I Burnt The Toast

Here's hoping you feel better.

I don't know you...I mean I have seen your name here and there on the forums but I tend not to remember people as a habit. Your post is quite hypocritical; which I am sure you knew and basically stated. Not sure what gives you the "right" to tell people to shut up. The constant spewing of negativity is going both ways in case you failed to notice.

Me?? I personally cannot stand all the Anti-NCSoft BS that is being spread. I get it you don't like NCSoft... They "murdered" your community..they destroyed your "home." To that I say GET OVER IT. See there I can be just as douchey about your (not meaning you specifically.. but like you said ..they should know who they are) constant whining and tantrum fits over a business decision that NO ONE knows the full details about which is common place among big business decisions. I am tired of the self absorbed ungrateful attitude displayed on the forums like people are owed ANYTHING from NCSOft... they owe you NOTHING. You are not some victim...but damn if you can't play the role. It is a game people. If your "community" is so spectacular and all that jazz...then it should very well be able to maintain itself...heck even flourish under a new Plan Z.

You wanna know what your community looks like right now?
Spoiled brats who are gonna get back at Mom & Dad for taking away your toy. Vindictive..unorganized..childish...wannabe thugs.

I was ALL for the SaveCoH movement when it started - and here's why. It wasn't about getting even..it was about saving the game. It wasn't about doing immoral/illegal activities..it was about uniting as one voice. It wasn't about a smear campaign..it was about heroes standing tall, united, and honorably defending what they believed in.

Even when a hero is defeated...that doesn't mean they become a villain...it means they pick themselves up...dust off their clothes and get ready to fight again...like a hero...not some two bit thugs. THAT is what has been lost from the CoH movement and THAT is why I "left" it... I am a hero and I refuse to act like some ****** nozzle because things didn't go my way. I cannot in good conscience stand by with smear campaigns, nasty emails/letters being sent to NCSoft, emulators...because to me that is not what a hero does...their morality doesn't waiver when the fight gets rough..if anything their resound gets stronger..their convictions strengthen.

Instead of wasting your energy on NCSoft; who honestly could give a rat's a$$ what the SaveCoH movement is doing... take that energy and focus into something you believe in; like Plan Z. You are wasting time and energy on these minuscule smear tactics when you could be going 100% towards achieving something which is more admirable and reflects better on the community. The recent attitude change of SaveCoH seems like a waste and counter productive to saving anything; but I will be damned if it isn't destroying your image among some players.

(YES I replied to EK in this post, but when i say YOU... I am speaking in general terms of YOU not EK... You being those people who are doing the things I pointed out).

Reminds me of the scene from HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL
http://youtu.be/1GYBMDYWJzE

Meh - Still not enough to get me to play DCUO. That was always my wish here - base love and/or personal lairs. About 3-4 years ago I decided to do my own base for just my toons. Sadly about 3 months ago I decided to redo my base and deleted everything...it still sits unfinished LOL! I always got too busy designing/editing other people's bases to finish my own.

And if he is trying to get CoH players there that is bad how? Other players are actively recruiting on these forums for various games - do you go there and tell them the same thing? Seeing as how we were told by a redname that we could now discuss other games; yes even other GASP NCSoft games; your attempt at policing is laughable.

His advice is a lot more logical and mature than most people's. I sometimes wish NCSoft had actually done something BAD to the players like a 30 day sunset; then maybe the one's going all Anti-NCSoft wouldn't seem like children throwing a tantrum half the time.

RE: Halloween event. I actually prefer the "old school" Halloween stuff compared to the new Halloween event/mission that was introduced. I think maybe I would have liked it more had I not had to be exemplared to 29. I remember my first year ToTing...trying to get as many of the costumes as I could. I didn't do nearly as much ToTing last year because I was focusing on getting all the badges for it on a few toons

I actually meant to hit REPLY and not QUOTE my bad.

My questions still stand though Even if NCSoft could not WIN a legal battle...just how much of a battle does Titan really think they can fight in the courts? Financially? And would it even be worth the risk if such a battle means the destruction of Plan Z?

I mean this is NCSoft we are talking about...you know the ones people like to vilify on these boards since 8/31/2012. NCSoft being the heartless/ruthless/evil corporation that it is ...would decimate Plan Z's future if it came to a legal battle over emulation. One would think that Titan should COMPLETELY disassociate itself with those doing emulation work...and by that I mean not turn a blind eye. I would hope that Titan would do whatever it took to safely secure the "community" and not take unnecessary risks that could truly decimate what is left of the "community." NCSoft has ignored Titan for the most part, and I would think it would be interesting to see what happens when the hot headed nature of the current movement...pisses them off; especially considering I am quite positive they read the forums here and there and are aware of each "project."

Just my 2¢.

