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The shield in Stark's lab in Iron Man 1 and 2 was an unfinished prototype.

Adamantium being part of Cap's shield was for a long time in the comics an error. The shield was originalll described in the comics as being vibranium alloy that through a process that has yet to be replicated was bonded with steel (the catalyst that allowed the bonding has never been rediscovered) and shaped into what would be the shield (i think it was stated that it was going to be a hatch for a tank made of the same alloy but since the alloy was never replicated it became his shield.)

There never has been adamantium in Cap's shield. In fact, I can't recall for certain but I think experiments to replicate the shield alloy is what ended up creating adamantium. Cap's shield can and has resisted both Wolverine's claws and the hammer of THOR which is made of uru, a mystical and nigh indestructible alloy.

Edit: just rechecked: I was right. Adamantium in the MU is the result of efforts to replicate the shield alloy.

The only known times the shield was damaged after it was deemed to be indestructible were:

1. Molecule Man: disintegrated the shield then later called its molecules back together to restore the shield.

2. Secret Wars: Doom steals the Beyonder's power and blasts the heroes. The next issue started with a splash page of the damaged shield.

3. Infinity Gauntlet: smashed by a gauntlet empowered Thanos, restored when Nebula undid all of Thanos' damage

4. angry THOR, King of asgard, wielder of the Odinpower, dented Cap's shield. THOR later fixed it.

I think it was more when he got the flag, knowing that he had minimal chance of climbing that pole to get it he instead used his brain to come up with another way to get it. Wasn't quite against the rules and the "Wow..." expression on everyone's face as he did it and gave the flag to the sarge was rather priceless.

The grenade scene: An uncle of mine was in the service during 'Nam and he once told me that if you throw a grenade at a group of 10 soldiers that it is 99% likely that all of them will give in to the self preservation instinct and get out of the pending blast area. There is no shame in that, after all no one wants to get blown up. But he also stated that on very rare occasions you will find a soldier that will unthinkingly throw himself onto the grenade or attempt to pick up and hurl the grenade away in an attempt to save everyone.

Steve Rogers was always a good person ready to help others even before became Cap, so yeah throwing himself on a grenade would be in character.

Hm, well the character under Brubaker has undergone some interesting changes. It's possible that Cap's view on terminal force may have evolved/altered a bit.

In fact, didn't Marvel consider making Cap a "propaganda" character again after the 9/11 attack, similar to how he was in the 40's and then dropped the idea? Been awhile since I read those issues.

Making the shield transparent like that was dumb. Couldn't they afford some white paint for the white circles?

Now the motorcycle helmet as part of his mask isn't too bad if an idea if it's a kevlar helmet, but I suspect it wasn't.

I haven't heard of them going DVD, I doubt there is much demand for them but perhaps with the success of this new movie maybe they will make a few DVD's of these.

Cap is a soldier, first and foremost. He understands that war and violence will lead to death, however it is likely that he regretted having to kill them even though there may not have been a choice at the time.

Captain America is a super soldier. Granted at first he was used as a propganda tool during the war, but once in combat his superiors would expect him to use any and all means to complete the mission, including kill. Cap knew it was a war and that the enemies he was facing for the most part had no regard for human life, etc etc etc. So to expect Cap to NOT kill is crazy. To expect Cap to NOT like having killed however is more sensible. Cap has never enjoyed killing anyone, even the enemies of WW2.

There was an issue of Cap (somewhere in the 300's I think) where he was force to kill a member of the terrorist group ULTIMATUM. I can't recall the issue verbatim, but I'm sure lives were at stake and the only thing to do was to shoot the terrorist. Cap shot him dead, but regretted his actions for a long, long time.

Cap knows how to kill, but unlike Wolverine, Sabretooth and the Punisher, Cap doesn't enjoy it, does not live to kill, seeks a better way, and always regrets having to use terminal force. This could be why he was judged worthy to lift THOR's hammer back around THOR #390

First came the android Torch, then Namor and then Captain America. They were the "Big 3" of the Timely/Atlas (Pre-Marvel comics) era. Also the Torch was created in the 30's, but one must expect a few changes for the movies.

Inherent Stamina, plus the energy mastery ancillary pool for the physical perfection power, plus Alpha slotting Cardiac.

