Hit_and_Run

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Then point out the "rude" statement word for word.


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As previously stated, I find the wholesale ignoring of opposing arguments to be rude.

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Exactly what in this do I respond to? Its a statement of you opinion, I just disagree. Stating so isn't that important, since I'm for having the infamy badge, so you should already realize that.


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You're view is it is okay for you to refuse to compromise on leaving VG Mode, period, there are no exceptions to that for you and you ignore me on that issue all together. But you feel I should compromise on another badge. And my compromise would only have you leave VG Mode for a very short time. And again, since you can't point out the rude argument or show me the point you say I haven't addressed, there clearly isn't one. We are on opposing sides to an argument, and as near as I can tell that is what you find rude.

My VG is made up of 20 people. Of which between about 4 to 8 are on regularly. How large is your VG and how much prestige have you earned?

In one mission on my level 50 hero, a FF/Psy Defender. He earns out of SG mode easily 1 million in a mission. Team Size: 6.

Doesn't take much once you get up there. I had my second influence badge only a couple days after lvl 50. Is level 50 so bad that you can't wait til then for a contact? At that point those missions would be great for the prestige, story arc bonuses and all. Worth the time out of VG Mode. Which would be what maybe 2-4 missions at most by lvl 50?

The prestige loss is minimal if at all noticeable at that point.

Oh and btw lvl 40+, if you have debt, you can't earn prestige until your debt is gone anyway. What a thought, exit VG mode for that.

The only problem you have with leaving VG mode is a percieved loss in prestige after all, if earning prestige vs influence/infamy were really a problem you wouldn't have SG Mode. You would earn them together, and as you go up in lvl you wouldn't consitently earn less prestige vs mob.

Per minion, my lvl 50 earns 1-3 while my lvl 40 earns 10-12, get real, by the time you get up to lvl 45-50 where this contact is, the leave VG Mode isn't as big an issue, complain more about how much prestige you actually earn that is a bigger issue than whether a badge that requires you to earn infamy which applies to a contact that is lvl 45-50 is too "harmful" to a VG. You don't have an infamy penalty as you increase in level, you actually earn more. SO again I ask what is the real problem with leaving VG Mode at around lvl 45. That's when you are gonna want to worry about it. Your prestige at that level is non-existent in VG mode, let alone if you have debt.

It is a known fact that when you reach level 50, that they WANT you to roll a new character, hence the higher prestige rate at lower levels. And the wonderful thing is, for the infamy badge is that you earn more infamy at the higher level anyway which is where this contact and mission set is. It is of no concern to anyone prior to that, since they 1) can't get the mission 2) can't get the contact 3) if you are worried about the badge for the accolade, do the same thing as the heroes do, team with someone that has it and sk with them. 4) if leaving VG mode were really that harmful to earning prestige, then VG mode should not exist.

Villain Primary: Prestige Total: 684575 #1 in VG - lvl 40
Villain Secondary: Prestige Total: 186705 #4 in VG - lvl 29

Hero Primary: Prestige Total: 366928 #3 in SG - lvl 50
Hero Secondary: Prestige Total: 135407 #12 in SG - lvl 31

And in comparison, villains have less prestige issues than heroes.

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H&R, if simple civility cannot compell you to answer counterarguments or behave in a respectful manner, consider for a moment that your present behavior is not doing you any favors. If you are hoping to convince anyone of changing their opinions, it behooves you to remember that it's unlikely to happen when you ignore whole stretches of posts and pretend that people haven't countered your points with ones of their own.

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Then point out the "rude" statement word for word. In your case as follows. First off you accuse me of the following, yet do not offer the statement where I am not civil or respectful, if my statement is merely in opposition to yours and that offends you, I'm sorry, but I disagree and have no intention of changing my view. So far you are the only one personally attacking the other here.

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I'm the same way. Oddly enough, though, I've done this while being in VG mode for the majority of my villain's career - the enhancement drops alone pay for me and some of my friends. While I fully intend on getting Midas Touch and the epic infamy badges in the fullness of time, I have no driving reason to do so. I don't think that an unlockable contact with six arcs and an accolade-yielding badge mission is something that's improved by forcing me to drop VG mode.

