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Thats a great Idea. Maybe when an Arc is rated, there is a feedback option, which auto e-mails you. Or create a feedback tab in MA to let you see players feedback of your arcs.

Why not get a troller if your wanting the debuffs, and then since its a troller you get the added bonus of mez's

Why not get a Blaster or Scrapper if your wanting damage. The issue at hand is Trollers are more useful because of buffs/debuffs are added to controll. If the enemy cant attack, then noone takes any damage. If you are wanting damage, you must be joking id you think a defender is a replacement for a blaster.

Then again I'm a bit spoiled. My wife runs a kat/SR scrapper, and I run a Sonic/MM blaster, so we debuff both def&res quite a bit more than a defender really ever contributes.

The team that usually rus with us:
1:Kat/SR Scrap
2:Sonic/MM Blaster
3:Ele/Dev Blaster, or a Stone/FF troller (this player switched between the two alot)
4:Fire/Rad Troller
5:EM/WP tanker

+3 others. We do everything from GM's to AV's w/o a problem. Its not my "prefurred" team, but its a great team.

Oddly there have only been a very few people with problems with this new system of sking. Can you tell me what is great about not having the team all teamable? What about the current system of teaming is better than being able to play with absolutly anyone without playing mentor/SK tetris? What about doorsitting is fun for the general pop? At least with this new system, PLing will only happen "fast" if everyone contributes. At least with this new system i can play with my SG, with my current project character. What is so bad about more freedom to play for fun, at a cost of playing for powergaming?

I am a Min/Maxing Gamer. I am a rules lawyer. I am NOT a munchkin, and therefore I play the game for fun. Your fun might be to "beat" the game. Your fun might be to raise a ruckus. Your fun might be be to lower morale. Your fun evidently is not within the means of a game that the largest population plays togeather.

To quote many people before me "Lvl 50 is the goal, 1-49 is the journey. Enjoy the journey."

Nothing about this system affects the journey, except making it a bit longer by also making every party member matter (Instead of telling the sk that is at -5 to sitout).

Next point. PVP in this game has always been troublesome. BUT before Stalkers were the I WIN button. Now every AT has at least 1 semi-viable PVP build. I would count that as progress.

Last point. Just because you don't like the term, doesn't mean they don't datamine. If most people don't bridge, and bridging is a problem, then oddly enough taking it away affects total population-most people. If Bridging is a problem, and most people do bridge, then the game is fixed to be more in line with how it is supposed to be.

I have another "fix" for bridging. Its called do what every ther MMO does and don't allow people to party outside of a 5 level range. That would kill all parties in this game.

Another "fix" would be to set 30 min timers to every mish, so mishes arnt really farmable. That ruins the content players.

Another "fix" is to make it where party members dont get xp for the kills if they are further away from the mob being killed than 20 ft. That ruins the people that can solo in teams to speed things up (Scrappers, Stalkers, Brutes, MM's, Etc)

Or the "fix" i like best is to encourage everyone to play togeather by taking out the need for mentors.

I believe that is confirmation, but no real info on what it all entails.


EDIT: looks like I got beaten to the punch.

I used quotes around that word for a reason. Its the same word they themselves used. Don't confuse punctuation with semantics.

P.S. what is a ? If you want to "pick a nit" pick a good one. Or someone with pick you apart.

P.P.S. Here is the direct quote from what I said, in which I point out Cryptic said what was impossible, (thus using their words which although should be quoted, the forum threads about it back then arn't here to be quoted) and later use the word in quotes in the quotes. The quotes tend to mean someones exact words, not nessessairly my own view. Even look at the title of the article about I16.... it is called something along the lines of "Doing the impossible" because our current dev staff see that they even are guilty of saying it was "impossible" and so are playing off their old beliefs.

P.P.P.S. Want to banter semantics? Lets start a new thread for that. Want to Nitpick, new thread. You want to communicate where we share ideas and thoughts (the reason people standardized language) feel free. I know you are smart enough to have gotten the point of my post, hopefully smart enough that I can say you were intentionally obtuse in trying to have a "smart" reply.

P.P.P.P.S. For the most part, weather I agree or disagree with the people on this thread, it has mostly been a sharing of ideas, and not a game of nit-picking/semantics.

People only read what the want to read. I do data analysis for a school district (talk to teachers, admin, get numbers ready to send off to state, stuff like that)

Reading comprehension is a bit abysmal nation wide.

Even so the only "fix" I really want is travel powers. I want my "inertia" based toon with SS from lvl 1. If I wait till lvl 14 for it, I want to still keep it if exempd (Superman doesn't ever lose his speed just for hanging out with batman, he just tells batman to hop in the bat mobile).

Other than that, it would be convienant to keep self rez's. but thats just cause it helps teaming.

