept that I am part of what makes up that bad team.

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So beautiful and flawless. *wipes tear off cheek*

Now that was just the most honest truth ever.

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But you see what I am saying is that, when you're in a bad team, you're part of it. Sometimes you can put things right and sometimes you just think sod it, not worth it, if these players want to keep having repeated attempts at anything because they can't follow a tried and proven simple method, let them. My time is of value and watching a bad re run of ground hog day doesn't appeal.

Defenders, some defenders can tank mage well, they may say miss a step where they've ran in and the clearmind I am about to give them "obviously" has gone. There wouldn't be "haha look at that defender try to tank" there would be "my bad" if I could of got a CM to them yet didn't. Dark defending I could with CM tank mage +4 way before tanks ever could like at lvl 11 alongside a good defender.

For more honest truth its not right to pre suppose that one knows more than another all the time. A player along side other players in another team may of been able to pull what they were intending, off. Sometimes people do not play to ones own natural expectation or even to what one sees as common sense.

Lets take an SR tanking an AV for a bunch of VEATs for example as I was remembering such a thing today. In another team of people playing VEATs they would not of moved back. Leaving the SR out of the 60ft range of maneuvers and the SR would not of been so easily hit.

People on TS can make up the bad part of a team, because they're making the them and us of the team, with those on TS and those not, its not right to assume what someone is thinking or trying to do, its better to find out for sure by actually asking and by choosing not to cooperate with so and so or by leaving so and so out of the loop, things will fail. That would make them the bad players in my book.

When I am in a bad PuG I am part of it. Part of the problem. Partly to blame for something. What I don't know but sometimes people just do not dynamically gel or gel through personality clashes. There is not a them and me "really". If I am in a bad team I may want out but have to accept that I am part of what makes up that bad team. I pretty sure I don't have "healer" in any search comment but I really ought to get around to having it in my Trick Archers search comment as aid self counts.

I think if I get a question like "Do you heal?" before a team invite. I will think I have something of a reason to "get out" before I find out and refuse an invite unless I am interested cos of the mood I am in. I think that once your in team and people see that you can heal its "do anything, anything at all" and it does actually pay for my own sanity to play sub par, so someone wakes up to a "bad empath" in a way and plays with a bit more caution for the remainder of the mission. If I don't, I'd end up chasing after a team with all the tactical prowess of little rikti monkeys really.

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If we do a "quick quick" run then it is afew hours as most people get 2 nukes & shivians but if we just set up and go it only takes us around 35-40 mins so is quicker in general but we just wanted to see how fast we could do it

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V nice so all the pet getting is just to hit record times. I like it even more. Well done!

Illusion control is not Mind control, so keeping ppl perma buffed with empath skills is not as easy as it would be keeping people buffed with kinetic skills as a Illusion controller.

Ill/Emps would be far easier to play than Mind/Emps. By a mile. Mind Control is just busy, you don't permanently have pets doing aggro control and taking alpha damage for you. Ideally as a Mind/Emp controller, just as it is with a Ill/Emp you'd be at the front, keeping with the tank but not preventing a Tanker doing their job or atleast pulling tight, but more likely with a Mind/Emp fall back on keeping things in check from having to save someone or help someone whose been left behind as opposed to fallen behind survive when others aren't so vigilant towards eachother.

When I come across Forcefielders who don't keep bubbles up and I mean like for a good time, I easily throw the book. That is just bad play. They have so little to do really and I know it as I play them too.

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40/28.333...= 1.41176 merits/min

but that doesnt include the preperation that goes into a run like this

generally need to spend twice as long getting ready, kinda like women

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Well done on the record. I'd be interested in knowing what the preparation times are like. I take it you go to Bloody Bay and Warburg. If preparation + STF is lower in time than no preparation + STF. Then I'd definitely have to say very nice.

I think freeing up slots and a slight change in power order is a good idea. If I had 119% damage buff brought down to 97% through ED. I would say I was throwing away 22% of potential somewhere else. Getting Aid other at 38 and waiting 11 lvls to not afford slots in Aid self at 49 wouldn't do either.

Your power choices remarkably reflect my own for my Fire*3 but it would be no good me posting my build when it's totally designed to be built upon different intentions and playstyle.

If you move a slot and it lowers your damage buff by 2.5% just by it becoming a rechg in another power like fireball it could raise your damage over time to multiple targets by 10%. People don't care about that and making things just so is enough. I am sure you could re route the build to do that if you wanted to, to still be about damage, but say, a little faster to move with and a better self heal.

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One other thing to remember is that some people will believe they are right and will taking beating after beating. As far as they are concerned they are right, you are wrong and the game is cheating. They can't be helped, you will go mad trying to help them. The trick then is to keep yourself safe and watch them die, time after time, and laugh your socks off at them.

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I am sorry, but if I did this to other players deliberately on hero side it would not only be the height of my own arrogance and superiority but going against the grain of playing a hero. There'd be no laughter. I couldn't knowingly compromise the whole team, they can compromise themselves or each other but I wouldn't deliberately go out of my way to let something bad happen and say "oops". I'd either trust the players to stay with them because I can easily believe we are trying to pull together and are all on the same side or leave.

I can single people out on villains because I am evil tho, and don't mind if it happens to me, 10 deaths on a evil character going through any mission with other evil characters is generally acceptable in my head.

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As a mind/empath, this happens to me quite alot, i know im a troller, but blasters seem to run in first and draw all the aggro on us, while the blaster just runs behind us screaming "ahhhhhhh" so then i have to confuse most of the mob group to keep us alive, but if that all fails and im the last one standing, i just use self destruction, lul

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Yes them blasters probably want you to fort them and heal them while they blast away, nvm the fact that you logged in hoping to play a controller. I like "order", not healing "disorderly" people. Some people value someone quick to heal them, I can do that, but don't think I am valuing them, I like "more time for other things" and believe its possible to get it with some order.

There are players you can trust and players you feel that you can't trust (in terms of some "thing").

Going with what Sinergy said about Blasters who are trigger happy and letting them have something to learn by, by not saving them, this would be fine in my mind if the trigger happiness is what compromises the rest of the team. As an Invuln tanker all the controllers who immobed a spread group weren't doing me any favours, they could be causing lesser safety to the team, I may only have time to type a few words, they may not like it lacking diplomacy and if they continue I would kick them. Controllers should bring the survivability of other players up not down. But then some people accidentally hit a run key, run into a group and if the team follows and tries to save them then everyone is dead, I would assess whether or not its worth risking the whole of the team then act normally. I wouldn't let someone die based upon what's personal as its putting personal in front of the team. On another note if I don't see a team then I may as well not be in it.

I think people should have their tiffs and then find out if they can reconcile later. You need to cut people who you don't gel with from those you do. There are players I don't have to worry about what they're doing and they don't have to worry about what I am doing but n00b moments do happen.

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Indeedy, after the shock which I hopefully put across in my earlier post, I can only wish you well and hope that Battle Medic will one day return.

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Battle Medic was what I initially modeled my Empaths build on and it still aint changed much. GL to him, I hope his v happy. I got no doubts he'd be back tho