Marcian Tobay

Well, it's either give them the thread or let it go into talk of morality in the great Middle East conflict so...

*Pizza trophy*

I got it. I'm just stuck where I've been stuck since I first heard that line:

"But... but we have spaceships with cannons..."

Besides, when the Loyalists volunteer into service anyone with the Flight super power... Yes. Yes, we can.

Which is why this subject of discussion is called "Moral relativism", not "Good and Evil sameyness".

That's really exaggerating to make a point, but let's try to play this game...

There are a LOT of people that hated Martin Luther King Jr., which is exactly why he had to be who he was: Because the people that hated him were the dominate force in our country. A country that considered itself (As all countries do) to be very moral. People believed their religions justified racism, and that they were doing the right thing.

You and I would call them wrong, but that's the exact moral relativism that I'm trying to explain.

Now, would anyone say EVERYONE'S on the exact same level of morality? Some. But, as I stated before, the best measurement isn't "You're good" or "you're bad". There's "you're better than they who are worse than you".

A more recent example would be the way American society treats the LGBT community. One side feels that denying people rights is evil. The other side feels that advocating or forgiving an immoral lifestyle is evil. Both would think they're right.*

Did I lose my train of thought? It feels like it.

*I am NOT getting into which one is. It's very easy to track my view on these forums, but, rather than derail the thread, I'm summarizing what those sides feel without injecting my own opinion.

I was actually thinking about my statement a bit while I was away from the desk, and I think I need to add a caveat.

The only core human prerogative is to forward the survival of the species. Many have a preference for forwarding their own family line.

As killing for fun is counter-productive to the species, perhaps it can be categorized as “not good”.

Please back up statements like this with more than just one sentence comments. I'm finding this conversation interesting and you an interesting partner for such discourse, but when you are dismissive, it breakwalls the potential.

There's still a meaningful discourse to be had, to be sure. I just like pointing out that morality tends to stem from personal preference, not absolute, universal truths, unless you believe that there is a larger universal truth creating that one in the first place.

This is fun!

If someone makes a moral statement regarding Good or Evil, you can keep asking "Why" in response to everything they say, much like a 3 year old.

Keep at it, and you'll eventually get to the cold, withered core of an excuse: "Because I said so".

Unless one subscribes to the concept of a higher being that throws down rules, the terms "Good" and "Evil" are fluid and relative. Heck, religious morality is the same thing, only ending in "Because THEY said so".

The question of "what is good?" or "what is evil?" is , ultimately, worthless. The only question that really applies is: Are you trying your best to be the best human being you can be?

It's vague, shadowy, and all we have.

*headdesk*

I feel like I just called tech support and was correctly told that the big button labeled on is how I turn on the computer.

HOW did I not think of that!?

It's been going there for a while. Just the push over the edge.

In game chat channel, US side.

For now, we have the global channel:

Loyalists

True citizens of Praetoia will join it.

People who harm animals for any reason are not good people.

vs.

Here's a literal cookbook on how to prepare the animals you eat.

Both are good, virtuous in their culture, and mutually exclusive ideas of what is "good".

Can someone provide me with a link to animal sacrifice being holy and noble? I want to complete the triangle!

I would think it were RolePlaying if we were "in character". Right now, we're just acting zany and finding creative outlets to show our love for GR. None of us is anything more than who are really with a hyperbolized love for whichever faction we want to play.

That being said, I'd love for a GR forum to form and stay, in order to hold the information until it was properly integrated into the game.

Or, since it's a paid expansion... never integrate it, as the conversations won't appeal to everyone.

I'm pretty sure you had canceled only recently. Did you re-up before it took effect?

With Double P here. It's ignorable thread. If you think it's inappropriate, it's a reportable thread.

Even without dev response, there's a conversation going.

This. Recently, a conversation discussing LGBT Rights came onto the forum. While I understand this is a touchy and tricky topic to navigate, it was entirely inappropriate when a certain forum member received a lot of homophobic rhetoric in the form of an anonymous neg-rep. Quite a far toss from what would have been tolerated "in public".

At Hero Con, it was stated explicitly that Recluse and Tyrant would hate each other, if they ever met. Tyrant would hate Recluse because, well, Recluse is a villain and Tyrant thinks that he is the savior of his world. Recluse would hate Tyrant because, well...

Recluse: "ANOTHER Marcus Cole... sonuva... wait... and that one actually killed 'me'!?!?!!?"

(That's almost exactly how the devs explained it. I lol'd.)

Cole Slaw!