Lycantropus

That's all I was asking for to begin with. There was nothing seperating it from the "this is given to this character alone (that can sell, trade, or do whatever with)" vs "this is given to this character alone (and that's it, no take-backs in any capacity!)" I think the destinction is worth some degree of recognition that doesn't currently exist in game.

I'd be happy if the Enhancement Catylist is returned to my Character Email Inbox and deleted out of the current character's salvage tray.

The thing is at the same time, I understand why they (the GM's) couldn't, but see this as a problem inherent in the system that needs to be examined. It's one thing if "all the proper warnings are given and ignored, and then they can't help". It's quite another when "there's not enough proper warning, then the user is screwed because of it" happens. I have given up on any 'fix' to my issue. It's future issues with other player's I'm looking at here.

While I was hoping from that at the beginning, and think it should be part of the status quo, it's not. I'm... okay with that too, I suppose. There's a difference between Paragon Studios and NCsoft's support structure. I can understand why they can't combine (I'm looking at the current Dev Digest concerning such matters) but at the same time (and this is one coming from a 'service industry') that erring on the side of customer goodwill is often the best course taken.

I didn't want to start this as a complaint to get 'free' stuff or anything else. By the time I posted this, the final decision had been made, I accepted it, didn't agree with it, and wanted to put my disappointment out there to let them know, and warn others about it.

At the end of the day, I don't expect or want, anything for this post, other than "don't be this guy, yourself". I think players should feel more protected than that, but there are instances where this is not the case and "Caveat Emptor" is applied, and I feel players have a right to know, which is what got this thread created to begin with.

In this vein, telling me to 'shut up' is the same as telling me 'I don't care I might get screwed, let me get screwed on my own without any forewarning... and you might even be a jerk for trying to warn me about it'.

I've already let it go, and took the 2nd of my 3 Enhancement Catalysts on one of my character's that plan on using the Catalysts. To respond to an earlier post: That's great, in concept, but I have BAD alt-itis. I'm happy with his build/iTrial configuration, and the ammount of work it would take to add in anything new is worthless. I have far too many other characters to work on now that I have him figured out to bother with.

The inclusion of one more set to add ATIO's, for the ammount of time and inf I've spent on him currently is pointless as far as I'm concered for what 3+% that imight be added to his build, and will never be done. I have, currently, a half dozen alts at 50+ (and no, I don't PL one bit, they're all well-earned) that I'm hoping to incarnate at some point, and will take priority to that one character's build.

This thought along ecapsulates my opinion perfectly, Plasma! Thank you.

Yaknow, I'd be fine with this myself if you had any control over the hostage.

In Warburg, you can tell them to "Wait here" and "follow me".

If hostages could do that, and there was a way for ambushes to detect level (meaning what level of the map you're on) it might even be neat, and allow for tactical decisions no matter your AT. Unfortunately, as it is, it's a timesink that doesn't really give the player the ability to apply tactics. However, it can be done in game, and has been applied in a few instances, but almost too little, too late, and appeals to specific AT's more than others... (not that that's a bad thing per-se). (that also goes into my arguments about PvP accomplishments, but I'll leave that for another thread...)

The trick is in the way it's implemented, and how the player can implement it in return. A Brute or Tank can "conceptually" keep barreling through given time, a Blaster/Scrapper/Corrupter/Dominater can "conceptually" keep barreling through relatively easily. A Dom, MM, and Controller...(along with a few exceptions from the other AT's especially depending on level) may need to tell a escort/hostage "stay here" handle the ambushes, then bring them along.

Having played every AT, there's tacical considerations with each in escorts, though in only one instance that I can redily recall (Warburg) that it's applied, and matters.

EDIT: Yaknow, I completely misunderstood what you were saying! My apologies!

I think that's a good idea, and they have "Jail's" on some maps you get sent to instead of the hospital... What would you suggest that would make that more... interesting?

Thanks very much for the support, TonyV But I really don't need any of that. This was more about making the Dev team aware of something I thought was a problem. Once I got that last email from support after giving them my reasons why I felt they should, I pretty much was done with it. They can't change the core policy about transferring things around. I can't imagine the headache the added workload would be, because if they did it once for me... well that opens up a floodgate, so I can see the reason for its existance (obviously not crazy about it though ). That's why I brought it to the forums. To at least provide this info for others, and maybe to point out what could be a serious flaw in one of their systems. (From that perspective... if they really wanted to make it up to me... I'd love the "Bug Hunter" badge but I really don't see that happening LOL) I can think of a few other players making this mistake wouldn't be nearly as easy going.

