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Sounds good, I take it there will be a majority of Stalkers?

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Probably not, surprisingly. What I've found is that while stalkers were having the word NERF shouted at them in PvP from day one, it's happening a lot less now and they're becoming less and less effective.

They are a one trick pony and once you know that trick, it's easy to counteract. Give me some ice doms to lay ice patch down and stop the stalker getting close or a couple of members with Tactics pool to increase perception anytime!

TBH, I expect MM's and Stalkers to be the most under represented AT's in a pure PvP VG.

Gravity Doms, Ice/Rad/Kin Corruptors seem to be the ones in CoV that make the difference. 2 or 3 ice corrutpors will make those melee fighter near useless as they stack the AoE slow toggles on them and leave them practising their 'Baywatch slow motion running' while the rest of the team annihilates them

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So you want a group of PVPers who will not be PVEing a lot but have a suitable base that you can use for running PVP raid events but not actually earn an significant prestige to pay for it.

I look forward to raiding this group when they steal an item of power just so we can ransack the place and put them out of action for months at a time

(We still on for 8th April?)

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A few dubious comments there Darklimb and I can't wait to prove them wrong once we're up and running

Anyway, had a couple of PM's about this and it seems people are interested. Also had a stroke of good fortune in that one of the CoH SG's who created a VG on CoV have offered to hand their dead VG over to me for this PvP group. A very basic base to start with but at least we have some prestige.

Anyway, fleshing the idea out a bit more, here is how I see it working. This VG will be made up of PvP alts, collected from all the CoV VG's and I will be discussing it over the 'Union Leaders' channel to get it well publicised and supported.

The reasoning behind this is that most VG's are interested in PvE only and cannot scrape enough PvP'ers together for raids to make them really effective. By having a common PvP VG for the server, we got the following advantages:

- Everyone who wants to PvP doesn't feel that they need to find a dedicated PvP VG and leave their PvE one. They just roll an alt and put it in this VG.

- We all get to start roughly from the beginning and level together, work on tactics and builds etc. We will also lvl these in VG mode with SO's being largely bankrolled by some of the lvl 40's from the PvE groups involved(even if only my VG's 40's are willing to do this, we will try to get the base up and running ASAP)

- We get the advantage of a lot of VG's to help PL our PvP alts until we get enough high levels ourselves.

- A lot of these PvP alts will be from existing lvl 40 PvE players, meaning that if we can pool a bit of inf from these and convert it, we get a bit more of a headstart

- It will make raids open to everyone of the VG's helping with this project. If you have a PvE build but want to try raids out with the support of some dedicate PvP builds and a base designed specifically for it, you move your character to the VG for the raid then just move it back after.

One thing I REALLY want to hammer home, this is not my project or a Bloodline VG project. I really want to set this up as a group effort for the server to help us get the most out of PvP and raids. I'll say now that my main is useless in PvP and I have very little experience so the more help I can get, the better. The ventual aim will be to set up a second one of these, then a third and so on, until our server has several dedicated PvP VG's giving the PvP players a common community. I also hope to eventually join these 'inter server' PvP events on the test server and show that Union can achieve anything we want due to our teamwork, community and innovation (God, just read that back and I sound like a bad preacher in the USA!)

(As for 8th April, still fine for us. Did panic a little, thinking it conflited with the Hammi raid but that's the 3rd)

Guys, I've been trying to get into the raiding mode lately and have realised my VG will NEVER be able to raid well.

- We are a PvE VG, with PvE builds and only a couple of PvP'ers.

- We have a strict no alt policy so even though some of us have PvP builds, they're in our alt VG which has a very basic base and not enough of us to raid effectively.

- The raids we have done have seen most of our VG vowing not to waste time with them again due to chan holds from controllers and being completely unable to compete with attackers that have even one or two PvP builds

The upshot of this is that I have a few VG members that want to take part in raids but not enough to make it effective, leaving me with a couple of ideas.

Join a PvP specific VG with our PvP alts.

If there is a PvP VG out there who wants to take us all in, that will be great but there are a few points to mention. Those of us that do join, will be largely inactive as these are just PvP alts. We will come along to raids etc but once we hit 40, it's unlikely we'll be PvE'ing with them as we have plenty of PvE alts in our main VG.

