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IIRC they said the 2X "weekend" would actually go from Thursday to Sunday.
Makes sense with the typical Thursday server maintenance at any rate.
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Quote:I've got a wild guess about the "evil baby" plotline now that we know about the mediums (like Lafayette and Marnie) who can channel the spirits of the dead. It seems pretty likely that the Creole(?) girl we've seen hanging around is actually a ghost who's using the baby because the baby is a medium. In fact since we know the baby is Renay's maybe that'll retroactively explain him too. Wouldn't it be weird to think Renay wasn't a serial killer because he wanted to be but because he was possessed by a ghost who used him to commit the murders. For all we know we'll find out the Creole girl ghost is the actual serial killer from season one.Like others I was quickly getting annoyed with the Arlene's baby subplot, until the (Spoiler, but if you're on the thread you already know it) "baby not yours" was written on the wall and the Haitian (at least I think so, she was singing in what sounded like french, but it is Louisiana so who knows) spirit started appearing, now I'm fascinated with it.

Well in the books we know Jason actually became a Were-Panther by being bit by the Hotshot Weres so we'll have to see if that actually happens in the TV show (despite what they've said about it). Given the way Alcide and Debbie were handled in the books I'd say how any of this gets handled in the TV show is up in the air at this point.Quote:For me the Jason-as-a-werepanther-subplot kindof feels tacked on, especially now that were at the 7th episode it seems like a bother and kind of an excuse to keep Alcide and Debbie on the show (probably for contractual reasons) UNLESS this is all building up to a big out of nowhere dramafest at the end of S4 and/or Majorish plot of S5. -
Quote:That's fine, and actually pretty close to what I was suggesting a couple of days ago about any ears she has being part of the tech she uses. Assuming she wears those goggles up like a headband for longer than like 2 seconds so that the audience has a decent chance to "get the reference" that's all that's really needed.According to this report, the projections on top of Anne's goggles are shaped as cat ears, so that they appear so when she lifts them up and wears them as a head band.
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Quote:Well when you toss out the precondition that "such-n-such would be very unlikely in real life" then yes, almost anything within the context of a movie can be taken as plausible.It's not a gaping plot hole, its a weak plot point. I believe that there's plenty of information already provided within this thread that supports Kirk's promotion as plausable, in real world analagy, highly unlikely yes. BUT, it's a movie, a story, and given the context provided within the story, and not taking "but in the real world this wouldn't happen" into that context, Kirk's promotion is plausable.
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Quote:And I'll point out that this fellow at least had FOUR YEARS to show that he had the ability to warrant the brevet promotions involved. According to the wiki it implied he received the brevet promotion to Brigadier General almost under the assumption that he was about to die from battlefield wounds. That promotion didn't become official until after they realized he was going to live.Just another example of the speed that promotions can sometimes occur in wartime.
In 1861 Galusha Pennypacker enlisted in the Army as a quartermaster sergeant at the age of 16, and by the age of 20 (March 1865) he was promoted to Major General.
As I said before finding a FEW cases (I concede the point that there's more than just one example out there) of quick promotions doesn't justify Kirk's case - it again only proves that it is highly, highly unusual and even when it does happen there's at least some kind of established track record to legitimize it. Kirk playing cowboy for a week doesn't merit him a captain's chair any way you slice it unless it's a plot mechanic for a movie
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Quote:This is why it takes very skilled writers to come up with time travel stories that don't implode the instant you look at them sideways. Sadly this Star Trek movie didn't really get the attention it needed in that regard and probably would've been better off with a story that didn't involve time travel at all.In addition to that gaping plot hole, did anyone else find it weird that the Romulans that got pushed back in time were so mad at the Vulcans? I mean, the Vulcans were coming to save them. They might have been a bit late, but they were still trying. It's not their fault that the star went supernova.
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Quote:Not sure exactly - maybe the forum database burped or something. That, or I subconsciously used the same Jedi mind trick that made everyone think Kirk was ready to take command of the Enterprise.What sort of editing trickery did you employ to make your post appear after my response to it?
