Kioshi

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BS sounds cool. If we get to keep Head Splitter. Always knowing I get a crit shot from hide would make me smile. It'll probably be one of the powers that gets replaced, though.

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No, katana/ninja blade retained all the powers minus the PbAoE (Lotus Drops). So Whirling Sword will probably be removed, not Headsplitter.

All the Stalker primaries have the scrapper and Brutes tier 9s (M. Grasp, Energy Transfer, Eagle's Claw, Throw Spines, Shockwave, 1k Cuts, Golden Dragonfly, Lightining Rod...).

Sorry, can't answer now, I'm still laughing at you complaining you get too much aggro in PvE due to AAO.

ENERGY MELEE IS FINE

*hugs his Em/Nin Stalker*

Cry moar please.
Shields is fine, it provides defense, +HP, decent resistances, a great AoE attack and a damage enhancing aura.
If you want a one-trick pony go roll a /SR (not that SR is bad, I love it).
And btw all defensive sets suck in PvP at the moment. And some resistance sets too like dark armor and electric which will soon be on scrappers.

Edit: LOL at a scrapper complaining about generating aggro in PvE. My fire/invul generates the same kind of aggro, champ. And I don't complain.

kthxbye.

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Claws/SR
on Freedom

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same here.

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I'll respond after ET is done animating...

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Cmon it's only .4 seconds slower than KO Blow. And does 190 base dmg @ 50 vs 148 from KO blow (Brute numbers). Also it recharges faster and costs almost half the endurance.

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Freedom

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There is your problem

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lolwut

SR scrappers are everywhere in Freedom. Since my return (one week) I've seen more of them than Shielders. In this week I've seen regen more than anything else but lots of SRs too.

Wow is MA that bad at ST dmg to compare it to Elec Melee? I mean, on a Brute, at 70%ish fury, I was draining bosses before I killed them beause it took so long (and I was not electric armor so the drain was exclusively from my punches).

Yeah, you can delay Stamina till your 30s before you pick tough and weave. Btw stick one extra acc in Fault because it has lower than base accuracy, and slot it for stun if you can. I'd do something in this order (sorry too tired to put slots, Kruunch's boss farm made me exhausted lol) :

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Level 48 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Willpower
Secondary Power Set: Stone Melee
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting

Hero Profile:
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Stone Fist -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Fast Healing -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Stone Mallet -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Indomitable Will -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Rise to the Challenge -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Heavy Mallet -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Quick Recovery -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Hasten -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Super Speed -- Empty(A)
Level 18: Taunt -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Mind Over Body -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Heightened Senses -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Fault -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 28: Health -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Stamina -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Strength of Will -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Tremor -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Seismic Smash -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Tough -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Weave -- Empty(A)
Level 49: Build Up -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Recharge, recharge, recharge. Defense is useless against the nemesis because of their Vengeance. Regen is meh too since you'll have healing flames up often with a lot of recharge.

Power pools: Fitness, Leaping, Speed (for Hasten) and Fighting (for Tough).

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I've got a pretty large bias against the tanker AT in general because they spend more time seeking (pointless) personal glory instead of working with a team.

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Gee, I guess you've run into some sucky tanks. The ones I play with put the team ahead of themselves and their egos.

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Yup, I play mostly on Freedumb and most Tankers I've met weren't primadonnas. The 'wait for me, herding to here' mentality is fading away imo.

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So it looks like only the energy damage is AE - the smashing damage is only to the primary targets. The blaster/dominator attacks probably behave the same way the difference being that they do more smashing than energy - and a quick check of RedTomax shows that a L50 blaster thunderstrike does 142 smashing and only 23 energy, which explains why the AE is so small. The stalker version shows the same split as the brute - 55 smashing/53 energy.

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Oh [censored].

My elec/stoner is 50 but I've been too busy tanking to pay attention to combat logs since I was on steamrolling 8-men teams (elec is not good for soloing). If only half the AoE is applied the power is suckier than FSC indeed. By the way, except for the first target which would receive full damage (81.7 unenhanced at 50), the rest would only get 40.04 nrg damage, making this power not much better than Whirling Hands (except it does KD to the mobs).

That makes elec melee even worse in AoE than I thought before. Maybe it's only worth it for Stalkers and crazy recharge builds which can L. Rod each 15 seconds.

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Plus in Mid's, even with the DoT, T-Strike shows more damage than FSC (I compared Brutes since they're the only ones with the sets).

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I'm not sure if Mid's shows it, but only your targeted opponent receives the full damage from Thunderstrike. The AoE, which hits other enemies near your target, only does a portion of the damage.

Hope this helps.

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No, it does full damage to all targets. You're confusing it with Blaster and Dominator T-Strike. Brute and Stalker T-Strike is a 'true' AoE, and is weaker at ST damage than the Blaster version.