The Idea I had in mind as the "fix" was you get the powers, but none of the enhancments. So you "can" use them, but they are expensive, weak hitting, etc. Then you lose nothing thematically with your toon, while still staying fairly balanced for the level.

Or They could let everything through, so your lvl 50 exemp'd to 1 does damage as a lvl 1, but you feel "epic"

Short story long:

Just so you know, the program itself is built on something called the "Cryptic Engine." It is the core of how the game works. BUT as any programmer knows, just because your code is based on the backbone of someone else's doesn't nessessairly give the code compatability. Nor do they own your modifications nessessairly. CO and CoX are wtitten based off the same engine, but all the code added is unique to the company. And PNC bought the rights to all of the game, but cannot take the Cryptic name off, since they are also the owners of the CoX base engine.

It would take a massive rewrite of CoX to have all the functionality the CO has. At the same time Cryptic cannot legally use anything they made while specifically working on CoX, since that would bring up conflict of interest legal issues (you cannot work for a company and use your work for said company to make a competing product. Its fairly standard contract clause). So they have had to rewrite everything they liked about CoX for CO. This also means that if CoX is going to "steal" a feature of CO they must write it from scratch.

Long Story Short:

CO and CoX cannot legally use eachothers code, but can use ideas. CoX cannot drop the Cryptic logo since it is still using the Cryptic Engine.

Side Note:

Since the day that PNC bought CoX, they have been working on things said to be impossible by Cryptic. These same things are the things that Cryptic magically made possible with their new game. Its not all that bizzar it would take both companies about the same time to come out with "impossible" features. The time it took Cryptic to rewrite everything (and change a few things) is about the same time our "other stuff" has taken our dev's to make.

I agree with almost everything here, except: IO's Efficacy Adaptor is another decent choice. Why? Because as you sap, Sparky will help keep ther enemies' end down, so you don't have to work so hard. But really i would say 2 damage, 1 acc, 1 end red, 1 end mod is optimal close to optimal.

That is correct. The only part that is sorta off is you can set the mish to spawn at +4, so the mobs are at +5 vs the sk's, and +4 vs everyone else. That being said, if you can solo +4 mishes spawned for extra people, without their help, you deserve to PL them that way. If you need their help, then its not really PLing them, its just running (or farming) hard mish's. If you are farming, and can kill at +4, then why have the extra people.... more rewards for you if you are alone.

PLing at +4 will become more of a "your my friend and I'll help you" over the current system of "LFM any, we want you to doorsit"

Can the new system be abused, YES. Can the new system be abused as quickly or easily as the old system, NO. They arn't removing PLing, farming, or any of that. They are minimising it, and its impact of the game. Its not as easy after I16, so it will happen less. Lazy people get PL'd. Active people dont PL (they play the game for content, farm, or whatever). This new system rewards active people for not PLing others, while giving nothing to lazy people in return. Lazy people will have to find a "new" way to be lazy.

As for how education now works, it's a differant world than you grew up in, or maybe you just went to a bad school with mediocre teachers. But again, the students are bad for not turning in the culprit making all their lives worse. Which goes back to only the good gets punished when many are being bad. Good students wouldn't let the entire class take flack for the actions of an individual. Good also is based off action rather than grades. Anyone can suckup and get good grades.

As for your rant about leaving, coming back, paying for lifetime at CO and staying only if CoX is good enough... your not needed here. CO will fail (lifetime memberships to a pay per month game is usually the last straw a game will use to get an influx before they go broke).

And Ive gotten bored with CoX, but you didn't see me make a big deal about moving onto a new game, nor have I promoted any of those games. Some I genuinly have enjoyed. Most have been free, some have not. It serves no purpose other than to cause dissent. On a ship, you would be keelhauled for mutiny. I live my life by a code of conduct. Be as honest as I can be. Try to not infringe on others enjoyment. I am not telling you how to play this game, but we don't care about CO. Most of us are anti CO since they were the ones that for a while were ruining this game (Cryptic is the first dev team for CoX and are using the exact same engine with a little Fx mods for CO, and a minor ammount of changes). So the only reason I can see that someone would bring up the competition in a positive light, is to bring down moral here. That infringes upon our enjoyment of the time we spend here. SO either A) you are a spy from the competition trying to invoke mutiny, or B) you arn't happy here, and need to move on. No need to make it grandeouse and try pulling others with you. If the are unhappy, they too will move on. Either way, let us be happy, and take your misery, doom and gloom, elsewhere.

Id rather be a happy sheep over a miserable donkey. Sadly, I am to opinionated to really be a sheep, so instead Ill be a happy Lombax.

P.S. I hate the lvl 1-49 grind, and yet most of my characters are in that range because I rarely PL for more than a few level to get out of a painful range. like lvl 17-19, 29-32. Two of the worst spots in the game.

