I Burnt The Toast
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I wasted 67 seconds of my life reading the first post.... I want a refund!
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Whether the #SaveCoH campaign works or does not... I know that I have done everything I can to help save the first MMO I have ever played and still play.
Not doing anything will not save this game, but there is a chance that doing something/anything will... I will continue to do something/anything I can
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I have GW2. Now granted due to work etc I have not been playing much. I like the visuals and many things about the game, BUT it is not a replacement for CoH for me...I still have hope that we can #savecoh
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Added... Hobbs, NM yeah I live in the frickin desert!
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Quote:Did you just call me stupid???Originally Posted by Plonk
If someone says "your statement comes across as delusional," the most intelligible reading, given the apparent verb/object usage, is "this appears to be a statement that someone who is delusional would assert." The real problem is probably just poor word-choice, whereby "delusional" here was probably intended to simply indicate Nether's degree of disbelief rather than genuinely suggest something about the state of mind of someone else. Nonetheless, forum discussions are frequently adversarial, especially when in the background there is a serious issue at hand, so BurningChick's reading was not unreasonable. Refusing to acknowledge what is a fairly straightforward reading is just going to make for even more hurt feelings and aggravation. Let's acknowledge each other, and move on.
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Quote:And yet he still did not call you delusional....Originally Posted by BurningChick
There's the bit where you call me, or at least my statement (which, of course, is a reflection of me), "delusional".
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Yeah I cannot find my toon in there LOL. He is 4ft tall and gray/light purple metallic costume.
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Quote:You may want to get your nose checked.Originally Posted by Xenophage
to the OP: Um, they can't really do that, you could take them to court over that... I Smell class action lawsuit...
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Sorry TonyV... I did the screenies for Virtue, but seeing as how it was full and Freedom was heading that way as well.. I never made it over to Freedom hehe
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Quote:While maybe not morally acceptable...legally it is.Originally Posted by Ground_Fault
If you think that this is an acceptable business practice I don't know what to tell you.
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Quote:And complete knee-jerk reactions should not be confused with maturity/morality/justification. I realize this is an emotional issue for some people, but threatening a lawsuit is no way to convince NCSoft that we (players) are someone that could even be dealt with either pro se or by an outside corporation/investors.Originally Posted by Steele_Magnolia
Negotiations are only possible between equal and interested parties. We are neither equal nor is NCSoft interested. It's been more than a week with no communication.
Hope should not be tempered with delusion.
Civility should not be confused with appeasement.
NCSoft has already stated they would contact people individually regarding sub time etc. Have they contacted you?? If not then how do you know what they plan on offering you?
Sorry but I think you are jumping the gun and in doing so representing us (players) when we never asked for your representation; because frankly I would not go about doing things the way you are currently. The concerns have been passed on by Zwill, and I would hope you could be respectful of his request and wait for official communications from NCSoft.
And you may want to re-read the User Agreement; the one that no one forced you to accept but that you knowingly accepted every time you launched CoH.
Quote:14. DISPUTE RESOLUTION
(a) Informal Resolution - With respect to the resolution of any controversy related to this agreement (hereinafter "Dispute") (except as provided under Section 14(c) below), You agree to try to resolve any Dispute informally for at least thirty (30) days before initiating any arbitration or other proceeding, including any legal proceeding in court or before an administrative agency.
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Posted on Titan by Mercedes Lackey; the author who is graciously doing whatever she can to help #savecoh:
Quote:http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.....html#msg47249First off, this post is NOT meant to discourage you guys. Just remember we have to deal in facts as well as hope.
Larry did some fact-checking and money-tracing (he's the brains of our operation, I just do the heavy-word-lifting). This is what he found.
"The essence of it all appears to be as simple as this: NCsoft is owned by Nexon Co. Ltd., and Nexon has a record of only being interested in what benefits Asian gamers, and last quarter, their push was heavy East and EU.
Paragon Studios employed 80 people. Nexon employs 3,400. City made $800k clear profit a month. Nexon's quarterly was $242 million, and their latest 1 of 60 MMOs registered 3 million players in China last month. Nexon has been at a steady $1.1 to $1.2 billion dollar company for 3 years.
As big as CoH has been to us, City wasn't even a blip seen from Tokyo and Seoul. Someone 5,000 miles away (who likely never played any game the corporation owns---and even their largest shareholder only has a 21 percent share) said "reduce North American assets," and this happened. And with a billion people in China as a market for Nexon's free-to-play/micropayment 2D MMOs versus a highly-technical American-based 3D MMO, they saw no reason to bother (or, really, even take notice)."
This is actually something we can parlay. I mean, hello? $800k PROFIT PER MONTH with an 80 person staff? That sounds like a THRIVING small business to me! This is something worth investing in! If any of you actually write on small business blogs, this story would be worth starting over there--giant asian firm DUMPS profit-making business. This could get any potential investor with his salt salivating.
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Quote:QFT - Running around screaming "I'm gonna sue you!" is not the most productive way in trying to get negotiations started.Originally Posted by Heat Guard
It's been stated in other threads that had this subject brought up, but I think it may be good to do it again here, in regards to bringing up lawsuits I really think that may be counterproductive to what we've been trying to do. I understand the anger that you're feeling, believe me I feel the same, but we need NCSoft to play ball with us, as well as potential investors and talks of lawsuits will either just make NCSoft think they made a wise decision or scare off investors. We're still in the saving the game phase, either by reversing the decision or selling it to another company that'll keep the game going, lets just stay focused on that for the moment.