Anyway, the character I wanted to transfer it to, I already used one of the other 2 I have on him, Even if I still wanted it transferred, I'm not sure who I'd want to transfer it to now, as for the rest, I really don't deserve anything extra special for the mix up. Live and learn and all that.

At this point, I'm more on the bandwagon for making them account bound items. Especially if we'll be earning them with the new DA content. Being able to get them to the ones we actually want them on, as opposed to the alt we're probably running through it to get the threads to start making Incarnate powers to begin with (that's what I'll be doing with it for the most part anyway once my main's are taken care of with the arcs) would be a much more elegant solution, and fit the way the rest of the ATIO system works.

Nope, can't access the Combine Menu from the enhancement tray, has to be in a power (did it earlier today on my MM). Still could do it, I guess if you had another level 50 of the same AT, but then you'd need to use an unslotter too.

Thank you so much Z. After reading other's responses, and how all other aspects of ATIO's work, I really think account bound would be a much more useful solution.

I honestly wasn't trying to come off as "entitled". The only disappointment I had felt was that the GM team wasn't able to 'undo' it back into my email, or transfer it to another character. As I said, if it wasn't something I spent money on (the Super Pack- so I didn't specifically buy something I didn't understand, just got something I didn't understand out of it) or if there were suitable notifications and I just ignored them I wouldn't have bothered the GM team, just smack myself in the head, and move on. I'm not even a little mad at the GM's. They're just following protocal, and doing their job. (I'll admit, I was a little miffed at the 'working as intended, but I know that they didnt' mean it the way I took it at first glance ). Through the exchange they were always polite and responded quickly. At the end of the day, it's just a bit of digital fluff in a game. I have other things to stress over than my pretendy fun time game

In fact, the only one I'm upset with is myself, for not looking up what it was on the Wiki first. On the other hand, should we have to go to a 3rd party source for something so easy to screw up based on what info is available to us in-game? I'm not even mad at the Dev's, because it was probably just an oversight, since there's so many specific warnings about other similar stuff all through the game.

More than anything, this post was to give others warning, toss my 2 cents out there, and point out something that can be a serious issue to the Dev's they may not have realized. At no point was I actually mad, or felt deserving of any special treatment, just disappointed that something so rare can be screwed up so easily.

In fact, the idea that they drop in the new I-22 DA content makes me less upset about it, though I still am disappointed over the situation, and hope they change it to account bound, or give more warnings/information in the email claim sytem for the ones we get that way.

Now that seems straightforward, right? However, everything on the character email list has this warning, ATIO's, Inspriations, and almost all of them can be sold, traded, and transferred. This warning just means that it's going specifically to that character, not that it's character bound. Temp powers seem obvious (though under the circumstances, they should get a similar treatment just because there's always new players) this... especially new tech we haven't seen in game before... not so much.

Well crap, live and learn. I hate bothering support for stuff, but I only have 3, and I paid real money for them. If I didn't, I would have just /e headdesk and proceeded to do whatever I had to do in game to get it on the character I wanted.

So I send my petition to have it transferred to one of my characters that actually could use it, or put it back in my email or something.

Aaaand after a back and forth of a couple emails (always polite from both sides, I won't fault them for that, and I'm not angry with them, they're just doing their job) I basically get a

Working as intended?

Now here's where my problem is:

1) This is something I paid actual money out of pocket for.

2) There is no information you can get out of the Email UI to describe what it exactly is (and warn that it is character bound). The only information you can access is the name of the item, and how many you can claim.

3) There was no specific warning when I went to claim it letting me know it was specifically character bound with no way to transfer it around, and was I sure I wanted to claim it. This is a gross oversight with how many similar prompts that exist in almost every other part of the game.

So now, because of a misclick, something rare and useful is now a piece of clutter in my character's salvage tray... I can't use it on him (I already have his build and am happy with it- No I'm not making an alternate build just to use this one thing). Worse, I can't even delete it so it's there mocking me every time I check my salvage (yes I know that is a little melodramatic, but it's true ). Yes, I woulda', coulda', shoulda' checked exactly what it was on the Paragon Wiki, but I really don't feel I should have to go to an outside source for knowledge about it being character bound.

I'll live with my mistake, not like I have a choice, but I'm very disappointed that there's no blatant BIG SCARY WARNING about this when trying to claim such items.

EDIT: Better yet, can they be changed to account bound instead, so there's at least a safety net with such things?

