Nethergoat

you can cover 15 a month for a sub but 30 for an expansion is unpossible?

huh.

/edit
ok, that's a different situation.
Still, 30 bucks is like two movie tickets these days. I could skip my bath tomorrow and panhandle that much down on the corner.

tokens are to prevent system overload.
when you use them all up they're replenished on some timetable I don't recall offhand.

How is this relevant?
Comics as an art form have an infinitely higher profile than they did when I was haunting the racks in convenience stores. There is a much wider variety available in a much greater range of venues. While long underwear books may still be looked down on as 'kid stuff' the recognition of comics as a legitimate venue of artistic expression suitable for adults has been proceeding apace for my whole adult life.
When I was younger only the nerds read comics. Now lots of different people read them. Lots of different people create them. You can get them in lots of different places.

That's not marginalization, cultural or otherwise.

I can think of several fairly 'mainstream' creators who're still active in the genre and have a higher Q rating than either Art or Crumb- Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Frank Miller. Art released a book for grownups not long ago, so did Crumb.

*shrug*
Not sure what that has to do with the public perception of comics as art form.

Anyone who cares to look will find a much greater range of available material than I had access to in my formative years and comics and their creators are much more in the public eye.

If we're pretending that cultural relevance is dictated by methods of distribution and sales figures then he might have point. I don't think that's an accurate or fair measure.

My wife has been working her way through the Graphic Novel section of our library. She just finished this one and recommends it highly.

I don't work in publishing so I have no idea how enthusiastic or resistant to such things they are, but the very existence of the genre is a massive shift in exposure and priorities from back in the day.

Again, I don't equate relevance with sales figures.
R Crumb, who you ceded some cultural weight to earlier, was always a marginal, underground figure who eked out a spare living during his artistic prime. If we're to judge his impact by sales he shouldn't even exist.

??
Heyday for superheroes and Big Two wannabes, maybe.
There's a much broader range of work on offer right now than there ever was in the 80's.

There are plenty of progressive comic shops where 'respectable people' feel comfortable these days.

But regarding the supposed 'marginalization' argument, I'll note that you don't HAVE to set foot in a comic book store to get comics these days. You can watch them on the big screen, rent them from Video On Demand, stream them on Netflix, check them out from the library, buy them at Borders or Barnes and Noble.

He may or may not have a point regarding the thrust of popular videogames, but comics as an example of cultural marginalization is a position built on fail.

sweet trailer, if I hadn't picked it up eons ago I'd probably grab a copy. =)

Man, I paid 20 bucks for Doom II and now anybody can download it for free!
Same with Quake! I dropped hundreds of dollars in quarters on Asteroids at the arcade, now you can play it online for free!

I'm never paying for another video game ever again!


>:e

so you have all your slots on every server filled up?

impressive!

this is different from any other day how exactly?

anyway, GRATZ on the launch, things look spiffy and I'm sure bugs will be assassinated with your usual efficiency.

also MERGED MARKETS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
/ric flair

I'm not seeing how comic books have been "marginalized" at all- quite the opposite, they've become largely mainstream. A comic book won the Pulitzer. Comic creators have turned out internationally lauded reporting. Award winning films have been made from comics and the lives of comic creators.

The mainstream of any commercial endeavor will reliably be junk aimed at wherever the money men think the 'broadest appeal' is. So in comics The Big Two mostly publish garbage, in movies the corporate behemoths mostly release garbage, etc etc etc on down the line.

But comics as a whole have done nothing but become more creative, more wide ranging, and more culturally accepted in my lifetime. They've gone from garish four color fist-fests I picked up at the 7-11 (although even then there were creative exceptions to the general rule) to an art form covering a panoply of styles and genres.

I'm confident that at some future point GR will be added to the 'base game' just as CoV was.

The BAD PUBLICITY would be significant enough to keep NCSoft from doing it, that's for sure.

Things aren't broken, they don't need fixing.
Especially in a way that would have every orifice of the gaming press howling COH IS DYING, DYING I SAY!!11

If that's true then what a tremendous waste of resources I14 was.

you can like it or not, but it is very definitely "part of the game".

your personal likes and dislikes have zero impact on the reality of the game world for other players.

*shrug*

it's easy if you care to learn.

in a game where a savvy marketeer hit the inf cap in a week, there are many, many, many ways to earn 300 million in substantially less than 40 days.

heck, I can cap an MA map in 30 minutes with my ar/dev blaster and make 50-100 mill selling the crafted 'good stuff' from rolling bronze.

as Mukilord said in some other thread today, "I can fart 100 million inf".

as I like to say, if the devs handed out free gold bars some folk would complain about how heavy they were.

I actually laughed out loud at this- kudos!

your workaround for crummy hardware isn't the devs responsibility, sorry.

several similar posts have been ganked from a variety of other forums.
the reason given by Mod 12 is a rule against advertising goods or services purchasable with actual money.

yes, on these forums it's illegal to "advertise" the very game the forums serve...genius!

failed you, maybe.

I'm happy as a clam. =)