Try To Create A Separate PvP VG On Union

Similar to what Art of War have done on CoH, we create a VG purely for PvP purposes. This will be made up of PvP alts(or mains) and will be open to everyone on Union, regardless of if they have mains in other VG’s

Again, if there are already similar VG’s like this on Union, let me know as I think I have a couple of people who will want in.



First off, I’m judging feedback to this thread to see what response is like and if I find there are a lot of CoV’ers who are in the same situation as me, in a great VG that I don’t want to leave but would like to join a second one with an alt purely for PVP, maybe a few of us can get together and get the ball rolling.

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Fire really needs acrobatics and tough.

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There is absolutely no need for a fire tank to get Tough, though acrobatics is required.

Teh bonus from Tough is so minute now for the end it consumes that I know many who ropeed it completely after it was altered as there was no point taking an entire pools for such a dubiously beneficial power.

In real terms, the only time I'm ever a less than capable tank with D-Zol is when up against psi damage. Other than that, I can comfortably tank for 8 man teams against +3's and my aggro holding is very good.

Healing Flames covers any HP loss I may suffer from an alpha strike and BA along with taunt keeps the mobs on me. On the rare occasion mobs scatter, a nice burst of consume will top my end back up and pull them all back to me.

I'm having real trouble in this thread seeing why fire tanks seem to be seen as one of the weker breeds. From personal experience, 5 of the 7 best tanks I know are all fire tanks!

(Dinomight, Scar Tissue, Mabutu, Firewall and Whatever. The other two are Rock Eagle and J Brute)

I amdit we are slow starters compared to the others and it's very difficult to have a succesful fire tank until into the 20's but once we're there, we start steadily outperforming other's.

Also worth noting that I also class a good tank as one who can hold aggro, not one who can take the most damage.

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"a spert under pressure" as my dad used to say .

Actually dont really get it but still... Think "expert" is very subjective but was going on recent performance.

Its a pitty that people do seem to be trying to argue who the "best" pvp SG or teams are, (not aiming this at you).

As far as I see it these matches are all about having fun and learning more about teaming and what you can do. Would be a pitty if it ended up with RL competition.

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P.S. Honestly though is there a way to read their posts? My French is very poor .

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it is all about fun mate i completely agree i only started speaking cos sum1 said the only pvp group they wud recommend was AoW and dismissed every1 else and specifically "three lions" from the pvp scene all the pvp on mondays is done with great spirits and is always great fun

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Errm where did I specifically dismiss you? I think I said until I knew of another group that had regularly beaten them in recent weeks, I would consider AoW the best PvP group and mentioned I had not heard of Three Lions.

That's still the case. Three Lions are not listed in the raid directory as a team interested in PvP, I know of no other VG/SG's from the Union Leaders channel who have heard of them and I've never come across them in PvP. My quote below covers that

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Like Jumanji, I've also heard very little about the other groups mentioned so until I hear that one of these has been beating AoW in PvP regularly in recent times, they will be regarded as the experts by me

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The fact you say there are only three of you goes to confirm it really. How can you consider yourselves the best PvP'ers if you only do a maximum of 3 on 3 battles while AoW can field full raid teams and any size arena or PvP zone team?

When I've come up against AoW in large teams, it has been exactly the teamwork that has won it and organising teams of that size is a damn sight harder than a 3 man team

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Are you serious? The Fire Primary is easily the worst of the tanker primaries at the moment - weak RES, no DEF, no knockback protection and a poor self-heal.

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The fire heal is not poor at healing, it is actually a better combat heal than the others. Where the others shine is that they increase your hit points by 60% effectively magnifying all the rest of the primary by 60%, that is their value of them.

Firey Aura is weak because it only has 47% damage mitigation*, compared to about 70%-85% for Ice ( except fire which is still >50% ) and 45%-75% for Inv ( except for SL which is 75%-90% ). Stone has about 40-60% pre granite depending on damage type but has regen to back it up, it has 90-96% with granite.

So as well as being the weakest in pure damage mitigation, it does not have the 60% multiplier.

