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Atilla: It isn't being shut down.
Miss Eternity:
If it were being done "just because," I'd be right there alongside you saying "Continue with localization of in game files." (Heck, to be honest, I'm surprised we don't have a Spanish-language server.) And you do have my complete sympathy.
It is, unfortunately, a business decision, where they feel cost (including time) outweighs the benefit. After all, localization does take time and slow down the release of content.
The problem with arguing against it? We don't have access to the numbers to *make* a convincing argument. I don't know how many players connect to Vigilance, how many only speak French, or how long it takes to localize the content (not a short while, typically.) Of those players, how many went to a Premium model and buy little or nothing from the store - essentially being nothing but "cost?" You may know X many players still subscribe, or regularly buy things from the store - but what percent is that? We just don't know.
That means the only thing we can argue from is from want and emotion, and unfortunately... that doesn't keep the lights lit or the employees paid.
You, and our other French-speaking players, have my sympathy and support, and I certainly wouldn't argue with keeping French-language (and German - which I at least used to know a bit of) localization in game... I just don't think we have the information to make the case to stop that particular boulder from rolling. -
Can I just say... I don't care?
I know, then why am I posting. Fair enough. But the FP has been static. It hasn't grown - I don't mean "more members," I mean they're the Ted Kennedy of the COH hero world. They're freaking *always there.* You could have left back when I started in Issue 3 and come back - well, not just now, but six months ago, and they'd still be there, and still, quite honestly, be the exact same. (Except for seeing Positron as bald.)
Whether Matt Miller (who, really, is what a lot of this back and forth is about - I highly doubt the 40-odd people or whatever they've hired since becoming PS care about what Jack did) personally had a beef against Jack, or how badly he personally may or may not have wanted to kill off the character of Statesman, or all Jack's creations... I really don't care.
I do, quite frankly, agree it was time to shake that little "core major hero group" up. And having States go into space or something - you'd still have the "He's coming back any time now" possibility. If they wanted to finally make a permanent, "we're free of Cryptic (even if we still use their engine)" break, killing those characters off permanently would symbolically do it quite well.
As far as Psyche dying? We have, to a lesser degree, the same problem we have with Statesman. States is supposed to be the top-of-the-heap, generally the players are second fiddle to him - and we learn he's *restraining himself* from growing into more power like he could. Psyche? Well, other than finally getting someone with a little more that ribbon and mesh for an outfit (really, that thing was embarrassing,) she's again - "The World's Most Powerful" psychic.
We don't need that. The *players* should feel like they're able to at the very least get to the same level (without that "most powerful" title hanging over someone's head,) and with Incarnate stuff, exceed that level of power - and face the challenges that come with it, without The World's Most Powerful Anything hanging right on their shoulder ready to swoop in and save the day if the player screws up.
It removes that cap and says "Yes, YOU can be more powerful than the big names. You're not second string." And it leaves us with people that, while perfectly capable in their own right (depending on the writing...) - are *people.* A guy in a really techy suit of armor, a magic ghost, Penny Yin (who's still young and getting the hang of everything - in a way, also a standin for the players,) someone who's fast, but can be beaten, the "every normal guy, but with money and a bow," and an android.
Frankly, as far as not pushing the player characters down, it's a better Phalanx.
And last but not least, it's just long overdue change in an otherwise very static world. Way back when, Calvin Scott showed up, asked for help, then after a while vanished, the job finished. Since then we've had... what? Faultline revamped. (I don't honestly count the hollows - it's really the same, other than a few new groups.) Now DA. A little expansion into Croatoa. RWZ finally moved forward... and has stayed the same since. Villainside is worse.
Frankly, *more* change and *more* of a dynamic world, where yes, that contact is only going to exist for *this* issue, but will lead into other things two issues later, is needed, as far as I'm concerned.
(Don't mistake this, by the way, for accepting the "We don't want to just keep working on old, we want to give new, and have the new guys work only on their ideas instead of expanding the old" line(s) we've gotten. There's a lot to work with in the "old," and can only help the new folks get more in tune with the world - and help develop it instead of giving it the feeling it has, at times, of half-finished projects left abandoned behind someone.)
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Hmmmm....
I don't think I really have a power set I go to more than any other, but then again, I've got a metric ton of characters, too. Now, I will go through phases of one set a bit more than others, usually as characters come to mind or I try to find a combo I like, but then they sink back down into the "mass of characters."