Yeah if my Stone/ElA Brute can tank, an ElA/Stone Tanker will be very survivable especially with Tanker numbers.

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... really, a RO network member is asking how you kill +4's without a tank?! If the 54's are eating your SO invuln, just get a defense buff to get you to 45%.

For team creation, it's a pug, you get what is available and what fits the need. I aim first for 4 -res debuffs if I can find them, and that gives me a lot of options. I like to have a kin. I don't look for emps much - though usually there's spare emps and kins floating around. I try to get at least 2 dedicated damage dealers, preferably of the AOE kind, and I prefer scrappers, but a mix is fine. I can dip into the extremely low levels for buffer/debuffers at times.

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Ah, 4 -res debuffs, nice. And yeah shame on me for asking being on the RO network, I was away from the game for 4-6 months and only played for 5 days or so since I returned. Now the memories of the all-squishie ITFs on invincible I used to do with RO returned after you wrote that I just haven't been playing high-level toons lately and been focusing on lowbie melee toons, ya know, a change to try to stop me from being burned out

Anyhow I asked because this is a new level of challenge to me, I just did those 54 boss farms thrice or so and came back to the 52 lvl. But I never had too many debuffers to test it, all you see on AE freedom are kins and emps with the occasional rad.

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Kioshi, make a defender and join us on Justice.

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Sure I'll send you a tell if I go play in Justice, thanks

I'm curious as well. Do you assemble teams 'like the pug STFs' (we need this and that and that)?

Because on Kruunch's mission any 30+ team can quickly dispatch the bosses as long as there's a Tanker or two (when my 28 Tanker went over the aggro cap on his mission the squishies started dying, so we called another Tanker and it was ok).

Although Kruunch has a point (if you have a lot of recharge+hasten+lightning reflexes you can make CP perma, or close to it, allowing you to skip fitness altogether), for ElA toons Power Sink is enough. As I said, my super end hog Stone/Ela Brute is fine with 1 recharge on P. Sink for now, and I used to run out of end even with speed boost on some extreme situations before PS.

So I hope they change CP for Tankers AND Stalkers and Brutes (both in ELA and EA) for something more useful and add CP to some Patron Brute pool. Some Brutes (w/ other powersets) would kill for Conserve Power as a Patron Power.

Damn what about my Energy Melee AS? I hate it

QR

You already know the answer, it will be basically the same as your dark melee toon.

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Coldmed, are you clueless? The 1st choice for brutes and scrappers is between scorch and fire sword, not cremate. Cremate is a level 2 pick, when you Tankers get Combustion, which many scrappers and Brutes would trade for Cremate as it was said several times.

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scorch is minor damage..fire sword is mod damage =tanks first 2 picks

brutes first 2 picks.. fire sword and cremate a mod and high damage power..yeah i feel for brutes :/

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So? A lot of ATs have to pick undesirable powers (Gale for example for trollers, corrs and MMs). And Scorch is in no way a weak pick, one of the highest DPS chains for Fire include Scorch, just ask in the scrapper forums.

Plus, as I said, you got Combustion instead of Cremate, it's more than a fair tradeoff. Hell if Scrappers got Combustion, fire scrappers would be great farmers.

How did you manage to get to 44 on a SD without stamina (and I assume you have tough and weave)?

Do you ever attack?

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How do you do an L54 (or even L52) boss farm with no Tankers and do it quickly? I run with an L50 (heavily IO'd) Dark/Dark Defender quite often and he pulls mobs fine but doesn't provide near the protection needed for a fast run.

*scratches head*

P.S. - While L54s will gain you more experience over the same map ... I can usually do 2 L52 maps in the time it would take the same team to do an L54. The difference is that big.

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True, I tried a 54 boss farm on my SO'ed invul tanker and she go murdered. Then I suggested your map and things ran smoothly, I was with a group of 40+ and had no problems tanking and surviving.

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Using Aid Self with EA would seem a bit problematic to me, being an all resist set ... would 30% positional be enough to use it reliably?

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We refer to Electric Armor as ElA and Electric Melee as ElM to avoid confusions with Brutes and Stalkers. EA is Energy Aura.

Yes, 30% positional + 2 interrupt redux in Aid Self will be enough to use it reliably. Or, depending on your primary, you can use it after a mitigation power. My Stone/ElA has no defense and uses Aid Self after Fault reliably.

Boomie,

I'm sure your build can farm very well, maybe you'll have to use Transference a lot because of the hotfeet slotting. My build is similar but only 32%ish s/l def, less recharge and can farm like a champ. If you wanna take a look:

EDIT: LMAO I already posted my build in this thread

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Coldmed, are you clueless? The 1st choice for brutes and scrappers is between scorch and fire sword, not cremate. Cremate is a level 2 pick, when you Tankers get Combustion, which many scrappers and Brutes would trade for Cremate as it was said several times.