Memphis_Bill

I think my comparison was a hyper little dog in a room full of bouncing balls, always chasing the next one. It *is* one of the things that gets frustrating. AE is kinda-sorta getting attention (getting newer devs choices on occasion,) but it needs a lot of work. Bases - we've gotten hacked teleporters, yay... but apparently the person in charge of the base editor didn't comment on his code and trying to do anything there breaks things badly. (For instance.) PVP... whole can of worms there.

A lot gets forgotten or left behind.

Incorrect. THey'd be charging to finish the work they started already by producing the car.

Again, incorrect. You'll note I mention being fine with purchasing additional alternate animations and such. THOSE are closer to what you're describing here.

Which you'll notice I didn't do. The only thing I mention it ruining is any good will I'd have toward the company if they pulled that sort of a stunt.

However, I expect them to finish working on something they started for free and offer the finished product for free.

I'd be annoyed if they released a new task force free to everyone.... but charged me a fee to be able to run the last mission. Which you're saying is fine, "since you don't need to run that task force."

I'd be annoyed if they released a free costume set for everyone... but charged for the boots and gloves, or for one of the body types when the other two had it free.

And I'd be annoyed if, after giving us 90% of basic customization, they charged for the same basic customization for pool/ancillary/patron powers. (AGAIN, though, I'd be fine with purchasing fancier, new, non-basic animations - a lightning bolt coming down for hasten going off, flames that look like flames for superspeed, etc. as they'd be *beyond* the basic tint/noFX we have for the other powers.)

Again. New, alternate, fancy power customizations (say, a lightning bolt coming down when hasten activates) - fine, charge for those. But *finishing the work they already started and gave us for free* (color/tinting/noFX options) - that should be free. That's *completing prior work.*
I wish people would quit misusing "entitlement" where it doesn't belong.

Bah. Forgot all about him.

... still think the rest needs doing.

There are many times I disagree with J_B. This isn't one of them. In fact, this is one of the things that irritated me enough to leave for a bit.

I understand and support giving new people the freedom to expand the world, possibly taking it in directions the "old guard" never thought of. They're going to see the game as it is *now,* with the storylines in it *now* and the technology that's in it *now* and take advantage of it. That should be encouraged.

However...

As much as I don't like it, I understand some things being abandoned. Avilians, for instance - the original idea for a "winged character" being an Epic AT - are left to a vague reference to hollowed out bones and a few people like me who remember them. They never *really* got a foot in, and tech moved past the need for them - and an Epic AT, as much fun as I think they'd be still, is a lot of work for something that can be done by pretty much anyone now with a costume piece. (Personally, I'd like a Portal mission or two where you find and learn about them... and why the race died off "in game." Just because.) It makes sense that they were abandoned.

Then there are items like the Blood of the Black Stream. They've had more work put in behind them - they're referred to IN the game, and in other promotional materials (the now-defunct, admittedly, CCG where a player character's bio was altered to fit it, the Eye of Horus in the oil spill in Oakes, the Gadzul Oil references.) So they can't be an Epic AT... I see it as a loss, but fine. Use the framework of the lore to expand the world further, take us beyond the Cities again, get Ouro involved again (going to ancient Egypt... which could lead to a little more Kheld content too,) etc. There's a lot of potential in there.

There's another tier of lore out there, too - going back to epics. The Coralax. This one fulfills *so* many wishes I don't understand it not being done. We've got a potential Epic AT, for those that want to focus specifically on Coralax lore (and potentially new variations and combinations of powers not available elsewhere - another "Free for VIP, for sale for everyone else" bit too, to help with the funding.) We have the Underwater zone(s) asked for for how long. We have lore tied in to both COH and COV, though heroside it's more of a guest appearance in the Hollows (why aren't they in IP, pestering Lusca, or Talos or FF?) And to cap it off, we have a goddess to face, or help (Merulina,) for the Incarnate angle when we're done with all the other stuff. This is "old lore" that should really be getting worked on and mined for all it's worth. It can be dealt with throughout multiple level ranges. It should, really, be an issue (even 1 1/2) in and of itself with everything that could be done with it.