I really have the feeling that Manticore and Sister Psyche went into it KNOWING it for the trap it was. They didn't bring anyone else like Numina or anyone knowing about magic stuff to help, or Penny or Aurora as psychic backup to help if needed. It seems careless, but I'm betting that they did that because of the 'deep bond' Manticore and Psyche share (which would allow her to keep it private from the Shalice shard in her mind too) and couldn't tell anyone else their plan. This wouldn't be the first time this has happened.

If I were writing it, Manti and Psyche just gave us the key to beating Wade. Sister Psyche's power is her mind (and remember her ability to mind-ride as well). I'm betting Wade got more than just her power, he got her consciousness hiding in his head too, so she's not really dead. She threw the Shalice shard out of her mind, not to save her, but to keep her from interfering (and because she had the opportunity with her boosted mental power). This will be revealed in the last part of the arc where she springs the trap and mind-rides Wade enough to weaken him so the heroes can take him out.

That's my theory anyway. Otherwise, yeah, the way that all went down was pretty dumb.

I think making them part of some Anniversary Pack would be really cool. This is coming from someone that has everything already, so I wouldn't buy it, but I think it would be a nice consideration for those who just didn't have the opportunity.

Just don't include any 'price point' with the badge, make it part of the pack for 'free' with the set. Heck, make it an inexpensive set too, because it all exists in game already, no real development needs to be done to make it happen, so nobody gets upset over being 'price gouged' for a badge. If they were true badge collectors, they would have already gone through the effort of getting it before now anyway, so it's a moot point.

...and if they haven't, that's all the more reason to make it available in some way to them.

Well here's me giving my feedback. My family has 4 accounts. All of them have the slide, I saw to that way back. I have no need for them to be sold, and have all the 'perks' I've been able to get my hands on over the years (not counting the current market, of course).

That said. I would LOVE for it to be available to anyone who wants it. It may be that one perfect thing for someone's character who's missing out because they didn't get into the game soon enough.

I'm all about options. We've had our exclusivity (that's what we paid for) as old as these options are, well into long enough. If the pre-orders can be made options, these should as well.

Time-gate it like during the month of our Anniversary, fine, like the other holiday gear. Then for a whole year they can enjoy the same exclusivity of it we have, for those who come after, or don't get it in time, until next year.

It's all good, and the more options players have for their characters, the better this game is for it.

My bet is that when Wade took her powers, he also got her mind. That even may be the key to defeating him. Getting some help from the 'inside'.

She can mind-ride others. With a suitable host, she doesn't need her old body; look at Mother Mayhem. It's what happened to her. Now her return would ideally be... less insane if she is to return to being a hero... maybe taking over a brain dead body, being put into a mechanical one that can house her consciousness, or take one from a villain... or even becoming a fully psychic entity without a need for a body. This is comic-book fantasy after all.

I just wonder whichever one it is, how Manticore will handle it...

I did until I learned that the fastest way to two points was NOT a straight line, and to just avoid the gulch and go around.

As soon as you saw the stream of "ook ooks" on the side of your screen (because you just passed them) you might as well have gotten ready to hit the "go to hospital" prompt, 'cause you were toast.

There's a part of me that misses that, to tell the truth. Having run it since the revamp (I didn't hate the Hollows like many of my SG mates did) it's lost something in the rush to make it easier. I don't always like when my games are 'too hard' but I don't mind a level of challenge that makes you think either. I think the old Hollows actually did that to a degree. It taught you to be aware of your environment, and rewarded you when you did (well, reward is a little kind... it didn't kill you). Even then, some folks see it as too much effort. I ran with a PuG once that avoided the Hollows (this was before the DFB's, but after the revamp) and not because it was old-hat either.

After asking, not a one had actually ever run it before, they just 'knew' it was harder and not worth the effort compared to grinding radio missions. o.0

I left team and logged shortly thereafter. Somewhere in the back of my head there's been a theory forming about the difference between 'players' and 'gamers' that I keep coming back to. Players are actually interested in what they're doing and playing, gamers are only interested in the progress they can make in a game, without giving much thought to the genre or game itself... or if they do, it's tertiary to the rewards. I may have to give this more thought and start a topic on it at some point, exporing it further...

Anyway. I'm glad you had a good blast from the past . I may have to do it again myself, or at least Oroborous it on a character... it's been a while.