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Quote:Maybe you should have waited for an official announcement from NCSoft regarding pre-paid time before doing that? Since NCSoft is not refusing to give refunds as they have not made an official statement yet regarding such things....just saying.Originally Posted by Steele_Magnolia
A little bit of online research found a class action lawsuit filed against Square Enix of America Holdings, Inc for deceptive billing practices for Final Fantasy XI.
http://www.game-debate.com/news/?new...asy%20XI%20MMO
http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/06/24/SquareEnix.pdf
I contacted the company via its webpage form here:
http://makaremlaw.com/
This is what I said:
I saw in Courthouse News that you filed a class action lawsuit against Square Enix of America Holdings, Inc on behalf of Final Fantasy XI players. I am tipping you to an opportunity to file a similar lawsuit against NCSoft with regards to its game City of Heroes.
On August 31st, 2012 the company announced that it is cancelling the game and the servers will shut down for good on November 30, 2012. The company is refusing to give refunds to customers who purchased server access time beyond that date.
Over 100,000 people play City of Heroes. Of that number I do not know how many have subscriptions prepaid beyond November 30th. Only one of my accounts is prepaid beyond that point (to January 1 2013).
I am willing to be your first customer. I will help you find more.
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Great article btw
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http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09...ity-of-heroes/
(Links to this thread hehehe)
And Wow to Mercedes Lackey. You can read her letter to NCSoft here:
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I took lots of pics of AP6 on Virtue, but they were all group photos and you can't really see my toon
My main is only 4 feet tall LOL!
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Quote:EXACTLY!Originally Posted by Feycat
Yeah, I'm definitely in your boat. I haven't even saved my characters yet, even though I DL'd the utility. I'm superstitious, it's like, if I do this, it means it's all REALLY gonna happen!
I still have hope. I guess if by November 29th nothing has changed...I will save my characters. The worst part is my best friend doesn't even log in anymore. That is the hard part for me; I mean sure I love CoH, but the losing friends and even friendly acquaintances is what is tearing me apart. -
Quote:Like I said... some people are not into the whole #SaveCOH campaignOriginally Posted by Feycat
Some of them were. And some of them were complaining that help/LFG was getting spammed up by the rally and we needed to shut up and let people play the game.
I tried convincing one of my friends to come join me on Virtue (I play on Freedom as do all my friends), but instead he logged out and said it would be too depressing. He is the exact opposite of me: He logs on every day and plays like he never heard the announcement (Yes denial)...me on the other hand...I log on; chat a lil and log. I haven't actually PLAYED CoH for a week now
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Quote:No they were complaining that people wouldn't let TonyV talk - you know one of the organizers of the rally.Originally Posted by Feycat
Yeah, you can give or take a couple hundred people who wanted to be there and couldn't. That still doesn't bridge the gap.
Not to mention that there were people during the event ACTIVELY complaining about the fact that we were "spamming the channels" with our efforts to, y'know, keep the game running. -
Quote:I didn't claim CoH had 15,000 players - I never claimed how many subscribers CoH currently has. If I were to guess I would say the total number of VIP players is anywhere between 50,00-60,000 (which would be half of the last published number from 2009 http://www.alteredgamer.com/pc-gamin...r-populations/).Originally Posted by Feycat
Well, the 15,000 names on that survey are not COH players. They're the few COH players who are actively fighting the shutdown, plus their sympathetic friends, family, and other gamers who understand our feelings.
And meanwhile, we can get about 4000 people to actually show up - just LOG INTO THE GAME and show solidarity. Just 4000. 15,000 signatures and (you claim) more than 15,000 players, but barely 4k who'll actually show up to say "don't close my game!"
That's why NCSoft isn't going to bat an eye at this, sadly.
Also, we have no idea if COH was *profitable* or not. We have no idea what their overhead is.
Many of my globals were not on. And actually of the 15 or so who were - 8 were on a Doc Q TF (on Freedom). Like I said some people simply aren't into the whole "Save COH" campaign as they view it as a waste. I was on skype with one friend who was trying to get on but spent almost an hour in the Virtue Que and decided to go to Freedom instead.
FYI 4,000 was Virtue server by itself.... And believe it or not some people actually can't log on at certain times. Not every player is EST or even in the US for that matter. Some people work weekends..some people have lives outside of CoH. One of my friends I have played with for 3+ years couldn't make it due to work....so no - one rally at one specific time is not indicative that CoH only has X amount of players. -
Quote:NCSoft lost $6 million in the last quarter NOT Paragon/CoH...just want to make that abundantly clear. Last I heard CoH had way more than 15,000 paid subscriptions... way more. You have to realize that; even with the closing, most players do not bother with the forums.Originally Posted by That_Ninja
GW2 isn't failing, but that is besides the point. The quarterly loss that seems to be connected to CoH getting the axe was $6 million. In a financial quarter, a period of three months, they lost two years worth of revenue from your projected amount, which I am unsure of because I don't know if non-CoH players could have signed the petition due to word of mouth.
Regarding the petition - unfortunately a few players I know have the stance of "why bother" and haven't even "signed" the petition. Some people took the announcement and accepted defeat; while others are doing whatever they can to try and save Paragon City.
I remember seeing some graph or something a few years ago that had CoH at approx 150,000 active subs - multiply that by $15 and you get a nice chunk of change every month, but then you have to figure in Paragon salaries, NCSoft "fees", servers, etc etc etc etc....so while Paragon/CoH has always been profitable....NCSoft didn't think what "little" profit CoH brought in was worth their time. -
I have nothing negative to say about the CO community as I only spoke to one person in game. I am just way too accustomed to CoH that CO feels completely alien to me. I stated before that the big hurdle for me were the graphics...I just found them to be ugly and that is why I will not continue playing CO.
If/when CoH closes and some heroes of Paragon make their way to CO I truly hope they enjoy their experience, make lots of new friends, etc. -
Here is hoping that this rally has some positive results
A few friends were stuck in Que for Virtue so instead started Rallying on our home server of Freedom
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5 minutes before the rally and we are at 31!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