*Damage mitigation = 100-(100-debuff)/100*(100-resist)*(50-defence)/50

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well yes fiery aura is not so worse... the heal can be use every 30s for 581HP for me at lvl 40 (about every 20s with haste)
but the stamina a fiery aura tank use is incredible (at least 6 toggle for correct tanking).
my main problem is not about damage i receive, the problem is that 5 or 6 attack and i'm out of order (and if i need 2 self heal, that's worse).
Consume is really good for recovery stamina, but in looong fight, you use one time consume and that's all, you finish without stamina
the solution i'm going is to take conserve power... i don't see anything else that could chenge this "thirsty" of stamina

and there is fiery embrace that don't boost burn, and burn which is really useful with an ice secondary (ice patch) cos of the fear effect.

and no update soon for fiery tank

sorry for the bad english

PS/ fire primary is a good challenge ^^

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Well, as a fire tank, the first thing I will say is that I'd like to see the Ice tank who can out tank me! I'd also say that while my numbers may be a little lower than on their toggles, the entire build together works perfectly.

I run all the defences from the tank set and also tough. I have the self heal 6 slotted and find it a LOT more sueful than those on some of the other sets. No point having a HP bonus if it's gone after a couple of hits and you're waiting on the recharge while I'm just using my very quick recharging self heal at will.

I've also seen mention of end problems? I'm not sure how they have toggles slotted but you'll only have end problems if you've made a mistake there, other than that consume will cover any end drain even when on full offence.

And then we come to the reason I consider fire tanks to be the best tanks, rather than the weakest... Fiery Aura. Nothing holds aggro like it when slotted correctly and coupled with taunt, makes them so much more effective at aggro management than other builds.

On the route to deciding on a fire tank, I tried both Invuln and Stone. With stone, I failed to see how I could tank from the front when I couldn't even keep up with the team and with invuln, I just found the set not as diverse as fire.

Art of War are very active in PvP from what I've seen. Whenever we ask for PvP raids etc, they always seem to be the ones who are first to reply.

They also have a core of PvP players who have been honing tactics and builds in the arena for a very long while. This means they work well together and also know what works and what doesn't. From what I've seen of them, the majority of their builds are geared purely to PvP, rather than PvE.

Not really too sure why you think they otherwise as on the occasions we've faced them, it's really been the teamwork that tore us apart. They quickly identified the major threats in our team and nullified them immediately. As soon as this was done, they then systematicaly divided and conquered our weaker members. At the same time, any of the threats that had been identifed were kept in place by teamwork, with players breaking off in an orderly fashion to keep them in place.

Like Jumanji, I've also heard very little about the other groups mentioned so until I hear that one of these has been beating AoW in PvP regularly in recent times, they will be regarded as the experts by me. Regular wins eliminate the fact it could be a 'fluke' result and recent means there's no point beating them 6 weeks ago when AoW haven't lost since and have learned a lot more.

The only other PvP group i've really heard mentioned as being very good but not in the same league as AoW, I was actually surprised to hear that they 'won't fight AoW because we can't beat them'.

Personally, my attitude is that we learnt a lot from the AoW whooping and have already identified some changes and tactics to work on. Give us another couple of weeks and we'll be ready to face them again. While I know we won't beat them, we'll put in a better showing than last time and be able to learn a bit more from them.

OK, this has been bought forward to 17.00

Short notice but I'll be running this respec. Will be stealthing as much as possible and using the log off cheat so will take an hour. Send a tell to @Kinslayer

'Best SG'?

Lol, this is gonna descend into a flame war

First off, I think my SG, New Blood Rebellion is pretty good

On the whole though, I really rate LLOD as an SG, they are great fun, know their stuff and really do make an effort to be a group, rather than a collection of people. The 1AT SG's will always feature and, again, they're a great group. Having been on CoH for a year, I've seen a lot of SG's come and go so to have LLOD and NBR both at a year old and still as active as they are really is the mark of a great group.