The question is not if NCSoft would win, but rather how much of a legal battle could Titan afford? I am willing to bet NCSoft has 1. More lawyers and 2. More funds available for legal fees than Titan could ever imagine.

Is the RISK of a lawsuit enough deterrent for Titan to abandon ALL affiliation with emulation if it means the future of Plan Z?? Too bad these boards will be gone in a few weeks; because I think that would be one helluva "I told you so."

Oh I am not doing an emulator LOL! I am morally against them as they are nothing but stealing. Professionally I could not be involved with one if I even wanted to - I am a Federal employee, and well I value my job way more than a game.

The emulator is the main reason I no longer participate in anything Titan related. NO Titan is not endorsing an emulator, but a few key people at Titan are knowingly working on it. I refuse to be associated with such a thing or any group that takes part in it.

Oh yeah I forgot if you are not totally up the SaveCoH backside then you are a troll. Speaking of illegal - how's that emulator coming along?

And I think NCSoft was quite gracious in giving a 90 day sunset. Most MMOs get 30-60 days. The only thing I think NCSoft was churlish in doing was the way they handled the Paragon staff.

That article made me laugh. Sure SOME of what it said is actually true, but some of it is also pure hearsay.

This whole Anti-NCSoft thing is kinda silly to me. I doubt NCSoft truly cares what a few thousand people think...when GW2 has already sold over 2 million units as of mid September. Articles like these discredit the author more than the subject in my opinion. Felt like I was reading a National Enquirer Gaming article.

Your story very much reminds me of my own Glad to see you had a great 6 years playing!

And I too traversed Grendel's Gulch with hover on more than one occasion.. What?? IT WAS SCARY!!!!!

You assume VERY wrong. Not only did I sign the petition but I CONSTANTLY tweeted about it every day. I was very much for SAVECOH until approx a week ago when it became clear that no amount of letters or tweets were going to Save CoH. NCSoft made their decision and instead of continuing in an effort that will be fruitless I stopped.

Heck I even got a few co-workers to sign it who have never played CoH.

These boards irk me when people assume so much about people they have no idea about

I have no problem with NCSoft as they were the ones who allowed me to play CoH for 7+ years. I was not delusional and knew CoH would close eventually.
From my standpoint the population was noticeably declining within the past 2 years - many of my global friends went on to other games and these were people who had played 5-6 years.

You and I both can think of ways for CoH to make money, but then again we also do not head a billion+ corporation and know everything that went into the decision...so yeah it's easy for us to say NCSoft was wrong.

Generally when I quote someone it is more so they know I am speaking to them personally or replying to something they said in general. I have been a Top Posting person since I started posting on forums back in 1995/1996 and I can honestly say this is the first time anyone has every said anything negative regarding it

Another thread got me thinking this... where are the devs who left CoH BEFORE the announcement?

BABs?
Castle?
Geko
Pohsyb
JLove (Who truly is sexy)
Statesman - I know he is currently CEO of Cryptic.
Etc etc

Anyone know where the most recent Devs have moved on to since 8/31 if they have found new jobs?

We will never truly know how much profit or revenue CoH had, but we do know that it was not enough for NCSoft to continue to support CoH. The best guess is that CoH had approx 50-60k current subscribers, and that number was slowly decreasing. Compare that to when CoH had 140k+ subscribers and it amazes me that CoH stayed as long as it did (Granted I am happy it stayed 8 years, just surprised).

CoH was not some cash cow bringing in millions upon millions...it was treading water. Part of the problem; again people don't like to hear this, is that the Freedom model was too lenient on Premium members...it gave them too much. Once someone reached tier 8/9 there was very little reason to continue to pay a monthly sub; especially if incarnate content was not something they were interested in. Incarnate content is the ONLY reason I stayed subbed as long as I did. I had grown bored with most of the game and when they finally introduced an end game it reignited my interest in CoH to a whole new degree.

I personally did not think CoH would shut down when it did, BUT I knew it's days were numbered. I expected CoH to close down in either late 2013 or early 2014; which should have given Project X time to see fruition. But I look at it a lot differently than most people on these forums; it was a great 8+ years and now that is over. I Doubt I will move on to anything else; haven't found anything that remotely interests me. So while I think CoH was unique and special...that is all I think was unique and special. CoH was my first MMO and it will always carry a place in my heart, but it's time to let it go and that's what I am doing...it was a great game which I will miss playing.

I will add that I think Paragon had one of; if not the best, development and CS team out there. When the announcement came I felt bad for them; working so long and hard on a product to simply be told "get out." NCSoft could have handled THAT part of the closing in a MUCH better fashion imo.