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Exactly what in this do I respond to? Its a statement of you opinion, I just disagree. Stating so isn't that important, since I'm for having the infamy badge, so you should already realize that. After all I presume you have a modicum of deduction. And no one is forcing you to do anything, it is your choice, you can choose to leave VG mode, or you can choose not to leave VG mode. The only thing changing this badge does, is make the contact available sooner. So someone at lvl 1 could have the contact unlocked instead of someone around lvl 40-50. But since the contact is a lvl 45-50 contact, having it as an infamy isn't that big an issue. The contact will still be available to everyone and will be a badge that is a little more challenging.

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Because, for starters, when discussing the prestige gains of a group, it helps to know the size of said group. Likewise, I posted an experience with infamy that I felt was strikingly similar to yours - it went without response, though your reply to that post drew upon the conclusions I disputed.

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I stated my group size. And have quoted myself below for you.

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HR: I have solo'd 85-90% of the game and gotten to lvl 40 in half the time it took me to get my hero.

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I do not see a post of yours about experience with infamy, I've rechecked these posts a couple of times. I see a response where you agree with me, on your position in your VG, we are both in the high end on prestige. Please tell which of the previous posts you are referring to.

I also see no posts from you where I haven't responded to an actual question you've had or a true point related to our discussion.

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If you are so certain I haven't responded to something, please quote yourself. If you are so certain I've been rude quote me or report me.

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Now back to the discussion:

My View: We should have the infamy badge requirement back. I find the second infamy badge (Mr. Big) acceptible to the third (Midas Touch). I find the exploration badge an insult. I've played for 45 levels, most of which so far has been spent stuck at 40 waiting for the new content to arrive. I want some challenge to my game, not impossibility. And this game isn't about only prestige or there wouldn't be infamy. It isn't unfair, because it is possible to attain reasonably. It isn't work, because you don't have to grind to get it, it will happen. But to pick this one contact to change because it is too difficult? It isn't difficult at all. Just play the game. How difficult is that?

I fail to see what your complaint is with the infamy requirement, other than you might have to leave VG Mode. But if that was a game related issue, then they wouldn't let you turn it off. Again it is an issue of choice. And it doesn't penalize your VG. In my VG & SG not everyone plays in SG/VG Mode, and we aren't penalized even slightly by it. That's just how it goes, sometimes people have their own personal things they want to do in game.

I will check to see what you post in regards to your claim I've been rude. Beyond that I've made my view clear.

Take Care,
Hit and Run

I have been civil and respectful or a redname would have said otherwise.

The only items I haven't responded to were statements of opinions and one question that while I disagree, could not possibly answer as it pertains more to a programming nature and not being familiar enough with the programming of the game to know the actual possibility related to cost / time / etc.

And while what may be true for me, may not be true for everyone, yet what I do is what everyone else does, run missions etc. So if I am doing the same thing and getting the same reward, then how can it not be true.

If there is something that I missed as we have gone back and forth, please point it out, if I feel I have answered it, I will copy my previous post for you to read again if necessary.

Thank You,
Hit and Run.

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I don't have one that would be preferencial and fit the concept of TV. And I didn't return to Midas, I did suggest Mr. Big, which is a much easier and more practical badge, than Midas.


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It is, but it's also still one many people aren't finding to be a good choice - it doesn't fit the TV contact very well, either, and still penalizes base-oriented VGs, who need more help, not less.


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But I don't see that base-oriented VG penalty. I'm not penalized. I do same thing as everyone else. Our VG has a nice functional base. And I explained all my prestige above. Where is this penalty you speak of. Unless it is an issue of having the biggest, baddest, base possible that doesn't make for a penalty. Having a good functional base doesn't require all that.

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You didn't answer my question: name another badge from the list of over 200 that would require more work but not involve infamy. You addressed the one I suggested (sort of - you didn't say if you had worked for it or stumbled upon it) but have yet to give one of your own besides returning to Midas. and Midas isn't problematic for most people because of the effort involved, it was problematic because of the effects it has on your SG.


I take the complete opposite stance on working for contact badges. I think unlocked contacts *should* be worked at. Getting a "side effect" badge like for Infamy is not a fun way to unlock something.

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I don't have one that would be preferencial and fit the concept of TV. And I didn't return to Midas, I did suggest Mr. Big, which is a much easier and more practical badge, than Midas.