Though now I'm curious. Wonder if I can get the info from the Titan network on my (somewhat old) list of characters and find out.
Hmm.. yep. Thought I remembered that.
Primaries: EAT/VEATs take up three slots, so I'm skipping them as, while you can make playstyle changes, it kind of skews things.
Robotics - 10
Plant control - 9
Fire control - 8
Fiery Aura - 7
Shield - 7
Empathy - 6
Fire blast - 6
Secondary - same, skipping epics:
Radiation emission - 13
Storm - 10 (which I'm somewhat surprised at.)
Dark Miasma - 9
Nin - 8
Energy Manip - 6
Fiery Aura - 6
Invuln - 6 (Though I think I rerolled one of those.)
Looks like fiery aura and radiation, tied at 13, are the ones City Info Tracker sees most, at least. 13 out of 304 it has listed... so nothing really outstanding percentage wise. -
Taking dates? Well, I've never taken a date to a beta. I tend to find things like dinner, movies, some quiet time somewhere, some not so quiet time at a concert, etc. works far better than "Let's see if we can crash this" for a date.
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Couple thoughts.
First, quality. The devs have said they're not going to do something like they did with this set of stories again - they pushed them out far too fast, affecting both the final product and their work schedule, and it shows. If they're going to *release* them this fast, then they need to be working on them at a far more appropriate pace ahead of time, letting QA really run things through the ringer so we don't get some of the mistakes in text and such that made these look - well, rushed. Someone coming to this later isn't going to have the sense of "They're pushing these out, when's the next one" - they're already in game, and will leave a poor impression. (IE, "THIS is what I'm paying extra for?")
Second, story - this is going to affect the game world as a whole. Looking back on it - it was a poor choice, perhaps, to have as an SSA (other than from a marketing perspective.) These should probably be more focused on "interesting side stories" so that you don't have to (potentially) pay to see the world-changing events. It's - well, sort of like the Kheldians. Everyone sees Moonfire, everyone sees the 1-50 arcs. The Khelds (currently with a price tag) have a whole *other* side storyline "in the shadows" - where, yes, you do save the world, but it's not via an event that everyone would be blind to miss.
I enjoyed the run through the arcs, even as the "rushed" feeling of them started to show later. I do somewhat wish they would have just stuck to "X level and up" instead of raising it, personally.
All that said, would I prefer SSAs vs standard content... I'd prefer both, with the time taken to polish them properly, *especially* when it's something you're going to ask someone to pay extra for. -
Haven't really read through - title just caught my eye.
I'm a fan of snipes. I think I take them on every... well, non-Dominator that has one. (OK, non dominator, non-Stalker-patron-power.) Always have, since my first Elec/Elec.
Issues for me:
- Long wait/animation. Yes, it "feels" right to do that with a snipe. It should be a long animation. Just maybe not "that" long. Even a half second or so would be noticable, shaved off.
- The second tohit check. This is just annoying to me for the number of things that "block" it... an I-beam or tree thinner than the target? Really?
- Not *as* usable in combat. I can hover-snipe or, in some situations, pop lucks, sure. Giving this the AS treatment (I'll go for a little lower damage done that way, as long as it's still a reasonable attack) would specifically help with a complaint some have with one specific set - electric blast.
Don't mind:
- The interrupt time. Really, I don't.
Wouldn't mind:
- an on-impact AOE "stun" or something for a few seconds. Or fear. I'm good with fear. It's one of the psychological advantages of a "real" snipe, after all - some simulation of it in game wouldn't be amiss.
As far as damage... I'll let people who play with numbers more deal with that. A bit more, I think, wouldn't be amiss "when used as a snipe." (assuming the in-combat/out-of-combat dual mode is doable somehow.) Though I certainly won't turn more damage down, defender-side. -
Quote:Defiance 1.0 was bad. And that (and what it encouraged) led to what, IIRC, got the devs to revamp it - excessive deaths. (I *believe* that was the main measure they gave - blasters were dying far too much.)There are two theories on the severely underperform.
There is arcanvile's, which goes "Blasters were underperforming everything prior to defiance 2.0, defiance 2.0 couldn't have been enough so they still must be"
There is mine which goes "Blasters in general under damage other direct damage ATs and if you multiply their survivability by their damage output they have a low figure of merit."