I mean, I appreciate that you made me seem like The Amazing Kreskin, but that's just weird.
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Quote:Yeah I tend to think they've painted Tara into a corner as far as what they can do with her character-wise. Even if she survives the showdown with the witches she's going to be left at odds against any vampires left standing at the end. They seem to be setting her up for some kind of suicidal "I'm going out and I'm going to take as many of you with me as I can" conclusion. I guess we'll see.Tara is turning into the Claire of the show (re: Claire from Heroes) in that they don't really know what they want to do with her. I really enjoyed the firey, mouthy Tara of Season 1. Now I can't wait for something really bad to happen to her. Giving her the lesbian cagefighter subplot this season (much like Claire from season 4 of Heroes) really feels more like a Hail Mary pass than an interesting twist to the character.
Pam was easily one of the most entertaining characters from the books. I'm glad they translated her well into the TV show. I'm hoping she gets fixed up by the end of the season because if they kill her off I'd be really bummed out.
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Quote:Yes but in most (if not all) of those cases I'm sure you will find that the person in question already had at least -some- experience doing what they were good at and or were much older and more experienced than a young 20-something who only (apparently) had a few days in the captain's chair.There's actually quite a few of them, and they all share a few things in common situationally. They all tend to occur during wartime or similar circumstances, they all involve cases where there is a huge shortage of veteran combat officers but there's lots of people to command, they tend to occur under conditions of sponsorship, and they tend to reflect some unusual situation regarding the individual. Kirk falls into all of those categories.Quote:And while I'm sure anyone can find the one case in history where a real person was promoted from one end of a rank scale to another that's simply the exception that proves the rule.
It would actually be interesting if there was some hint of conflict between Kirk and superior rank officers; if Kirk was, say, Captain of Enterprise but only a commander in permanent rank or something. Supposedly, Richard Winters (Dick Winters of Band of Brothers fame) was promoted so fast (he went from a Lt at the time of the Normandy landing to Captain in a month, and holding the XO position intended for a Major in three months) one problem he faced was being junior in rank to all of his "peers" and having to fight to get things done.
Again I am well aware of the concept of "battlefield promotions" throughout history but you are going to be very hard pressed to find an equivalent of a naval cadet being promoted to the captaincy of a flagship (Abrams' term, not mine) within maybe a week. Even your historical examples can't match that speed: Natanael Green started his "military career" at the relative mature age of 33 organizing militias for around a full year before Washington promoted him to Brigadier General. It was arguable that he already had the long experience needed before that to justify the formality of the "quick" promotion. And it actually took Richard Winters a year and a half to go from LT to Captain, and almost a year after that to actually be promoted to Major despite his responsibilities. This promotion rate was not unheard of during WWII by any reckoning.
I already sort of met you half way on this by suggesting that Kirk may have actually only been promoted to the rank of LtCmdr or Cmd despite being made "captain" of the Enterprise. Of course technicalities like that easily got lost in the shuffle Abrams created to make an epic movie look good on the movie screen. One more time I'm not saying what Abrams did on screen was necessarily bad or wrong. I'm just pointing out, rather tongue-in-cheek, the near impossibility of Kirk's captaincy were this anywhere near resembling a real life situation. If anything I'm highlighting just how uber-awesome Kirk is because he not only saved the Earth but he got a ship under fantastically improbable circumstances.
P.S. And while Washington and Franklin may have at one point been able to get "the continental Congress to install a pet poodle as Postmaster General" I'm still absolutely convinced they'd never be fool-hardy enough to let a raw cadet have one of their best ships in a week. I'm sure they would have made even the god-like Kirk wait at least an extra week or two for the paperwork to go through.
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Quote:His story made for a good movie too. Now we come full circle.Heck, this dude bluffed his way into convincing people he was a veteran pilot at the age of sixteen. Supposedly he did such a good job of it that when the FBI actually caught him at one point he managed to talk his way out of it by getting a number of airline pilots to vouch for him as being an experienced pilot. This at a time when the average age of a commercial heavy aircraft pilot was over twice his age.