CoV wise, I don't want to be blowing our own trumpet but Bloodline really are a great VG. We have to trim inactives on a weekly basis at the moment as we're so full, and have NO alts in the main VG. There are TF's running on an almost daily basis, anyone needing a respec gets a full VG team for it within a couple of days of asking for it and 8 man VG teams are nearly always running and even though we have a lot of lvl 40's, they all still play aas well as being one of the top 10 VG's in terms of prestige earned on Union.

Other than EVIL, I've really not come across too many other active CoV VG's that don't seem to fizzle out after a while or have a lot of people who don't play the alts in there on a weekly basis. I really do think there are too many VG's on CoV for the number of active players there.

On a side note, if you are an active VG on Union who has been running for a while, PM me as we're always looking for active coalition VG's.

Well, my main is a lvl 40 fire/therm and I have gone all the way down the secondary route, rather than the primary. It can be a bit of a pain as soling is very difficult and i've gone for a very specific build.

Defence wise, if you're in support, you shouldn't be getting too much aggro and should be picking your shots. Your main defence will be your heal aura but too many mobs on you will see you face plant.

Pool wise, I went with three slotted hasten and stamina(don't slot health, waste of time with your heal). As well as those, I took SS and stealth to allow me to ghost missions and for the defence bonus of stealth. Taking stealth on it's own is OK but the movement slowdown on it is a real pian without SS. Recall friend is also recomended if you're going to be rezzing so that leaves your pools looking like Fitness/Speed/Teleportation/Concealment.

One point to make is this leaves you with no mez resistance so dropping TP may be an option for Combat Jump and Acrobatics.

For the build itself, the only attack powers I have are fire blast?(the level one power that isn't flares), the snipe one and the short range attack, blaze? (not the cone). Apologies for the lack of names, can never remember them. Also taken aim and nova. I basically open with aim/snipe, run in with fire blast queued then hit that followed by the short range one. This is enough to put most people down but I auto queue heal as any hit's should land about then. The good thing with this is that by the time snipe actuall executes, the delay on travel powers has already expired so you can SS in with the other two before they know what's happening.

Secondary wise, I've taken the controversial decision to ignore thaw. I did tke it but just was not using it enough to be worth it. By the time someone said 'zzz', I targeted them and executed the power, most of the time it had worn off or their(and the teams) health had dropped so much that I wished I'd just spammed the heal aura. The shields are great, though all the bubbling can be a pain. there is also a single target buff and debuff which are good, especially the buff. The debuff is OK but nothing to get too excited about due to it being single target. I tend to slap this on the brute taking point whenver I have a spare 'click' coming up but it's not a priority. Then we come to the king of the set, Melt Armour. Last power you'll get but slot it ASAP. It has a fairly quick recharge if 3 slotted with reductions, meaning you can open up every other mob battle with it.

If you have a big mob and a couple of blues, let someone take aggro, hit aim then run in and Melt Armour before Nova. As soon as nova goes off, pop a blue and spam heal until any stragglers are mopped up by the team(not that there will be many, especially if you pop some red/yellows before running in).

Only real weakness in the set is the lack of an end buff. The lack of mez resistance can be annoying sometimes and I keep toying with dropping TP for CJ and acrobatics but the ability to stealth missions and TP the team along is too good. It's not great for solo but the SS/Stealth means I can do it with the difficulty up maybe one or two notches. That said, other than getting used to the timing of Nova, it's been relatively debt free but I'm strictly a support build with little punching power of my own. On the other hand, Alien Entity is the same as me and also a 40 but has gone all primary and it's scary how well we complement each other yet play so differently for the same primary/secondary choice.

If you're on Union server, send a tell to @Kinslayer and i'll LK you along for a few missions with my VG so you can see how it works.

I'm working on a PvP build of this and don't really know too much so could do with some advice. Only got him up to lvl 11 so far but just not sure who to slot his main powers.

I've noticed ice seems quite end heavy and the recharge on it is looonnnggg. I'll be putting 3 slotted hasten and stamina in with my other pool powers being Combat Jump, Acrobatics and TP foe(plus some required powers to get those).

Primaries
OK, 2 ACC is a must for PvP as far as I've been told so that leaves 4 slots. Obviously I want damage output as high as possible so that takes another 3. Should I be slotting recharge reduction or end reduction in the final slot?