I'll have to ask Arcanaville to explain "couldn't have been enough so they still must be," as I really don't see quite what you're meaning by it - I get a damage buff for attacking, I can partially ignore mez - a solid mez, even long term like from Malta stuns, isnt' a death sentence. While mezzed, I can keep attacking and even have a measure of control to keep things that would *really* hurt in melee away from me, in most instances.
Now, asking about specific sets, again... yeah, all for buffs and changes there.
As for your viewpoint... I don't know. Not saying you're wrong, but we must play somewhat differently. My survivability's not bad, IMHO - I don't have armor, obviously (nor do I want it, outside of the APPs, in most cases) but I do have various forms of control to shut down problem mobs. I'll close (adding more and more firepower as I get closer,) I'll move away - I'm fairly always in motion. Some things are, of course, worse than others to face (Carnies, especially MIs, are murder on blasters - you can't keep a specific attack chain going unless you're quick, they spawn stacked mezzes and debuffs (DS) as well as some knockback, which keeps you from taking advantage of their unphased window to attack.)
Then again, that makes beating them *all* that much more satisfying.
Usually, if I'm dying a lot, I'm approaching something incorrectly (or just don't care and am rushing in for some reason) and a change in tactics (or gaining a temporary boost from an inspiration or three) takes care of it.
Of course, I'm also not going out to solo GMs - no particular interest in doing so. *shrug* I don't care about running +4/x8. I'll up difficulty (and slide it up or back depending on what I'm facing and how I'm feeling any particular night,) but I'm not one of the folks who "has to run at max settings or I'm wasting my time" or whatnot.
I am, basically, happy with where blasters are now, in general, wanting (again) only a few tweaks to a set or two. -
Quote:Every once in a while, I have to try. Either to get them to get out of the "But it's XYZ, obviously!" assumption they take for their arguments - or, hey, if they can convince me, who will most *definitely* argue my own viewpointYou can lead a horse to water but you can't make them think. Best to just leave them be and perhaps swing back by in a few years and ask them what became of their 2012 theories and "evidence" and hope they haven't forgotten all about that but now are deep into another one.
I'll take that, too.
I used to be where the "believers" were. (I don't mean that term derogatorily, in case anyone's reading that wrong.) Erich von Daniken (or however his name was,) all the "project blue book discrepancies," the Bermuda Triangle (obviously linked in!) and the like, I ate it up.
In a way, it's much like religion. It links you into "something bigger." For some people, it gives a sense of hope (the "space brothers" will save the human race!) or just a sense of being in an "in" crowd on a secret (that, for bonus points, the government is trying to hush up.)
But, just like religion... the cracks and inconsistencies just started adding up to the point where I couldn't ignore them any more. I *had* to go looking - "obviously" this was happening, there must be some evidence (add "the government hadn't squirreled away in a warehouse" for more fun.) But... there wasn't. And the more I'd look, the more these really *did* have a simple explanation - the person was wrong about what they saw, sometimes fabricating things deliberately, but most often just not being aware of what they saw and leaping to the conclusion of "aliens."
It also doesn't help their case that they're always "alone" or with just another buddy or something. I mean, there's a highway patrol, and other drivers - if you get zapped out of your car (leaving it abandoned on the side of the road,) nobody notices? Nobody (pre-cell phone) drives into town and flags down a policeman? They don't sit there with their car also dead from UFO-beams or whatnot until you arrive back?
Basically, people were saying they put one and one together and came out with lemon meringue pie. It just doesn't work that way. And so, yes, I'm solidly skeptical until someone has physical, scientifically tested and verified proof. And I'll be honest - I really, really hope someone does in my lifetime. But I'm not going to take fairly sketchy accounts and conspiracy theories as anything more than a basis for someone's book. -
I don't disbelieve you had... something happen. Here's the thing. Scientifically speaking, eyewitness accounts - yeah, they're pretty much useless. Now, even saying "Well, I was with my two buddies!" - ok, we have a tendancy to start comparing in a group, modifying, and reinforcing each others conclusions, even if they're *completely* wrong. Feeling like you're being watched? That's absolutely ancient. We (daylight) humans tend to fear the dark, the hidden, the unknown. We make up monsters, gods and demons - and aliens - to fill those spots.
