Nefarious_EU

well the debuffing might work, but i dont wanna know the crazy numbers needed to get his regen/resistance low enough. We tried mass debuffing last raid (during holding phase AND attack phase) yet still couldnt hold nor hit him hard enough. Like I said, might be a numbers issue, but i fear you need massive numbers again with the possibility that some classes will be rendered near useless (lag issues etc)..

btw, copied from same link jiaozy gave (not sure if its VERY useful)
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Hamidon's resistance can be debuffed. It appears that Hamidon resists the resistance debuffs, so it takes a significant number of resistance debuffs stacked to significantly lower his resistance.

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think i see what you're gettin at mate, if its bout mass novas, that was partially the plan last raid.

aye, if you know how to move and employ your pets, MMs are pretty good in 1v1 and the occasional 1v2. What I normally like to do with my robo/poison MM is to just send my bots out to attack, debuff em with envenom/weaken/neurotoxic breath and those annoying flying blasters just get a shot from my hold to bring em down

nothing is more fun than to bring down a flying foe and watch em trying to get up in the air again by constantly jumping like a bird with clipped wings

right, got full team now then, being:

Manf (empath)
Unit/Twiztid Sun (depends on if Unit hits 39 in time)
Deluge
NeoArc
Dr Gullible
Kid Hellfire
Double Shade (yes its after 1 pm, as sait in original post its at 7 pm)
and of course yours truly

I'd suggest we all just meet at woodsman at 7.

Cya guys there!

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Can we multiple mito-tank?

Well, my thoughts were, can we have the tanks with some healers draw out the mitos from the hami, and then have scrappers and blasters take him down?

I'm curious as to how the Hami spawns mitos. If he 'tops them up' to be the number in the hive, then any number of spawns could be maxed out, and if you ahve some mito-tanks out there and the hami-tank then you could possibly knock it down without spawn-wipes?

Very hard to test I'm sure

Just a thought.

Another is can we mass confuse the Giant Monsters into hitting the mitos or hami for us, heh. The mushroom one has a choke-hold right? Bah.

I dunno, seems like something new has to happen. Will be very hard with the amount of people defecting to CoV, no matter what happens.

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Clearing mitos is not the problem, could do that easily even with the limited number of people we had on previous 2 raids. Took us bout 2 hrs to do it last raid and we had bout 50-60 ppl then.

Bout the max out hami spawn, we tried that last raid as well, but a full force attack on him with every power we got, we couldnt even get him near that 50% let alone be able to get him past that 50% with a limited amount of people to control the spawn. The damage we done varied from 1-9 per hit, with the 9 being a fully buffed sniper blast. Combine that with his crazy regen rate and you'll understand it will be hard to bring him down in that matter.

Dont think you need tanks for the mitos, PA drops are quite efficient in keeping mito aggro, as long as the droppers know what theyre doing.

thusfar we got 6.. 2 spots open

If real life permits i plan to do the eden trial with my shade this wednesday (30 nov) at 7 pm GMT. If you care to join just pm me or post here.

hehe, very true.. must say I find it great that nobody pulled monsters or intentionally aggroed hami

Like said in question thread, i'll be there: Stagefright - lvl 50 ill controller (so 2 holds )

Oh, and eagle, in response to your comment:

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Well if we get more controlers this time it should be do able but we need some thing like 30 of them.

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There is this answer from the US boards (based on one of their raids):
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Post ED with a high of 29 controllers - 50+ epic holds and 9 AM’s could not establish a hold - tried for almost 2 hours after Mitos defeated.

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Must say that asking for people to show up without a date up front will make planning hard.

think the other big problem is just the lack of interest cause of ED and CoV.. i know quite some people that dont enjoy their hero anymore cause of ED and of course alot of people that play CoV. However I do agree that not slotting correctly has affected it. People either use special global ED builds or their old pre-I6 builds. However for hami you need special slots.

Coming to that, I'd suggest you read the following (collected from US boards where they DO have the numbers):
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Pre HO change attendance averaged 150 - to a high of 225. Some times occurring twice a day. Raid duration 3-4 hours.
Post HO change raids stopped for a week then raids dropped at most once a day. Attendance 50 - 100. Raid duration 3-4 hours.
Post i5 raids stopped for more than a week. Attendance 40 -75 (many times cancelled due to lack of numbers) Raid duration 3-4 hours.
Developed new raid plan…Duration dropped to a low of 37 minutes to 90 minutes. Attendance grew to 50 -100
ED and/or i6/CoV only two raids attempted. Durations for both 3 hours +. Attendance on both reached a max of 75-80. Both were ties.