I get what you're saying, but that's why it's a choice (you don't have to take the others). Additionally, the trades should be significant. I tried to illustrate this in the 'trade' for the recipie drop to be from the 'best list'. If you wanted influence, it should be a very large ammount to represent the sacrifice of the XP or 'goodie' Temp Power. The Temp power should have a decent ammount of charges and work well enough to justify the sacrifice (75-100 charges, for example).
Then to get that and the goodie would mean the goodie would be a pretty piece of useless data in your tray, because to keep it balanced with heroes just getting the regular xp/inf instead of the more specialized villain 'cherry picking' choices, would mean the Temp Power would be pretty much effectively worthless. The Death Ray of Doom would barely hit, and when it did, would probably do brawl damage or something. I could see hero players complaining that villains get all the 'good stuff' in Temp Powers and whatnot anyway. There's gotta be a balance of give and take to justify it.

Anyway, The topic has strayed somewhat. My original suggestion was just to get the ball rolling, not justify the topic itself. If you don't like that, what would YOU prefer instead?

Frankly, compared to blueside, redside is floundering, so they're trying to make content that redside players can participate in, but it basically equates to having villains get suckered into helping heroes save the world, because there's so many more hero players they need to cater to. Just no money in doing more specific redside stuff unless more people are interested.

To me, that means a fundamental change in gameplay that makes playing Villains different enough to make them interesting in their own right. The current equality just means I see a lot of "hero" villains who have no reason being heroes in any capacity, other than the player perception of 'blueside is better, and it's easier to find teams'.

The two most fundamental ways I can think of would either be in gameplay itself, or the rewards. Rewards seem to be a good first step, as changes in the gameplay to cater more to various villain motivations would take a lot more work and effort. Obviously not something they're willing to do at the moment with such a smaller playerbase than blueside.

As am I. It won't get any better until there's more redside players to encourage the Dev's to develop more for them specifically.

So you don't like my idea? Again, what would YOU do to make redside a more interesting and unique experience from blueside, to draw more players to stay and/or become villains? That was the point of this, not to merely debate the merits of the first suggestion I popped out with, but get kind of a 'thinktank' going that might help the Dev's figure out ways to make redside more appealing. With redside already created, I really believe it somehow starts with the rewards.

My wife wears glasses and finds the 3-D too dark, and the glasses an irritant. I have your problem with the migraines, so I get where you're coming from.

There's no showings in 2-D at my cinema (though 5 different viewing rooms opening weekend of the 3-D version) I was so irritated, I actually wrote the theatre an email expressing my displeasure. Few folks ever actually say anything, I felt it worth the effort. Even though I'll probably get ignored. Meh.

Doesn't cost much, just takes a lot of tender loving care, and time.

Having kids doesn't hurt either... College... ugh!!

I'm not sure that would fly. Not unless heroes had access to something similar, and I'd rather avoid that. Plus, the trade off is where the balance would lay. Quick, limited, power (the goodie) or long term rewards (xp) or riches (lots of inf), etc.

Plus as Temporary powers with charges there would be better control on the Dev's side to keep it blanced. Assuming the arc that gave a Death Ray of Doom could even be Oroborous-ed, they could adjust it to be an "Echo" power that isn't as strong or has far less charges to it.

Though having villain specific Temp Power recipes (and conversley hero ones) as a seperate thing would be kind of neat, too. Having a [Death Ray] for villains (not a Death Ray of Doom- that would be too powerful ) limited charge high damage attack, it's experimental and the aim isn't too good, but when it hits, WHAM!! Or how about [Handcuffs] for heroes? Short term Melee-range Hold attack (just use the 'cement shoes' animation without the bucket) That's something to think about... They have similar things related to day jobs so... why not?

Again, it's finding ways to make Heroes and Villains play different from each other without giving too much of an advantage to either.

The only problem I have with this is it's yet another form of 'currency' players would have to keep track of.

Folks already are unhappy with all the types of 'currency' they have to keep track of currently (particularly with the Incarnate System) and it's suspected for the next tiers they'll add even more so folks can't 'hoard up' in advance for them. So in that respect, I think that'd be best avoided, if possible.

I would say it might be neat if it's just a thing you build up to garner trust or goods, but the level and alignment systems would probably represent that well enough for gating purposes.

However, I love the idea of Paragon and the Isles becoming integrated. My main villain is a Rogue so he can carry out his nefarious plans in Paragon unhindered. I'd love to take some of my heroes over to the Rogue Isles and help the poor people there against those who would opress them, but for many of them, that would require crossing a line they either can't (in the case of my main hero) or won't and becoming a Vigilante. Plus, unfortunately, there's nothing but radio/paper missions that I can imagine are heroic or villainous acts for my respective characters... but that's another thread alltogether.