If you want to prove to me - or anyone else, and have me say "OK. I'm now paying attention. I believe you" to being abducted? You just said you saw "technology beyond what we have here." ... we have some pretty funky tech in spaces. If at all possible, *grab proof.* I don't mean reach for the Super Quantum Defluxibiliator Ray And Pizza Oven. *ANYTHING* there is going to be different than anything here - the manufacturing marks, the warning label, the preferred alloys. Grab their version of a ballpoint pen and stick it somewhere. Then *take it to a scientist.* Take it to a metallurgist. Without saying "I was with these aliens," see what they say.
When they tell you "I haven't seen anything like this, this is unusual," and they've deduced *for themselves* that it's not something from around these parts, THEN tell them what you saw and experienced.
If you couldnt' grab something, but know (not think you know but *know*) the location, bring people back there. If the aliens are still there, you now have a repeatable experiment - and the area can be checked for anything that can cause a change in sensation (after all, the Greek oracles "spoke to the gods" because they were getting buzzed on volcanic gasses and the like.) If they aren't there, but they physically were previously, *something* will be left. You have mass and matter on top of other matter, energy being directed, whatever. Not as good, but "something" would have been there.
Quote:If you read back, I fully expect there to be intelligent life "out there." The odds favor it. After all, life, as we know it, is made up of some of the most common elements in the universe. And planetary systems? You can't throw a rock without hitting one, it seems. So, yes, I do believe "intelligent life is out there."We don't need for them to show up to figure that out.
It's as simple as looking up in the sky at night.
Intelligent life is out there.
Until I have proof, though, I don't believe they've gone from out there to visiting here. -
Quote:By the way. You're talking to someone with over 300 alts. Most non or barely IO'd - so, yes, DOs/SOs of varying levels, some slots empty even. I have them at all levels, and switch between them regularly. Often within the same play session.That's a wonderful idea. Take a lot of sets from a lot of ATs, and compare power with no outside help. No incarnate, no enhancements. See how Blasters compare, then realize they do need a buff.
And with that, I say you're wrong, they do not need an (overall) buff. Individual sets, yes. Overall, no.
Edit 1:
*generally I push for two things - a buff for Electric (give me a chain-shocking Sparky, for one) and a replacement or some adjustment for Time Bomb.
Edit 2:
Idle musing. I actually wonder how much of an attitude change came due to Inherent Fitness, not just IOs. Before, we had to *really* pick and choose what powers (and when) to take them, since most people wanted to set aside 3 spots to get to Stamina. Now, "eh, just grab everything" is feasable... and then we throw IOs into the mix. -
Y'know, if people are all so hot and bothered over whether an AT is "powerful" enough to fulfill its role or not, why are we worrying *in the least* about IOs, soloing GMs, etc?
That's more comparing sets and slotting.
Someone's saying blasters are 'severely' underperforming. By what standard? By "My IO'd out XYZ can do such and such?" Know what? I don't care.
My blasters do damage. They do more than the lower-damage squishies. They don't have defenses in most cases, but typically do have various sorts of control to affect the way the fight goes. Some are stronger with ST, some are stronger on AOE. Some sets do need some attention, sure. But the AT as a whole? No, I do not agree in the least that it's "severely" underperforming.
You want to compare, strip your IOs and run on SOs, and de-slot your Incarnate powers. Then you can compare the ATs instead of the sets and bonuses and Incarnate tiers. If you can (honestly) barely notice the difference, with decent slotting, between, oh, a Blaster and Defender, using the same primary, then talk about a buff. -
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Quote:Assuming similar development, they're not going to detect planets that could support light via telescopes until long after (and with the help of) radio.Who said anything about radio signals? Our first thought is to examine stars like our own for planets and life.
Quote:Provided they've found a way to shortcut space (which we're looking for ways of doing), the energy and distance requirement is meaningless.
Quote:Ya know what...forget it.
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Quote:... you are aware that we have satellites around the sun, near Mercury, etc. already, yes? We started looking into that sort of thing without any sort of "mystery UFOs."See a massive object near the sun? Think on what that would do for either materials science, energy shielding, heat dissipation/absorption, or any sundry of things. People would start looking at ways to imitate that or use the knowledge that it simply IS possible.
Quote:What would they do with that information? The mainstream press wouldn't cover it, at best. At worst they'd work to actively discredit it. It would be relegated to conspiracy websites and laughed about. The major universities/think tanks wouldn't touch it, especially if there was any indication their government funding would be pulled if they confirmed it.