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Quote:Again as I implied this topic of Kirk's captaincy in Abrams' movie is really just the tip of the iceberg about a whole slew of things related to how Starfleet has been portrayed handling things over the years.You should also be questioning how a Captain manages to be permanently in charge of a flagship. Both Kirk and Picard hold the permanent rank of Captain, which is not a flag rank. Kirk manages to kick a Commodore off the bridge of the flagship of the Federation, which is a mere Captain ejecting an actual flag officer from the bridge of a flagship.
Also, see: Natanael Green, promoted from private to brigadier general during the revolutionary war. That's like promoting a cadet to rear admiral in one jump. Yeah, that turned out just awful.
And while I'm sure anyone can find the one case in history where a real person was promoted from one end of a rank scale to another that's simply the exception that proves the rule.
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Quote:You're watching Star Trek, which is even more preposterous than Star Wars, and *this* is what you complain about?
Lens flares are about 17 slots higher on the bitchlist for me.Quote:I don't think "flagship" means what the '09 movie's writers think it means anyway. I mean, there's plainly no admiral aboard.Quote:Really, this particular version of Trek had way bigger problems.
In any case I was told (not being over familiar with Abrams) that this is par for the course for him -- having protagonists who are impossibly too young and inexperienced for the positions they're given. I do recall (from the trailers) the guy in Cloverfield getting headhunted by a Japanese company to be flown out to Japan to work as their VP of Marketing right out of college...yeah, right.Trust me when I say I could actually nitpick about a whole avalanche of topics concerning this movie. This is hardly my #1st, #2nd or even #54th most pressing annoyance - it just happened to be one of the main ones that came up in this thread.Quote:Yes I have.
But even for Trekkies this is a pretty minor infraction given the sheer amount of wrong happening with this movie. I mean, Abrams and Co. were more excited about the fact they snuck R2D2 into it than anything else. That says it all, right there.
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Quote:Yes I actually know that the "captain" of a ship doesn't need to be a person who actually holds the -rank- of captain. But still trying to make the case that a newly graduated cadet deserves to permanently sit in -any- captain's chair (other than maybe a subwarp shuttle) would be stretch by anyone's imagination.Well to be honest, traditionally the position of ship's captain does not have to hold the rank of Captain. The Captain of a vessel is merely the person who is put in charge of the ship. Usually the smaller the vessel the more likely you will find the ship's captain to have a lower rank, especially in times of war.
During peacetime the number of ship's reduce and there are fewer Captain's slots to be filled so the positions tend to go to the officers with higher rank.
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Quote:Never questioned the potential. Only the implausibility of putting a cadet permanently in charge of a flagship. If Starfleet is corrupt enough to give him a pass and officially give him the captain's chair after a scandalously short period of time that's their problem.I think to believe that after saving Earth, they see the potential and thusly put him in charge.

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For what it's worth I never claimed that Starfleet was ever held the same exact policy standards that exist in current modern navies. As we all know artistic license has always trumped absolute realism in Star Trek. I never really cared about this particular "captaincy" plot point very much until it was raised in this thread. I basically glossed over it in favor of trying to enjoy the movie.
I will simply summarize my position on the matter by saying that Kirk realistically speaking would probably have not been left in command of the Enterprise based solely on the events of the movie. I have no problem with his heroic "field promotion" during the events we saw. I simply have a quibble with the premise that -after- all the excitement he would be left in permanent command. He's simply too raw out of the gate no matter how cool or brilliant he is.
Sure based on his exploits he'd most certainly be fast-tracked to the captain's chair. I could see promoting him directly to LtCmdr or even Cmdr and maybe even formalizing his position as first officer on the Enterprise at least to start so that he could get some real space experience under his belt from a working mentor other than Pike. But going so far as to make a cadet fresh out of school the permanent captain of your flagship heavy cruiser? No, that's just not going to happen instantly no matter which timeline you're talking about.
Once again I realize for the simple purposes of the movie Kirk was going to end up being the "captain" regardless. I'm just pointing out that if you bother to scratch the surface for even a moment you see there's a working difference between what's "necessary for a epic summer blockbuster" and what "would happen if this were real".