To be honest with some of the power the Avengers have, terminal force would seem a bit hard to avoid.

Or else Hugo was informed that the Red Skull wears the mask all the time and shoved extra cash his way

But at least he did wear the mask all the time unlike Stallone as Dredd minus the helmet....

She was saying Code 13 and was likely disguised to resemble/look like Peggy. Remember, Fury does tell him they wanted to ease him into modern times since he's been on ice for 70 years

Ok I'll clarify it a bit.

Captain America: Steve Rogers, and James "Bucky" Barnes first appeared in Captain America Comics #1 back in the 40's. The cover has Cap punching out Adolph. The series would run 78 issues plus they'd appear in other series at the time. The both survived the war and kept up the fight against evil, in 1948 Bucky was shot and badly wounded and had to retire. Cap's girl friend at the time, Betsy Ross (yes that was her name), would become the new sidekick Golden Girl. This would last until the end of the series. This series was produced by Timely/Atlas the predecessors to Marvel comics.

Marvel Comics arises from the ashes of Timely/Atlas.

It was decided to bring Captain America into the new Marvel Universe, so it was retconned that he was frozen in ice at the end of the war on his last mission and the last thing he was saw was the booby trapped plane exploding with Bucky on it. The Avengers find him, he revives, is a bit confused and not in the best of moods at the moment, but confirms that he is indeed CAPTAIN AMERICA.

However this retcon completely skewed the history of Cap as it doesn't fit with the Timely/Atlas series. So it was decided that after Cap was frozen and presumed killed in action, that President Wilson asks the adventurer called Spirit of 76 to take over as Captain America and a kid named Fred Davis that impersonated Bucky previously to be the new Bucky. They both resembled the originals enough to carry on the roles so that people wouldn't despair that Captain America was dead.

So we now have: Captain America 2, once known as the Spirit of 76, name was William Naslund and Fred Davis as Bucky 2. For whatever reason they decided to have Naslund killed early in his career as Captain America, he was dying after his ribcage was crushed fighing the android Adam 2. Jeffrey Mace, the hero called the Patriot finds him and takes up the identity of Captain America.

So now we have Captain America 3: Jeffery Mace once known as the Patriot, with Fred Davis as Bucky 2 helping to train Mace on Cap's history and how to emulate Cap's behavior to keep up the act. They would serve with the All Winners Squad after the war as well as fight local crime.

Now the year is 1948 and thanks to all the retconning, it is Fred Davis as Bucky 2 that is shot and too wounded to keep serving as Bucky. Mace's girlfriend Betsy Ross becomes his new sidekick. Mace eventually retires as Captain America.

Reference the 2010 miniseries: Captain America: Patriot for more info on Mace as Cap including the revelation that Betsy Ross is related to General Ross from the Hulk.

Captain America 4: also known as the Captain America of the 1950's or 50's Cap. This was a person who grew up worshiping Captain America and wanted to be like him. He studied Cap and all his adventures and eventually finds the lost Super Soldier Serum in an old german notebook. He contacts the govt and they setup a plan for him to be the new Cap and that he would fight in Korea. He is surgically altered to look and sound like Steve Rogers and legally changes his name to Steve Rogers as well. The plan was aborted when the Korean war ended and he becomes a teacher. He meets a student, Jack Monroe, who is also a Cap fan. They take the serum and become the new Cap and Bucky to fight the evil commies. They become insane and are put in cryo until they can be cured. After Rogers returns as Captain America they eventuially get released and face the man they once idolized. Cap 4 gets beaten, Jack gets eventually cured and becomes Nomad. Cap 4 is presumed killed after being brain twisted into becoming a villain. Cap 4 was brought back in recent years and is again presumed killed.

Captain America 5: John Walker aka the Super Patriot. Is assigned the identity by the govt after Rogers quits as Cap. However his ID was outed and he watched as his parent were gunned down. He kinda went a bit crazy from that and would start using lethal force. His friend Lemar Hoskins would be the 4th Bucky albeit very briefly. This was due Lemar being black and the term "buck" being racist so he was changed into the hero known as Battlestar. John Walker would eventually become the USAgent.