And this is why I generally just work on ignoring people who are buried neck deep in their need for conspiracy theories.
The mainstream press will cover, oh, pretty much anything that sounds interesting. They'll skip a lot of the science because they don't get it. However, the mainstream press is not the *only* press. This information would get into journals and specialty (and I don't mean "UFO Today," I mean actually respected) publications.
The government, frankly, would be clueless anyway as they debated what the meaning of "is" is. Meanwhile, the sightings would be confirmed or denied independantly - including by organizations and people with no need or tie to the - or *any,* don't forget we're not just talking about the US here - government.
The government(s) is(are) not "all powerful." Nowhere close. Your premise here is deeply, badly flawed.
Quote:And how many of those claims were things that while interesting, were not complete paradigm/society changers here on Earth? Finding an asteroid or watching a comet smash into Jupiter is not exactly the same as someone seeing a flying saucer pulling over for repairs on the Moon.
Most people don't know what they're seeing to begin with.
Quote:While yes, there are some that are indeed mistaken sightings, do you truly believe that Venus, or swamp gas, or hallucinations, are responsible for everything?
And yes, I do believe misidentifications of common objects and phenomena are responsible for basically everything reported. Why? Because when someone who actually knows what they're talking about works out what they saw and when, it turns out.... that's exactly what they saw.
Eyewitness testimony is *notoriously* unreliable.
Quote:Look at what the US government has been doing with the various trade treaties and laws related to copyright infringement. They're playing a long game there with 'em. Same as game companies with DLC/online passes/etc.
They're playing the "long game" with utterly shortsighted laws and policies for things they don't seem to understand?
Really?
And this has what to do with the discussion at hand, anyway?
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Humans have been in our present form for 200,000 years or so. Do you really think it's inconceivable that there wasn't some visit in that time and they said, "Hmm...we might want to keep a watch on these things...". Come back every so often to see how we are progressing. Probably keep a much closer watch once nuclear energy is discovered and the first fledgling steps into space is taken.
200k years is a long time. Even at 50% of the speed of light, a race could cross the galaxy.
So either they're... what, psychic, somehow, or *extremely* lucky, or have such an excess of population, material and energy they can just "shotgun" the galaxy (with these extremely long trips) ...
Inconceivable? No. Extremely, incredibly unlikely? Yes. I need more proof than "Um, I found this cut in a rock and I think it looks like a spaceship." -
Again... "I saw something way over there" is not "Instant death ray."
Quote:Except that you need to know where to look, what to look for, when to look, and powerful enough scopes to see anything.
Quote:They don't have to threaten them all. Just the first one. Control the methods of dissemination of the knowledge, keep the most likely finders under surveillence.
Quote:All it takes is leverage. Everyone has a skeleton or two in their closet. And when push comes to shove, who is going to believe the backyard astronomer over the guy with multiple ph.Ds in his pocket?
Hint: They *go to them for help* in verifying claims and getting more sightings.
Quote:I don't necessarily believe it. I do believe that the government(s) of the world hide a LOT of secrets and seem to go well out of their way to write stuff off. There's only so many times they can say something is Venus reflecting off of swamp gas and the viewer is drunk.
True story:
Cop called in a UFO that was "zipping back and forth at incredible speeds." People believed because, hey, authority figure, a cop, right? Well, except that someone who *knew* the night sky happened to know, when he worked out where the cop was looking, that he *was* looking at venus.
Why was venus zipping back and forth? Curvy road.
Quote:Maybe, maybe not. People have to play the long game and most simply aren't capable of doing that.
Look, I'd love for there to be confirmation of non-terrestrial complex life. Should I live another 40 years, I'm fairly sure that by the time I die, we'll have the capability of not just directly detecting Earth-size planets, but be able to do analysis of their atmospheres, temperatures, etc. and have a good - oh, 20 candidates for planets capable of sustaining life (or likely having sustained life.) Mathematically, it's silly to think we're alone, just given the number of worlds we've found with our *current* tech in a fairly small region of the galaxy.
But it's a *huge* leap from that if you want me to believe aliens from who-knows-where are flying "earth size ships" through "sun portals" to bother the Mayans, found (or flee from) Atlantis or probe cows and steal our wimminfolk in the middle of the night, or that there's some worldwide conspiracy of governments to "hide the truth." That nonsense belongs in the X-files or bad novels. -
Quote:Nice!Oh dear, old enough to get that joke, but as somebody of that vintage, today I did have the opportunity to talk briefly to Annie Lennox.