Win conditions:

Pre HO change 12 - 18 Controllers with another 20-30 epic holds. Smallest number on Infinity with a win was 42 total peeps.
Post HO change same…but many no longer interested.
Post i5 change Controllers - 30+
New raid plan. 20 controllers with 8-10 AM’s
Post ED with a high of 29 controllers - 50+ epic holds and 9 AM’s could not establish a hold - tried for almost 2 hours after Mitos defeated.

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Now I might be a big pessimist here, but I doubt we got that many controllers available and we need even more to establish a hold.

However if you want to use the old and tested tactic, be sure everybody interested (and especially the organizers) to read this: Clicky

These comments aside, as long as I am available I will help on every attempt that is gonna be made.

aye, thanks to everybody that showed up. I'm sorry we couldnt think of a strategy to actually beat him without requiring massive numbers we probably wont get soon thanks to CoV. Think its back to the drawing board and we WILL beat him once I'm sure of that...
Once more everybody thanks for a fun attempt and having patience even though we didnt dent him in the final phase. The lack of griefing is a victory on its own :P

its all stated in first post.. i just got home cause i was stuck in a big snowstorm here (and got some power outages so i sure hope i wont get one during the raid). But for those who havent read: 6 pm GMT assemble (34 mins ago :P) 7 pm i hope to start, we assemble at the hive gate in Eden

think a little press gang will do wonders :P

and i think we need to resort to nother tactic than holding (thank you ED)

yeah i got some reserves.. spread the word on coh/cov for the past few days as well and those people are also spreading the word so I hope enough will show up. My SG will be there with bout 6/7 50s, velvet (at least he said) will take care of a full hami tanking team + empaths, for the rest its just "lets see who is gonna show up". Thought I said the time? If I forgot, I tend to assemble at 6 pm, start the raid at 7 pm (GMT). Try to show up on time, that's why I made quite a large timeframe to show up

Be sure to spread the word to all your friends/SG mates that are in the lvl range. Especially in CoV seeing most ppl tend to live there nowadays

i think its just a sneaky nerf from the devs to prevent us MMs from growing too strong

it's actually been fixed? HURRAH! (tried it last tuesday but was still bugged then )

well if you are really desperate for an answer you should send a msg to customer support

hm either your site is pretty fked or it is NOT firefox-friendly

afaik, there are 3 contacts per broker. Once you got all 3 you can get heists from your broker but no new contact will be awarded. About outlvling contacts.. you cant outlvl getting new contacts, you CAN outlvl getting mishes. However if you already started a story arc you will keep getting mishes till its completed until you complete it, no matter the lvl. Remember on coh that I was still doing a lvl 10-15 story arc when i hit 50 :P. The enemies however will not be scaled to your current lvl but to the max lvl of that arc if you outlvled it. For getting new contacts, some contacts might not have a "follow-up" contact to give. Others only give it to you once you done sufficient mishes for them or outlvled em by a certain amount. Hope this helps.

to everybody with holds and can reslot em (and are willing to do so of course), I'd suggest using a 4/2 Hold/recharge slotting so we can stack holds fast enough on him using the "old" tactic. (doubt with all the buffs you need acc enhances, and 6slotting for hold is just a waste since ED)

yeah like i said, thats what i thought as well, seeing it would be kinda ridiculous for the small SGs.. i've now tped a low lvl char around to the badges so im sure he got badges IN sg mode, and still no beacon think the game doesnt like our SG

afaik, the only one that gives BB mishes is the warzone operative in BB, and he will keep giving the same mishes till you hit 26 after which you outlvled him and he wont give you more tasks. Bout not getting new mishes, i believe you wont get new contacts until you are 20 or 21, and i truly believe when you hit those lvls you should go to the sharkhead broker and do mishes there

bout people drawing you into mobs so you get debt i think you should petition them, cause even if it is PvP i think this still counts as griefing.

heard the whole thing was bugged atm (i.e. everybody loses conn to server after you clear the vines) would also love to join but im prolly too high lvl for your team (26) and i prolly wont be on that early

second of all, compared to this, the coh respec is a walk in the park :P

think we run out of members faster than we run out of leaders lol but seeing possible new tactics might need some micromanagement, lots of leaders may be a good thing just be sure to spread the word to your friends, SG mates, etc..

damn you ji! now i got that jingle stuck in my head again! (yes i know i was the one that got that jingle in your heads during the raid but that was your own fault..)

start a thread bout it? this is a thread isnt it?