As for the "side effect" badge, I'm the highest prestige earner and have no problem with infamy, often donating my infamy to SG Mates in need, and this while having been mostly inactive last two months. And I've done it mostly solo, and not doing any grinding (in other words, I haven't been in a mission to just earn infamy or prestige.)

I fail to see the problem, even on my hero side, my non-solo defender is #3 prestige earner and I just gave away 2 million influence to SG mates. I was just sitting on it, so give it to someone who can use it. Currently my hero only has second influence badge, gotten within 3 days of making lvl 50. On this guy I play only to team with my SG or to occasionally try a hami raid.

So as far as this "side effect" issue goes, it isn't as big a deal as people make it out to be. I'm working on two more, one hero, one villain and again, gaining prestige and having no infamy issues in general. And I have the first infamy/influence badge on each. Both are around lvl 30 at this time. My alt villain is #4 on presting in my SG and my alt hero is around #10 soon to be #6.

So as far as working for my badges, I do missions like everyone else. I am not going out of my way, but its not stumbling either. It is the same method every player uses. No power leveling or grinding involved.

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I see your point than an explore badge being too easy, but can you come up with a request for a badge that's not trivial but doesn't have SG issues? for example, would Electrician be challenging enough?

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I had electrician by 14, as a lvl 45-50 contact it should be something someone 45-50 could be expected to get. Not something that you just walk over, I want something at least challenging. So far COV hasn't been challenging except for AV's. I have solo'd 85-90% of the game and gotten to lvl 40 in half the time it took me to get my hero.

Even second infamy badge is not unrealistic even with SG issues. Since as a lvl 45-50 you will always be able to earn the infamy needed, and doing a mission at lvl 50 earns considerably more infamy than earlier in the game, you wouldn't have to wait long to get it. I haven't played my lvl 40 actively much in the last 2 months, but I know I can't be that far from 2nd infamy badge.

I'm sure most could say the same. Besides we already know that they want you to roll new characters instead of playing old ones, so why is this such a big deal to work towards, some of us look forward to earning this badge and going yay I get new missions, instead of say woop'd'doo just another useless badge. The requirement for TV being an infamy badge means it'll be primarily unlocked by people who are playing their characters longer. Chances are they will have unlocked and played every other contact and this would open the door for new content without waiting for a patch. A marker to acheive and attain for enjoyment. You don't have to "WORK" towards this badge immendiately. That was the brilliance of the concept.

To change this badge requirement to an exploration, involves no effort, removes the challenge of unlocking this contact. While having it as an infamy requirement allows for a longer term content option for those of us who plan to play our lvl 45-50 past retirement.

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Thank you, developers, for reading the feedback and adjusting the TV's unlock requirement.

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Thank you, Devs, for the TV change. This has prevented a lot of SG headaches.
(I've been on vacation, if people wonder how I can be so vocal about this one day and then unresponsive to the change.)

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No thank you for the change. I would rather have the infamy badge than a cheesy exploration. At lvl 45-50 the contact is never out-leveled and worst case scenario make it the Second infamy badge.

After all change the TV then you might as well change Doc Buzzsaw as well since its easier to outlevel him before you get 25 over the prestige issue.

I was looking forward to the time it would have taken me to earn the infamy to unlock this contact. It would have been an achievement. Now its just something anyone can do while twiddling their thumbs.

This game is not about making things easier for people otherwise you wouldn't have setup the "forced teaming" for AV's and such.

Give us back the infamy badge requirement.

I agree with your points Ewok.

So now that I did that for you, your helping me get that infamy badge faster right?

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Now for seriousness, I am enjoying the badges for COV side including the accolades, and a few badges I'm gonna have to work hard for in order to get a contact. Hey its part of the game, if you want stuff handed on a silver platter go to E-Bay and buy it (Silver Platter). But you'll miss out on the experience.

And while I may not always agree with the devs, I think they've done a good job with the accolades for COV. At least so far.

On the issue 7 badge note: Has anyone reported that Steel Canyon Mayhem seems to be missing its exploration badge?

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I have a few questions.

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4. Since stalkers already get hide at lvl 1 will they be getting cloak of darkness as well?

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Hide replaces Cloak of Shadow.



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All I want to know is will Hide for Dark Armor have the + Per that Cloak of Darkness has if Hide is replacing Cloak of Darkness.