Captain America 6: the original Bucky. Having been brought back as the Russian super soldier called the Winter Soldier until his memories were restored, Bucky became the new Cap when Rogers was presumed dead. After Rogers returns, he asks Bucky to keep being Cap until he is brought to trial for his crimes as Winter Soldier. He was found not guilty in American courts but deemed to controversial to keep being Captain America. However it was as Captain America that he was killed in the FEAR ITSELF mega event.

Captain America 7: a recent story had a soldier augmented to near superhuman strength and speed and setup as the new Captain America. Steve Rogers, commander of Shield now, wasn't too thrilled with this and had him under surveillance. This new Cap was quickly abducted by AIM and was going to be killed until he was saved by Rogers. Rogers then tells him to quit being Captain America as he is unfit for the role. It was then shown to be a secret plan of Nick Fury's to set this new Cap up to fail to help goad Rogers into returning to being Captain America. This plus Bucky perishing in FEAR prompted Rogers to suit up once again.

No prob. Also the history of the Red Skull is also a bit lengthy at twisted.

For example: Johann Schmidt whom many know as the Red Skull is not the original Red Skull.

George Maxon, first appeared in Captain America Comics #1 in the 40's as the Red Skull. He was an American businessman and a spy for the enemy. He was believed killed in battle against Captain America but in the silver age he was brought back to face Cap again and was revealed/retconned to be an agent of Johaan Schmidt, the true Red Skull.

Captain America comics #7 is the first appearance of Johann Schmidt as the Red Skull. An orphan that lived on the streets, did menial jobs, developed a dark and deep hatred of humanity. When working as a bellhop at a hotel he was bringing items to Adolph's room where an officer was being lectured and chastised by Adolph. Adolph claimed he could make a better officer out of the mere bellhop in the room and then he sensed a dark and kindred spirit in Johann and personally trained him and gave him his uniform and mask of the Red Skull. Red Skull was in charge of espionage and sabotage throughout Europe and the propaganda effect of his appearance was so great that the Allies countered by taking the sole recipient of Project Rebirth, Steve Rogers, and making him into Captain America.
They clashed many times during the war and into the 50's. As part of the retcon that brought Rogers into the MU, it was stated that in their last WW2 battle, the Skull was left in a bombed building but exposure to an experimental gas put him in suspended animation for years.

Captain America Comics #61 is said to be the first appearance of Albert Malik has the third Red Skull, that issue did not reference him as a new Skull since at the time there was no Marvel comics so Albert Malik is part of the retcon just as the 50's Cap and Bucky were not Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes. He was a communist agent that decided to use the reputation of the Red Skull for his own ends, and among his crimes is being responsible for the death of Peter Parker's parents. Years later in Captain America, Malik was seen breaking out of a prison and planned to resume using the Red Skull identity since at the time the true Skull was believed to have died in Cap #300, however the true Skull was in hiding and had ordered the Scourge of the Underworld to kill Malik for daring to usurp his name. Malik was shot and fell from a flying helicoptor and is presumed gone.

Schmidt is again considered dead but his daughter Synthia aka Sin is taking up where he left off. Her face was also wrecked in an explosion so that she is disfigured and burned to the point where her face and head are.....a red skull.

Truly Captain America and the Red Skull are two of the most enduring characters that Jack Kirby helped create.

I'll add this also:

Back in the Captain America Comics of the 40's and 50's from Timely/Atlas (Marvel's previous incarnations as a company), the book always had Steve Rogers as Captain America. Both he and Bucky survived the war and would eventually fight the communists. The original Bucky, James Barnes, was shot and wounded too badly to continue as Bucky as I recall. Fred Davis becomes the next Bucky until he was shot in the leg and had a permenant limp afterwards. Cap's next partner was then a woman, whose character name escapes me.

