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Quote:Well thats a relief at leastOriginally Posted by darksilver_NA
No reset, 5 runs today after the patch with chars that did the morailty missions many times in the past, all recived the hero/villian merit. -
Now sees like a great time to clean up and overhaul bases and finally give us updates >_> hint hint devs...
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It basically sounds like, as someone else mentioned, that they reset everyone's alignment status so you have to spend FOUR days not two doing tips. First morality to get the 50 merits and a second morality to reinforce and get the alignment merit.
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Quote:TBH when I first saw how the system worked... I expected such a flood of IOs that prices would come crashing down... but it never happened. Prices on the easiest to get and sell IOs didn't budge. I honestly believe the process to "game the system" just was so mind numbingly boring no one could stomach doing it enough for it to have any impact on the auction house. Either that or every person who did it used the recipes for their own characters.Originally Posted by Madadh
I have no doubt some people were. But I don't think that you qualify as 'that many' all by yourself. And yes, I know you're not likely to be all by yourself, but I certainly doesn't seem epidemic like many frequent things that required intervention.
And as I said before, it isn't really stopping the trick, just making the trick take place a few levels higher. So, since you have a block of time, use an extra day on setup, and you'll be better positioned for next week. Not that I'm really intending to tell you to, per se, just pointing out an option. -
Quote:And you still can really. To be efficient about it just level multiple toons to 22... then run each of them through 5 tips... do it again the next day then run your morality and bam hit the SSA's. Should net you 3 alignment merits and 26 reward merits. Let the toons stew for a week and do the SSA's again for a 4th alignment merit and 22 more reward merits. You fill that gap of reward merits with a quick ouro arc or another ssa for 5 reward merits and spend some inf to make another alignment merit. so 5 alignment merits for every toon you prepared in the course of a week. The only real limitation is how much you can stomach doing the process over and over. No one I know who's tried it was able to stomach doing it for very long even before this nerf.Originally Posted by Lady Sunflash
I am about to have six days off of work. I was planning on spending at least two days doing this trick. ;P So yes.
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Quote:I agree with you it doesn't seem well thought out. Systems will always be gamed. Even with these changes I know people who have already found an alternative method of continuous alignment merit income. In fact they say this change actually helps them cause it forces them to lvl higher than they previously did so they have access to higher lvl IOs like the miracle unique, the performance shifter proc and the LotG global. Sure it slows down the process slightly but it's not going to stop it and the increasingly valuable recipes available at the higher level probably makes up for it. Especially if they lvl multiple toons at a time for the express purpose.Originally Posted by Madadh
I'm well aware that the system can be gamed. Of course, the system can be gamed.. All of them can be. It's not not as if it's an exploit. They intended the mission to be as hard as it is (or easy, if you prefer), and for it to offer a hero merit as a reward.
And you're still leveling to 10 or 12 every time, then running the arc twice.. Which isn't peak efficiency anyhow. Were folks really abusing this enough to warrant this? I didn't see any evidence of it. I realize that maybe they were and I was unaware, but most loopholes that cause problems are such that most everyone can't help but notice the effects game-wide.
And, if you're determined, you can just level 60 or 70 alts to 20 or 22, reaffirm 60 or 70 times, and then next week, you don't have to repeat the character creation or leveling, just run the 70+ alts that are reaffirmed over and over again if you're determined to leverage the system. In the long run, that's more efficient.. So they haven't hurt those that are dedicated leveraging the system, but have penalized those just leveling normally via the SSA at the level appropriate time.
And, in general, while they haven't ever condoned farming for rewards, thy haven't ever, that I can recall, just removed a reward to stop non-exploit farming. Timers, sure, but as I said, it's already on a timer. And they didn't do anything to stop multiple characters from claiming rewards, just said that only characters of lvl 20+ can do so..
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Quote:The easiest way is to see if the character has the alignment power or the "countdown" power that precedes the alignment power.Originally Posted by Gorgar
Is there an easy way to tell whether a character has done a morality mission, other than seeing if they've got any alignment merits, which they might have spent, or gotten from the SSA before this patch?
Running the SSA and finding out the hard way doesn't count as "easy".
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A friend of mine has a character that has different costumes as different animal "forms" he took multiple travel powers and only uses specific ones based on his current "form". So his Eagle form uses fly, his cheetah form uses super speed, etc. The character's AT/powersets is actually claws/SR. But he did a fine job creatively making a "shapeshifter" where the powers generally work with all the "forms".
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Quote:There is only a weekly cap on a per character basis.Originally Posted by Madadh
There is a weekly cap, so I'm at a loss as to figure out what you meant.
But...