Ah Arena, that makes sense, PvE, if you have any stealth they can't see you with some exceptions. The Perception vs Stealth isn't handled the same PvE.

Then maybe a bold or different coloration for the zones then, something that makes them stand out to the rest.

Then why is there posted numbers for level 15, or level 23. The only levels we need the numbers for are the zone levels themselves. The rest just creates confusion.

My questions to your numbers are:

1) Was this a test in only Siren's Call or did you test each zone to see if the perception cap or stealth cap was affected by zone?
2) Did you do several different levels creating the numbers and fill in some blanks by formula or determine each level individually?

Because, I'm concerned by the fact that according to my understanding (from the No Future Site link above) that a level 40 Stalker who maintained his stealth cap (1073 ft) were in Siren's Call with a level 25 Tank who was at his perception cap (978 ft). The tank would never possibly see that Stalker. Now the zone auto-sk's and auto-exemplar's as appropriate, but this gives a distinct advantage to being a higher level in a zone which is supposed to create a balance by making you equal levels. But if your numbers are correct than this is not the case.

I disagree with you some, while those guides are good overall. Each are varied and show individual tastes, and different player personalities.

The following is what holds true for me.

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First: As a level 37 FF Defender, my job is to buff my team.

That is my PRIMARY. I wrote in opposition to ED, a little item, that describes my experiences with the Force Field powerset.

Enhancement Diversity

Second: I still enjoy my FF Defender, but since ED hardly play him, unless my SG is on and teaming. Because ED with my build setup prevents my ability to solo.

Third: Any build style doesn't negate the effectiveness of an FF Defender. Except not choosing any of the FF powers, but the first one. One's team dynamics can make a blaster styled FF Defender, effective. If I could, I'd have chosen more buff powers like Grant Invis and TP Ally, instead of some of the attack powers I have. But I only get 4 power pools.

Finally: Now if you read my angry ED write-up. While, I am still unhappy with ED don't let that deter you from making a FF Defender. You can be very effective and useful. I can tell when my FF's have dropped. My team starts taking lots of damage real quick. Otherwise my team only slightly takes damage, unless one guy goes off alone and tries to take on a group of mobs solo. In fact the hardest teammate for me to protect, is our Regen, because he doesn't have his own Def Buffs. So mine aren't as effective on him as on my other teammates.

I still prefer my FF Defender to any of my other alts. Even though I don't enjoy the fact I can't solo, without changing my build. I've made my choice and I'm sticking with it.

My best advice is find out what works for you and the people you play with. If it don't work for you, you won't play it, and if it don't work for those you play with, they may not team with that character.

Maybe a jewelry heist where we have to break the glass cases.

I tried looking, but I came upon an issue with the Legacy Chain gladiator badge.

I had a VG Mate with Ember Legacy of Flame Gladiator, but I didn't have it. All the badge sites I found said Legacy Flame minions. I still get plenty of those, however after some 6 missions still no badge. I checked with my VG Mate he said he had it before reaching CAD level. The only Legacy Chain minion I wasn't getting in my missions were the Legacy of Steel. I joined another VG Mate in one of his early Legacy Chain missions with plenty of Legacy of Steel minions. I got the badge about half-way thru.

I am a Stalker and was just breezing thru missions without taking on every minion. I wanted to clarify that I've definately taken out plenty of Legacy Chain minions while getting no badge. I am very confident in saying its specifically Legacy of Steel - Legacy Chain minions.

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Any confirmation on the numbers of Blue Coralax Hybrids yet?

I must agree on the Geocities thing.

A friend I know uses www.myspace.com, I don't know if they are better, but its worth looking.

As far as your contact guide, I must say I love it. They layout works great for me. Now if it only fit my screen . This for me is easier than the general text Style.

If you wanted to improve it, a little snapshot of the Contact might not be a bad idea.

I have only six, I also did not get Ghost Widow. I got mine from EB Games. Box was definately un-opened. Prior to my getting. I was there when they pulled from the shipping box.

I think this powerset is a very nice concept, but the Sound effects. I love the movie the Incredible Mr. Limpet, but after awhile even his sound effect in the movie could be annoying. That was for a short period of time. This set reminds me of the same tone as that and is enough that I play the game on Mute if there is a sonic nearby or in the party.