It's not like Abrams isn't going to bend the rules for whatever he wants regardless.
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Well I'll blow the first chunk on 5 new costume slots. After that I'll probably mostly buy anything else that's completely new in the store because I already have every Booster Pack they've ever offered.
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Quote:Assuming your normal launcher shortcut now has the entry to start the CoH Beta then yes.So, since that can be done through command line, it confirms my suspicion that i can delete the copy of the shortcut after the install and just use the normal launcher shortcut.
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Quote:I hadn't really thought too much about Kirk's permanent promotion to the captaincy of what they were calling the "flagship of the fleet" but surely they could have found someone more appropriate to permanently take the role given the circumstances.I see quite a few people complaining about Kirk's presumably early promotion to Captain in the Abram's movie. Don't forget that in said film, most of the fleet had been destroyed, a lot of qualified captains, and their entire crews killed. Rebuilding and remanning the fleet requires some early promotions, and while Kirk's promotion was quite quick, even as battlefield promotions go, that's essentially what occured, battlefield promotion.
Also what needs to be taken into account is Pike's perspective of Kirk as captain material. They establish Kirk as a rather brilliant, capable, if brash man early in the film, and Pike quite readily promotes him to be behind spock on a crew of people that mostly just graduated from training. So don't forget that most of those crews still left are all probably inexperienced people having recently graduated, or still in training.
First of all without even looking too hard you have Spock available. Yes he technically relinquished command to Kirk during a moment of crisis with the whole "emotional attachment to Vulcan" excuse. But after the dust cleared and the emergency was over he's still a more senior officer than Kirk on paper regardless of the "battlefield promotion" situation. If they needed an officer to -permanently- command the Enterprise then Spock would have been (forgive the pun) a logical choice.
Then even with most of the fleet destroyed you'd think they'd still have a handful of older Commodores and Admirals who had been relegated to deskjobs available to be pressed back into service as line officers. Let's put it this way: which would you put in charge of your flagship - an older officer who may be ready to retire but at least had previous experience in space or a rookie hotshot cadet? I think the choice would be simple in a real Starfleet.
Clearly Abrams let Kirk have the Enterprise because that's what everyone expected to happen movie-wise. But if the whole Starfleet thing presented in this movie were a real life organization I think Kirk would have been just about the last person to get the chair at that point. Sure he may still get to be captain someday, but not -when- he did at any rate.
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Quote:In the past by the time an Issue got to open beta it usually only took 2-4 weeks before it went live so your 8-30 prediction is reasonable. It might be a bit longer since this Issue involves all the Freedom changes, but in any event I think it'll be well before October rolls around.Because the open beta will only be for a limited time and then it will be live.

I am still predicting 8/30/11/.
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Quote:Well at least when you mix Star Trek, time travel and Abrams at any rate.More examples of why time travel should be kept away from Star Trek unless it involves a young Joan Collins


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Quote:Ironically the point where Abrams rebooted the timeline would have been AFTER the timeframe of ENT. Technically speaking if Abrams remains true to what he created then he'd have to accept everything that Enterprise established.I just assumed that they rebooted Star Trek to undo the damage that Scott Bakula did with Enterprise.
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Quote:When you think about it it's a clever ploy to be opening the beta now just before the 2x weekend. With many of the "oldtimers" likely spending more time on Beta in the next few days it'll mean that the Live servers will be a little less crowded right at the time they get loaded up for the mass of people playing the 2x.I think it might be quite quiet on the live servers this evening

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Quote:You young whippersnappers and your badges that count for everyone on your team... I earned Back from the Future when you needed 1000 pillboxes -and- they did NOT count for teams. Of course I also earned it back when you could get a pair of players (one hero, one villain) to camp a single pillbox and simply click on it back a forth even while you were lying next to it dead. Darn those Devs and their silly fixes.Heck no... my Stalker was at over 400 Pillboxes when the change went live, but only like 20-some Heavies. The reason is, again, that Pillboxes count for everyone on your team, while Heavies only count for you.