What if you just kept making characters lvling them to 10 or 12... doing the ssa1.1 2 times and getting 2 alignment merits... using them to buy a recipe like say a lvl 10 botz -kb IO or lvl 15 celerity +stealth IO and sending it to your main. Then delete and do it again ad nauseum. You've just bypassed the weekly cap. I have it on good authority that you could (with the help of a lvl 50 buddy or second account with a 50) do the entire process in 90 minutes to 2 hours. Essentially generating 2 alignment merits per 2 hours give or take. With no limitations at all. Well there's one limitation... your selection of recipes is limited by your level. -
Quote:Take a step back and realize why there is no weekly cap.Originally Posted by Madadh
I think you're probably right as to the intent, but really?! Were there that many teen alt farmers out there? When you're limited to a weekly cap anyhow? Really?
Once you figure that out you'll understand why this nerf was put in place. -
Quote:Yea it really is a shame they felt the need to make everything so inconvenient now. With that said... xp can always be gained and especially at low lvls (DFB is basically an easy road to 20) you don't need much of it. I'd say that holding off and getting the alignment merit at 20 after reaffirmation is the more prudent choice and will have far more reaching affects on your character.Originally Posted by Madadh
This is true, but fairly sad. Not like there was an embarrassment of riches as far as good choices to begin with for sub-50 alts. But, the 1st SSA was pretty decent XP for the lower level alts, but now if you make the most out of the XP of it by running it early, you penalize yourself on the reward table. If you wait till you are post 20 and reaffirmed as an alignment, then you'll get less bang for your XP buck.
Really not sure why the devs felt this change needed to be made, but I don't much like it.
If you wait to do the SSA's till you reaffirm then you can get yourself some nice stuff that will last the life of your character. Like -KB IO's or a Stealth IO for sprint. If you wait till 22 you can get your character their first lotg (assuming they need it).
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Quote:It still allows you to choose the 20 merits.Originally Posted by Amethyst_Star
If it follows the pattern of other reward tables, choosing nothing is a choice. You don't get a second chance.
Does the x4 reward merit still give 20 merits? I know it is not what you where hoping for, but it is also not completely useless.
That said you'd be better served by simply waiting till lvl 20 and have reaffirmed your alignment before you ever touch an SSA. Otherwise you'll "waste" your first time reward on something much less valuable. -
Quote:That's not true. Let's say you turn off xp and simply run ouro arcs for merit rewards. A player can simply convert merit rewards + influence into alignment merits without ever running a tip mission or morality mission.Originally Posted by Flower
If you have not reaffirmed your alignment at least once you can not earn alignment merits so they now take away that ability from the SSA as well. Once you have reaffirmed your hero or villain alignment once you can earn them through the SSA or tips as you choose.
I honestly believe this change has nothing to do with the alignment system per se and everything to do with stopping players from using low level alts for quick alignment merit/recipe gains. -
With the recent "breakage" of the SSA rewards making it impossible for anyone below lvl 20 (and who hasn't invested 2 days of tip missions) to get alignment merits from the SSA's, what happens if you "choose nothing" as your first time reward? I have a character that I finished the arc in and have the reward window open but havent picked anything since I was anticipating an alignment merit. If I choose nothing will I be able to get the "first time" reward if I run it again after ive reinforced her alignment or does choosing nothing just waste the chance for reward?
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Quote:That isn't really the point though.Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
Not that I'm happy about it but 22 merits in 10 minutes is still pretty sexy.
If you are going to award alignment merits then you should simply require the character to be of the appropriate alignment and have access to the alignment system.
I have a feeling the reason for this change has less to do with having access to the alignment system and more to do with slowing down our acquisition of alignment merits via the SSA. -
Not for nothing but this seems to break the SSA system for anyone who isn't level 20+ and hasn't done any tip missions yet.
I'm sorry but the proper fix should have been to simply flag choosing the alignment merit reward as requiring access to the alignment system.
Making us have to jump through these unnecessary hoops is very detracting from enjoying the content and the rewards they bring.
Basically there is no reason to do SSA content until after lvl 20 and after you've done 2 days of alignment missions, even though you can start it as early as lvl 10 since you'll be arbitrarily locked out of one of the more valuable rewards from doing it. -
I'd just like to add my voice to the confused pile =\
My billing date is the 30th of each month. September 30th saw no gains of anything and I chalked that up to what they said about September's stuff being awarded early. I got a transfer token somewhere at the beginning of October. Then a few days ago I got my VIP stipend. I am hoping that by October 30th i'll see a reward token.
But seriously everything really should happen on the same day. And personally I believe that day should be the day they charge for your sub. They way it works right now is migraine inducing. -
Quote:NopeOriginally Posted by Resolve
Stupid Question Time:
Does Burnout recharge incarnate powers?
Read the description. It only recharges PRIMARY and SECONDARY powers. Not incarnate powers, not pool powers, not temp powers, not vet powers, not PPP powers, not APP powers. -
Another thing to consider is that... damage over time might work out mathematically with spiritual and muscular but spiritual's impact far exceeds musculature when you look at it like this.