Secondaries
I'm guessing that this is all about the slow effect so, like the primaries, it'll be 2 ACC and 3 Slow. One slot leaves me with the same old recharge reduction over end reduction question.

While this build is mainly for raids and hopefully for teams, I'd like to be able to PvP solo in one on ones with it. Any tips gladly accepted(not taking the shields from the set as they're for other people but is there any point in taking my Nova at 32?)

Cheers guys.

Do you guys have space for a coalition SG and who do I pester for one?

The New Blood Rebellion are already in coalition with Armoured Core, Precision Rangers, SNHS and Union Overlords and have been for ages but we never seem to have got round to Team GBH and Cosmic Justice.

Anyway, I'm in game most nights as one of my many alts if you wanna sort it out (D-Zol and Kinslayer are the main ones but I'm playing Kal'tk quite a bit lately).

My global is @Kinslayer but if you ask any of the 1AT SG's we are in coalition with to holler over coalition chat if I'm not around, one of the SG capable of setting it up should be reached.

Do you guys have space for a coalition SG and who do I pester for one?

The New Blood Rebellion are already in coalition with Armoured Core, Precision Rangers, SNHS and Union Overlords and have been for ages but we never seem to have got round to Team GBH and Cosmic Justice.

Anyway, I'm in game most nights as one of my many alts if you wanna sort it out (D-Zol and Kinslayer are the main ones but I'm playing Kal'tk quite a bit lately).

My global is @Kinslayer but if you ask any of the 1AT SG's we are in coalition with to holler over coalition chat if I'm not around, one of the SG capable of setting it up should be reached.

Well, if you're looking for a dedicated PvP SG, then Art of War is the one for you.

The only SG i've come up against that actually made us sit back and realise we may as well have not shown up for the raid. They all have dedicated builds designed specifically for PvP.

The downside of this seems to be that not many people really want to face them as the one sided battles take the fun out of PvP and unless you have a full team of PvP builds, you don't really have much of a chance.

Hopefully, there will be some more PvP SG's out there soon but beyond them, I can't think of any.

I guess what you need to ask is if you're looking for the uber PvP group or just one that PvP's regularly?

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I would advertise the New Blood Rebellion but lots of the regulars are over in Villains at the mo. Last Line of Defence (who we share a coalition with) are pretty active and a great bunch of peeps.

Having said that, you are absolutely welcome to join NBR, we are in a coalition with most of the 1AT SGs and the aformentioned LLOD and new players are always welcome.

If you are interested send Voltan, Dagar, D-Zol a tell and we can sort you out.

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What he said

NBR is a little quiet lately, though we do now seem to have a group of mid 40's making the run to 50. The SG is mainly full of lvl 50's waiting for some new content and whenever we invite new poeple, they seem to play for a few does then go inactive!

That said, we are VERY active on our VG and are in coaliton with them. We are also in coalition with LLOD who are all alt maniacs so they'll probably have active players at most levels.

We are also in coaliton with most of the 1 AT SG's (I really need to look at sorting coalitions out with the others. Any of the Scrapper, Kheldian leaders about?).

8 man teams between LLOD and NBR are pretty much a given every night of the week, with two full teams running quite often.

Basically, if you log on and no one your level is about, you just holler and someone will alt/sk/exemp with you at the very least as a lot of the LLOD/NBR guys make it a rule to no let anyone solo.

TF's are also happening at least once a week, though there are usually some being run most night on one of the two games.

If you like the sound, send me a tell @Kinslayer

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It took me 666 hours to get Yoshi to lvl 50

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Arr, he be the devil himself. Burn him!

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Total Time for 50s: 3389 hours


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ZOMG! That's a total of 141.2 days!!! And thats not includiny alts and such forth! Thats over a 3rd of a year, playing this game non-stop!!!

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erm yea

I started back in March last year.. and have been playing nonestop.. soo, not including the Alting, yea.. been a long time... :P

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I love CoH and do spend a lot of time on there but surely this is not normal!

1/3 of your last year spent entirely on a single game is kind of worrying, especially when you consider most people spend around 1/3 of a year sleeping and another 1/3 working.

