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Don't worry... that'll happen next week when it goes on sale -after- everyone rushed to buy it today.

Even if it's not a matter of "profitability" I'd almost rather have to pay extra for these occasional big things on the principle that it will allow them to develop even MORE stuff than they would have been able to if they kept giving us absolutely everything for "free".

I never said we had to pay for ALL new powersets in the past. I'm just making the very obvious point that there have already been other powersets we DID have to pay extra for. Street Justice just happens to be another one of those... big deal. *shrugs*

It's not "new territory" at all. For the handful of powersets we got "for free" there have been plenty of others tied to paid expansions. This just happens to be one of the ones we have to pay extra for. Stop being so dramatic about this.

It's completely unacceptable* for the game to provide me TOO much content. They should stop doing that at once!

* I sincerely hope it was obvious I was being totally sarcastic with this post.

The whole reason we have to pay for this via the Paragon Market is BECAUSE it's not part of a paid expansion. In effect we've had to pay extra for just about every new powerset we've ever gotten. In the past the only way we usually got new powersets were as parts of paid expansions. Because this powerset is being offered on its own it needs to be paid for on its own. There's really no mystery to it. *shrugs*

Yeah it's been in Paragonwiki for like a month now.

It's a pretty far stretch to go from 'Street' to 'Saint'. But it did give me a quick mental image of a melee guy tossing around a bunch of Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch at the bad guys so it was worth the laugh to me.

If you're realistically looking for an official announcement today I'd give them at least another 3 or 4 hours from now so that it's well into their Tuesday morning. They practically never make announcements earlier than that about anything.

One could argue that it's actually the red-headed step-child of Babylon 5 (since DS9 didn't happen until a few years -after- JMS pitched his idea for Babylon 5 to Paramount as a possible TNG spin-off) but at the very least it's better than Voyager.

As a further FYI I think that "special Galaxy portal in Ouroboros" only exists in the blueside Ouroboros. It make sense for it to only be blueside but I just didn't want anyone to think this would be an option for a Rogue.

It -could- be debated. But I'll still be at a loss as to how you can compare one version of a thing that does not officially exist in the game yet with another version that does not officially exist yet and use terms for those comparisons that only have meaning within the context of the game.

Nerfing implies a Status Quo has been changed. There is no Status Quo here yet to be changed.

Yes I was actually vaguely aware that people have been "complaining" about this for years in the Kheld forum and elsewhere. I just wanted to see something new here. So what can we say about that then? If people have be making the case for this for years and nothing has been directly done about it how likely do you think it'll be to get changed at this point, especially considering that other ATs like Tanks and Defs have been addressed but Khelds specifically weren't?

Like I said before I'm not against this idea (and never have been) but I'm certainly not going to be holding my breath for it either.

I think the problem here is that the "objective standards" you're talking about are usually just as expression of players' SUBJECTIVE disappointment that their favorite toy was reduced in effectiveness. The only "objective standards" the Devs have to care about are their own, not what we the players -think- about it.

Regardless it still makes no sense to describe a pre-release beta test modification to a powerset as a "nerf" in any context.

I understand your reasoning and I certainly would not be against such an improvement sometime in the future. I guess I just don't see it as something that must be fixed as ASAP or "just because" the others were changed. Having an AT that works differently than all the others is not necessarily a "bad" thing.

Perhaps if you or someone else suggested a very well thought out idea for what you'd change the Khleds' inherent to then the Devs might be more likely to "buy into" the idea that it's something that actually needs to be addressed.

The basic definition of the word "nerf" in a MMO context is "anything that worked one way for a while then got changed by the Devs to make that thing be less overpowered or unbalanced than it originally was". But I think a key implied part of that word is that it has to be something that was in the LIVE game that got changed. You can't nerf something that technically doesn't exist in the live game yet. It's like demoting a future solider who's not actually in the Army yet - it makes no sense.

I'd agree that Street Justice got changed between now and last month. But that change was PRIOR to its official release. The Devs might yet change it a hundred different other ways before it's released and none of those changes could really be called nerfs or boosts either. Those words really only have meaning to us once the feature in question is live and its baseline is established.

I've never really seen my Kheldian's team-oriented inherent as a "bad" thing that needed to be fixed. Some of my characters solo better than others - some of them work better on teams than others. I'll pick the character I play with based on the situation. I don't need them (nor would they ever) work equally well in all cases.

That being said I solo with my Peacebringer quite offten. No big deal. *shrugs*

Apparently "pre-nerfing unreleased content" is the MMO version of a time paradox.

Sadly as much as we'd all like to see continued improvements in all facets of this game there's only ever going to be so much that can be done. I think the reality people need to come to grips with is that for all the cool things the Devs have done there's nothing changing the fact that the fundamental architecture of this game was established roughly 10 years ago now.

There comes a point in software application maintenance and development where the only way to get significant improvements would be to basically start over from scratch with, in this case, a new game. You can't really keep "updating" a system forever because no matter how good the patches have been the system eventually suffers from the "house of cards" syndrome and can't take any more. Companies like Microsoft solve this problem by re-creating its Windows OS every few years to take advantage of new technologies - I doubt Paragon Studios would ever have the luxury of re-creating the core of this game like that every few years.

I hope this game still has a few more good years left to it at least. But let's try to be realistic about just how much more improvement can be expected here.