If your Judgement attack wipes out a single spawn with 1 hit without musculature... then musculature does all of nothing to really help your performance in that regard.
Spiritual on the other hand would let you wipe out more spawns with your Judgement attack because of the faster recharge. In this case recharge far exceeds more damage. -
Quote:You're right and I apologize... It's just frustrating to me that people are actually against fixing such a glaring oversight in the set bonuses for this AT. I have no illusions that every set bonus has to be awesome but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a set of IO's designed for a specific AT shouldn't have a set bonus that 3 of the primary sets get absolutely nothing from. I'm not talking negligible benefit I am talking "you have no powers that can be enhanced by this bonus nor does the bonus provide any passive benefit however small in any way shape or form."Originally Posted by Garent
I think you're getting a little upset over the fact that I responded to another poster and not you. I'm not trying to derail your thread or anything. I'm just correcting incorrect information.
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Quote:As a subscriber you can get those fancy IO's without ever spending an extra penny beyond your sub. That said... you will obviously have to decide WHAT to spend your points on if you don't ever plan to spend extra. I think alot of people have a problem with wanting more than the monthly stipend can accommodateOriginally Posted by Carnifax_NA
I don't mind the new model, assuming that there is no advantage between those who play the game to earn things and those who can afford to buy the equivalents.
However I do have a problem with it when those who can pay get better things than those who are active ingame doing things.
These new IOs, along with the forthcoming Attuned IOs which level up with you (and of which there are apparently lots more coming) are better than what you can earn ingame, which to me smacks of ******* out the best items for finanical gain.
NCSoft can of course do what they like with their game, but they should take a lesson from Eve Online in terms of what happens when Players decide a line has been crossed and make sure they don't accidently stumble across it.
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Quote:It's not an excuse it is a valid response.Originally Posted by Giant2005
I expressed the same complaint back when these things were first revealed.
Back then the "overly optimistic" players declared it doesn't matter because those sets are free to all ViPs because we get free points each month.
It is funny how the "overly optimistic" use that same excuse for every complaint about prices. If it were true for every thread they cite that excuse, we would have to be getting a couple of thousand free points each month.
The problem people with your mindset have is that you translate what the "overly optimistic" players are saying into "you can get EVERYTHING you want when you want it for free" which is not what they are actually saying. -
I don't mind the pay part. I like having reasons to financially support a game I enjoy. Especially when those reasons improve my enjoyment of the game product. I can understand some folks not being thrilled with the new model but if you really stop to think about it... even if you personally dont ever buy these things, if others do those funds are going to turn around and improve the game you're enjoying. This is the primary reason I have no issues with the market making money in ways like this. It will sustain the game I enjoy and give the devs resources to improve it more. I secretly hope that this influx of funds will someday translate into base love >_>
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Quote:.....Originally Posted by Garent
storm and poison's heals are affected by healing set bonuses.
I think we established that healing set bonuses affect healing powers though yes the previous poster was incorrect that storm's O2 Boost and the poison heal wouldn't benefit from + healing. They certainly do since they are direct heals.
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The point some people seem to be missing is that not all Defenders HAVE ANY healing powers as part of their primary or secondary set. And an IO set specifically DESIGNED for the Defender AT should have a set bonus that ALL the primaries can benefit from not just some. It's like giving a +confuse duration set bonus to a scrapper or tanker. -
Quote:As was mentioned before +healing does not benefit rest or health. It benefits active heals like reconstruction, radiant aura, or heal other. Also rest and health are inherent powers everyone has and has nothing to do with the AT or a specific set deigned for a specific AT. And you still don't get my point. There is a difference between an insignificant benefit and one that DOES NOT FUNCTION for your AT/powerset even though the set is DESIGNED for your AT and all the powersets that are included in it. Consider this... a scrapper specific set with a 4pc bonus that adds +4% to your confuse duration. That's a reasonable comparison to what I am talking about. It doesn't make sense.Originally Posted by 3dent
But you do have powers that benefit from it. Rest and Health.
And the benefit is about as (in)significant as a few percent of immob resist is for a scrapper. (For one, not every type of armour even can be detoggled of mez shield. The only way clicky shields go down is if player didn't click on them and/or if you faceplant. For two, they are usually too low to matter anyway. Immob lasting, say, 30 seconds, won't be much worse than an immob lasting 29 seconds, which is about all a HUGE 3.3% mez resist bonus gives you. )
EDIT: That said, I'm against the whole AT-specifi sets idea, and especially if they will go live with these set bonuses and procs. Some are obviously underpowered, some are too good to be true, and since they'd be store-bought you can't nerf them without opening a HUGE can of worms...