Or it is me saying my comments here are like they are in real life: blunt and realistic. I deal with murderers and rapists all day long - sugar coating things isn't the best way to deal with them Sugar coating is for children - adults need to learn to communicate in a realistic and no BS manner One of my biggest pet peeves are people who can't say what they think for fear of hurting people's feelings...little white lies are the playground of spin doctors...not realists

And now you made me think of this guy:



And I don't like it when people Bottom Post, but I'm not going to compare their action to farting...because I recognize that people do things that make them comfortable and what they are used to doing and since it doesn't affect me...I just leave it be. To be honest I have never cared whether people Bottom or Top post and would never try to tell people the way they post is against some supposed rule. If I want to "attack" someone I sure as hell am not going to be a netiquette freak and look for something like that, grammar, punctuation, etc....

No clue who Evil is. The friends I had in-game do not post on the forums.
Already happily coupled up with someone else hehe

I actually looked on the interwebs about this LOL! I have been posting in forums for about 16 years now and have always done what is called "Top Posting" where your post is on top of the quote. There is no ONE way that is considered acceptable online is what I have discovered. Some people prefer Top Posting (me) while others prefer Bottom Posting (Tyger) BUT there is nothing saying either is considered universally correct; nor is either way considered universally offensive.

Here is one of the "reasons" Top posting is more common now than it was say when Usenet etc were the main "forums":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting

Just got an email from Extra Life:

Overall $1,930,000 was raised this year for Children's Miracle Network hospitals which is well above the 1.2 million raised in 2011

The City of Heroes team raised $8,618.00.

Gaming with my friend who was playing for his local CMN hospital was a great way for us to end our time playing CoH together.

My observation of the forums from 2005 through 2011 is what kept me from posting.... It doesn't bother me if people are "rude" to me on a forum, but to say that new posters are always met with open arms here is a flat out lie...I have seen "noobs" torn to shreds for asking so-called "dumb" questions...not just here, but on every MMO forum I have participated in.

Again...nothing special about the CoH community - it's just another MMO community with decent and not so decent posters and everything in between.

No clue what that is referencing. I am not going to link to the thread though. It was in the pvp section and it was nudes posted of a MALE player. They were then spread all over this forum as well as another CoH forum ridiculing him etc.

If my bottom quoting bothers you that much...LOL

I have ALWAYS bottom quoted - it's not something against you or anyone it is simply how I reply on forums. Comparing it to a real life disgusting habit is uhmm weird. If my reply format bothers you as much as someone farting... LOL

I'll say it again: CoH forums are not unique or special...kinda like the CoH community. You thinking they are does not make them so. I have read stories on other forums how X game has helped autistic children cope with their autism, how games have helped people come out of a deep depression, how couples have met/married/had kids, etc etc... These are not unique to CoH. At the core of most MMOs is a supportive player base and to think it is only a CoH thing is nothing short of conceited.

If you consider my posting style to be rude and use that as justification to act rudely that is your choice. I consider my posts to be realistic and blunt. If you want to be rude go ahead it won't affect my opinion of you or this community...that opinion has been the same for quite some time. I didn't play this game because of it's community...I played it because I liked the game. I don't let other people's rudeness/politeness dictate my experience.

Uhh no I won't be telling people to avoid NCSoft. MMOs close it is the nature of the beast. CoH had 8+ years which is a good run.

There were not 100,000 signatures to Save CoH - try... 21,088 as of today - NOT an impressive amount imo for such a "healthy" game.

CoH would have been more viable had Project X never happened. As it stands it was barely profitable due to the excessive staff.

My confidence in MMOs has not been eroded in the slightest. MMOs require players...they require profit that meets the demands of the publisher. If they can't do that then they will be closed. NCSoft gave a 90 day sunset which is more than a lot of MMOs that have closed can say.

Obviously the profit was not reasonable for NCSoft; which is their business decision

CoH was not bringing in what NC wanted and they shut it down - that does not make them evil it makes it a business decision - a smart one imo.

I did not find those communities any more vile than this community; maybe that's because I looked at it objectively and not with rose colored sunglasses on as a CoH fan. Then again when someone/something is dying we tend to only remember the good things and tend to make it seem like it/they were more special than they truly were.

I always quote bottom....

Pretty sure everyone agrees WoW is not your typical MMO in any manner; both in the sheer number of subs and in their culture. So comparing CoH to WoW forums is a bit ridiculous to say the least. My game forum experience is from EQII, CO, DCUO, SWTOR, GWII etc....

Those forums are basically just like these - some unicorns, some helpful people, and everything in between.

And before you try to paint CoH forums as pleasant...remember the forums encompass ALL sections. Ever been to our pvp forums? There was one thread where someone posted nude pics of a player and people berated that player left and right - you are right such a pleasant community EVERY community has it's unicorns...CoH is no different.