Personally, I'm not convinced the PvP zones have been well designed at all in CoV/CoH, considering it took them a year to arrive.

I've had some very bad experiences in PvP, one incident that springs to mind is when I was badge hunting one of the zones. I slapped on /hide and put my stealth/SS on to try and get in and out as quick as possible, as well as trying to pick a time I hoped it would be relatively quiet.

Got 2 of the badges and was on the way to the third when the inevitable happened. AS and face plant. Taking it in good grace, I said over broadcast, 'Guys, i'm just here to get a badge quickly and would appreciate not being attacked'

A couple of people replied, saying no problem etc but the Stalker who AS'd me and the Corruptor with him made no comment. I waited for them to diappear and used an awaken... BAM, they came back and hit me again. I sent tells directly to them asking if they could leave me alone and got a rude reply. I then mentioned there was no point attacking me anymore as they wouldn't get rep for it.

Off to hospital and back to the badge, BAM, despite the fact they could get no more rep from me, they camped the badge and killed me 5 more times. Luckily, I was swearing like a trooper over VG chat and 4 of the PvP experts from my VG turned up and we proceeded maul the two morons from piullar to post and managed to get into the hospital and chain faceplant them as they rezzed.

Cue the onslaught of swearing and obscenitiy's from them over broadcast while everyone else in the zone laughed on at them getting a taste of their own medicine after they all saw what they were doing to me. they annoyed me enough by doing what they did in the first place but the fact they didn't like it when it was done to them says it all.

On the opposite side of the coin, had a similar situation the other day when me and a couple of VG mates were hunting mechs for the badge. We'd used /hide and went in while the zone was quiet and were hutning away when I got hit by the inevitable AS. Asked over broadcast to be left alone and everyone in the zone replied, including the guy who AS'd me, agreeing to it, telling me the best spots for mechs and generally being pretty friendly, even to the point of one stalker who accidentally AS'd me, offering to drop his toggles and let me kill him.

I think the simplest solution to this is to try and draw up a 'Code of Conduct' for the PvP zones and ask if Bridger can sticky it on the PvP forum. Of course, it is totally optional but once it's up, people will soon learn who agrees to it and who refuses to honour it.

To kick things off, here are some rules I think should be adhered to by all honourable PvP'ers

1 - If someone states they are badgehunting, leave them alone. This should NEVER be used to trick people though.

2 - If somoene is fighting a mob, do NOT attack them until they've cleared it .

3 - Do NOT deliberately TP people into mobs so they get debt.

4 - If people are trying to have private battles in a PvP zone, please do them the favour of not interfering. Likewise, if someone does interfere in a private battle, you need to accept that this is going to happen unless you take it to the arena.

5 - Broadcast banter and boasting is part of the fun of PvP. The obscenity and abuse that seems to be becmoing common there is not.

6 - If someone is not following rules, tell them about the thread so they can see what is classed as sporting and unsporting.

Can anyone else think of any other general rules?

Guys, as these 'SG Specific' threads seem to be appearing quite regularly, I'm guessing a lot of you may not know about what's discussed HERE

If one of you can point it out to the SG/VG leaders, it would be appreciated.

Guys, as these 'SG Specific' threads seem to be appearing quite regularly, I'm guessing a lot of you may not know about what's discussed HERE

If one of you can point it out to the SG/VG leaders, it would be appreciated.

Guys, as these 'SG Specific' threads seem to be appearing quite regularly, I'm guessing a lot of you may not know about what's discussed HERE

If one of you can point it out to the SG/VG leaders, it would be appreciated.

Guys, as these 'SG Specific' threads seem to be appearing quite regularly, I'm guessing a lot of you may not know about what's discussed HERE

If one of you can point it out to the SG/VG leaders, it would be appreciated.

Guys, as these 'SG Specific' threads seem to be appearing quite regularly, I'm guessing a lot of you may not know about what's discussed HERE

If one of you can point it out to the SG/VG leaders, it would be appreciated.

Guys, as these 'SG Specific' threads seem to be appearing quite regularly, I'm guessing a lot of you may not know about what's discussed HERE

If one of you can point it out to the SG/VG leaders, it would be appreciated.