Just because it's "old lore" doesn't mean it should be ignored or trashed.

Do they pay to use anything past the first few IOs, or for the entire system? They already get *some* PC free, so I don't feel the comparison holds the least bit of water.

It's an unfinished system that's included free in the base package. This should absolutely *not* be a "free for VIP, everyone else pay" item. They should finish the system and have the whole thing be accessible - though, again, if they came up with animations "above and beyond" color and no-fx (say, for instance, fast-waving hands for Hasten's activation,) that to me would be fine to pay for... just like extra costume options.

If I went in to work and the boss asked me how I was doing on a project, and my answer was "Well, it's 85% done. You'll have to pay me more to get me to finish it," I'd be bouncing on my butt in the parking lot I'd be fired and kicked out so fast.

So, summary:
Pay for pool customization: No.
Pay for extra customization animations, while leaving "noFX" and color options free for everyone: Sure.
Pay for something else (costume set, powerset, etc.) that goes to funding it: Sure.

Apparently they still refer to it. We did get an example of it tossed to us by Sean Fish some time ago - I think talking about the pumicites. Not a lot of info there, and it's not a "Grand plan" of COH layout and lore. Sounded more like COH Cliff Notes, and not everyone reads them.

95% with you.

Any graphical update shouldn't make King's Row shiny. I *like* having part of the zone look industrial - run-down industrial. The effect SHOULD be somewhat jarring. If they can make decent broken and boarded windows...

I still want a phased (not phasing-tech-phased, but multiple issues, with several issues in between) reclaiming and rebuilding of Boomtown, working its way farther into the zone.

"Damned" by whoever has (or can tap) enough power to send a soul or being to a specific dimension. And religiously sanitized is fine, as (a) in game it's simply another dimension, though not a pleasant sounding one (or set of them) for people from ours, and (b) there's been plenty of cursing, etc. long before any one modern religion came about.

Given the coordinates and enough power, in game, Portal Corp. could probably open a way there. (And promptly close it.)

Frankly, I'd see it more as a dimension (or series of dimensions) that gained negative religious overtones as people managed to stumble on them (or beings from them popped over here for whatever.) Sort of like an anti-Canada.

Ahh. OK, yeah. Makes more sense, and yeah, definitely have more fun with a Dom, then.

Well... you can.

One of mine over there is a Sith Marauder. He actually shares something in common (no, not dual blades) with a set complained about here - Titan Weapons.

Titan Weapons has people complaining about the lack of "hit" sounds, so it sounds like you're constantly whiffing. So does the other. It's very strange feeling. I think it's easier to deal with an "I hit" sound that doesn't actually work with you hitting things than it does to hit things without sounding like it.

I hadn't actually realized before that just how much difference a *small* sound can make.

(The other issue over THERE, to me, is one that has to be there for gameplay. In the IP, lightsabers pretty much cut through anything but another lightsaber, at least in the movies - yes, the books mention resistant metals, but you don't see that unless it's a three foot thick door. In the game - even though it has to be this way, obviously - it's like you have to hack away for several minutes at a piece of paper to cut with one. Part of that lack of feeling of power at times, I suppose.)

Only in the area downtown where you can smell both the breweries and the docks (and dead fish) in the summer.

Other than that, perhaps the Pittsburgh airport.

... I just have to return to this and ask why you feel you have to be "sitting in the back?" *Especially* with Elec/Rad?

I mean, roll the doms, they're a freaking blast to play, but it sounds like you've been selling your 'trollers short.

Heh... though that comes up and - think my favourite from that timeframe has to be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ9nZjlsEJQ

(And yay, it has the song back again. Youtube nuked the music for a while.)

I'm on it.


TAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNK! *starts firing wildly at anything not me*