Quote:Originally Posted by Generic_PastNow I feel even more old. -
Quote:We're talking about a supposed "sighting of something near the sun." Now, how does that give the Chinese any sort of "Advancement in weapons tech?"China would be one of the last ones to allow discovery of alien life forms out into the public knowledge. Given their track record with hiding or attempting to block information from their own citizens, I can easily see them not letting the cat outta the bag. Especially if the discovery gives them advancements in weapons tech.
Quote:Oh they could.
Quote:Confirmations would be done under strict NDAs and quite possibly the "Say anything and you, your family, your dog, the paperboy, your third grade math teacher, will end up disappeared." treatment.
Then they'll do the same through some massive worldwide network, coordinating with every government on earth (because you know they all get along and agree *so* well) to every single amateur and professional astronomer and astrophysicist (and anyone who happened to be looking as well) around the world.
... are you *sure* you want to believe this?
Quote:Face it. They don't want us knowing that stuff because it makes us easier to control. If there were aliens visiting us and they had hyperdrives or whatever, that would take all the power and control away from Terran governments. And there's one thing governments love and that is control. -
Very nicely done.
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Quote:The way governments work? Some might want to take that tack, sure. Others would want to confirm and trumpet it. Do you really think, for instance, China would *not* point it out - possibly paint it as a threat (while simultaneously lauding their scientists for the "great discovery!" and showing how they're ahead of the Western world?)I can just about say that no Terran government would allow credible and concrete proof of aliens existing to be shown to the unwashed masses. Short of an actual invasion, I can believe that they would cover everything up or at the very least work to discredit those with proof.
Also, governments *could not* cover something like this up. Period. Governments are horrible at tying their own shoelaces without thirty committees. And again, even *if,* somehow, the US government (for instance) kept NASA and every university with an astrophysics department, somehow, from releasing the news - which would still happen *within* the community, as they would need independent verification from *other* astronomers and astrophysicists - there would be multiple upon multiple upon multiple *amateur* astronomers talking about it. Not one "super sekret ZOMG mayan aliens we'll release a film that just happens to be near this overhyped date" group.
There are people looking at the sky constantly, and not just the UFO nuts but people actually *respected* in their field and in the astronomical community. It would be *impossible,* not to mention unwise, to shut them all up. Or to hide what would be, not in some underground bunker or a contained research lab, but in the sky for anyone and everyone to see. -
Quote:*sigh*I like how they say the ET's were using the sun as a portal.
I also thought it was cool how they spotted what looked like an earth sized ship coming out of the sun.
That's so cool!
If any of it is real, I'd love to see it up close.
I'd love to have some of their medical tech.
"They" saw it, huh.
OK, where's the corroboration from NASA? This would be news. (And potentially dangerous - planet size objects, even if we're not talking "That's not a moon, that's a space station!" sci fi, have this little thing called "gravity" everything in the area would have to contend with.)
Government hush-up, as is the common UFO conspiracy nonsense answer? OK, what about from the British, the Russians, the Chinese? The last two, especially, would *love* to be able to announce and confirm something like this before the US if it were real. Big PR coup. How about every *other* nation with any sort of astronomical tie in? Peru's popular, for one. Nada?
World conspiracy between the governments to shut this up?
Then how about the *millions* of amateur astronomers who would be talking about this just to confirm what they're seeing?
Nothing?
Not a peep?
Just some people tying carvings they don't understand into "aliens" and "spaceships" who just *happen* to be evading this same, massive, worldwide conspiracy (which the governments seem to be awfully efficient at even as they bungle everything else, and agree to do when they can't agree on anything else) to present it... on youtube?
... Or, they could be wrong and just shilling for their "OMG, it's 2012, aliens!" wrongumentary. -
I *believe* they'll be in your email. I know a symbol I picked up for the heck of it shows up that way.
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Not trying to beat a specific drum here, it's just on my mind from another recent thread.
"City of Heroes is one MMO that defies convention, going its own way. Nowhere is this more evident than its creative, nonconventional approach to spelling and grammar. Unusual word choices and surprise alphabetical transpositions force you to pay attention and think about what you're reading."