After Marvel Comics got started, they did a story with Johnny Storm as the Torch that had a foe of his masquerading as Captain America who was exposed as a phony. At the end of the story was a caption box that asked fans if they wanted Captain America back in action. The answer was a resounding: YES. Thus comes Avengers #4, the Submariner at the time was a villain, or at least a bit deranged, and came across some Eskimos worshipping a frozen man. He drives them off and hurls the frozen person into the sea where the ice block drifted to warmer waters and began to thaw and melt. The Avengers are in their submarine searching for Submariner when they see a figure floating in the waters and pull him aboard. Beneath the torn military uniform he wore was the costume and shield of Captain America. He wakes up, a bit confused, has a brief skirmish with the Avengers until he calms down and tells the story of his last mission in the war, which was about an experimental plane being stolen by the enemy and how it was booby trapped and Bucky was killed in the explosion and Cap fell into the icy waters. This story was a major retcon from Cap's history in Captain America Comics, and part of the retcon was that Bucky was killed due to Stan Lee having an "anti sidekick philosophy" at the time.

The retcon is expanded in later years and it's shown that the Spirit of 76 and Fred Davis were asked to take over as Cap and Bucky by the President so that the public and military wouldn't be demoralized by the knowledge that Cap was gone. Spirit of 76 was killed pretty quick and Jeff Mace aka the Patriot becomes the 3rd Captain America with Fred as Bucky. Fred gets wounded and Cap gets a new partner for a time until he retires as Cap. In later years the Patriot would perish from cancer. The Cap of the 1950's, the "Commie smasher" Cap, was a man who idolized Captain America and wanted to be him to the point that he wrote essays on Cap and found an old Nazi storage area that contained a book that had the formula to the super soldier serum in it. He has himself alerted to look and sound like Rogers and the deal was that the govt would deploy him in Korea but that war ended before he was ready. He then becomes a teacher and meets another Cap fan, Jack Monroe. They decide to be the new Cap and Bucky and take the serum and fight the commies. The serum drove them nuts and they were captured and put in suspended animation. Jack eventually gets better and becomes Nomad. The other Cap would be brainwashed into becoming an enemy of Cap and be supposedly killed until he was recently brought back in the comics for a time. Last I heard was that he was killed again but of course there is always a door open for a return.

For years Bucky was on the officially unofficial DO NOT RESURRECT list until Ed Brubaker brought him back as the Winter Soldier. He is eventually rescued from that, takes over as Cap when Steve was "dead", and continued as Cap after Steve returned and was recently killed in the current FEAR ITSELF mega event. He had a hole punched through his chest so I'm not sure how they will undo that to bring him back, but of course this was also done to get Rogers back as Cap for the movie.

Last I read was that the estate won the rights to Superman as shown in Action Comics #1, was there an update to the case?

Hey that's fine, mileage varies and all that.

Also I enjoy my bases as well (fusion gen, the giant ceiling AI computer system, all TP units, storage, etc.) but with the lack of changes to bases, base raids apparently still offline, and that it looks like nothing new is coming for bases in the near future, I just wonder if a base nowadays is worth it.

Not dismantling mine anytime soon of course, just not spending any more time organzing/designing them.

For Lam, my MM's tend to dismiss pets and use Judgement, Rebirth to help heals, and their secondary powers to aid the others, that way pet aggro or pets falling behind is a non issue. Among my MM's are poison, FF, trap and storm so they can still assist well without the pets. Once the weapon/acid part is cleared, the bots come back out ready for Marauder.

Keyes: keep ur MM alive between bursts as last time I ran it the pets didn't take damage from the pulse (note: this may have changed or is a "bug"), be smart and keep them on a leash so they don't aggro Antimatter, and of course there is the Avoids the Green badge issue with pets which is allegedly fixed.

Baf: heh, for my pets it is like skeet shooting (with nukes).

Very nice.

Hm, wonder if they could pull off a WW2 themed movie with the Android Torch?

Granted modern fans would likely be confused in regards to Johnny Storm/FF, but it shouldn't take much to educate them on Jim Hammond's history as the Original Human Torch.

Haven't seen it yet, but please elaborate on this. Was it the android Torch in a display tube, was it his tech specs diagrams or was he actually lit up?



I stil chuckle at times about how Marvel claims they have no Human Torch since the alleged death of Johnny Storm when only months prior they revived first Toro and then the original Torch for the big Invaders anniversary reunion.

The costume and shield were more accurate in the 1990 film, yes.

Sadly that is about all I can think of in terms of good things about 1990 movie.

I think in the comics Cap has rode with the shield on his back or on the front of the bike as needs dictate.