I see 100 posts per page, and 6 pages. That's almost 600 posts total. I have read each one. Oddly, you are the only doom and gloom on this thread. Some have pointed out their displeasure, but you are being over verbose in sayin SSK will be the downfall of mankind. Take your SnakeOil back to CO, and leave us shiney happy people alone.

As a side note, I work for a highschool, and oddly enough, the only time the good gets punished for the bad student's actions is when a large population is doing wrong. Generally the good are unaffected by changes that the bad students force.

The good players play both in and out of MA, TF, Radios, Content, in teams or solo for the fun of playing. Even Min/Maxers enjoy the game for the game. The bad, abuse the system, by finding the optimal way of "beating the system."

Bad players abused Cathedral of Pain. Bad Players abused Com Officers. Bad Players abused Wolves/demons/etc. Bad players abused Green Mito's. Bad players are also called Munchkins in the gaming community. If you cheat and can get away with it, its allowed. Bridging, even the auto bridging MA does, is an abuse that needs fixed. I abuse MA. Not alot, but from time to time I will play a "farm" and PL my wife, or she PL me. This system will not hurt, a single good player. The soloist will not notice any differance, and us perma-teamers will love how easy life becomes. OH-NOES we cant maximise our gains by being 5 below the leader anymore, and instead we can actually contribute.

Life here for all of us on CoX is looking great.

You take a Smoke Break after each mish? Man I need to join your team, my teams always take 1 every 2 hours. They just arn't trying hard enough I guess.

Oddly enough I did not bring up sitting at a computer. I brought up the In game referances to mechanics that don't exist in the world of the game. Read some comics (especially the CoH ones). They never ask "anyone got a wakie" or "can i get a rez here." That is not in the setting. You break character each and every time to deal with things on the Meta Game level. Breaking charcter constantly is not Role Playing. And I agree that as soon as you say "+2 sword" you are in the meta realm... and guess what, back when D&D was made, during game you wouldn't call it a +2 sword untill after game. During game you would call it "A masterfull sword, of a quality supirior to your own" or "Although this sword was made well, it's quality is lacking in comparison to this other sword." Its the newer generations that are all about Rolling the dice that are turing Role Playing into Roll playing. I am not saying either playstyle is wrong, but dont call a duck a sheep. A Duck is a duck, a sheep is a sheep. And as I pointed out, even if you are IC all the time, the world around you is not. Everytime you hand out a wakie to someone, use AOL speak, say BRB phone, you are breaking character. Every time someone asks for a wakie while passed out, does your character marvel at how they are talking while passed out? Generally OOC discussions are also away from table. When a member steps away from the table, groups halt, or come up with some IC reason their character doesnt know whats going on (Ive kno wn characters to spend alot of time in the woods using a nearby tree, while everyone else deals with a random encounter. Twice he has brough back the encounter back to us).

Everyone steps out for a break pausing game, so they can talk OOC without ruining the atmosphere in a good Role playing group. But in the world of MMOG's the OOC is a persistant world affect that all characters deal with all the time. your IC roleplay gets interupted with a booming voice of global channel saying "ITF LF DPS, PST <Person X>"

Even if your character ignores all that, it still is there distracing the players from the IC interactions. Usually when RL calls bad enough, the gaming group pauses, and calls it a day/night, BSing for a bit, and moves on. Oddly enough it usually takes about a recap+30 mins for things to get going next time there is a game.

Oh and if you want experiance with gameing, okay, 20 years of RP experiance between D&D 1.0, AD&D, D&D3.0/3.5, D&D4ed, RIFTS, Beyond the supernatural, Robotech, Nightbane, Heroes Unlimited, Quags (both serious runs and funny runs), Shadowrun, Cyberpunk, D100 Middle Earth RPG, BESM, Abeo, Traveler, Mega Traveler, Marvel Superheroes % system, Icon Star trek, d6 star wars, d20 star wars, Mutants and masterminds, Paranoia, Old WoD Whitewolf (Tabletop and LARP), New WoD Whitewolf, to name a few. This is not mentioning CCG's, MMOG's, Strategy war games, Strategy tabletop games. Plus Ive helped write 3 independant systems. I kinda grew up in gaming stores, have listened to peoples stories, went to conventions, really am a gaming nerd. Good thing my wife is into the same things, heck we met on a MUD (much closer to RPG than MMO's have).

I like playing both Role and Roll, but I never delude myself into thinking I am Role playing when im Roll playing, or just sitting around with a character sheet BSing for a few hours. Oh and yes that is an option, which is loosely playing mechanics, but really just socialising with friends. That is also not Role playing, nor Roll playing... thats just BSing.

Oh and if i quit gaming, you can have my collection of books. Its only 5 bookcases worth (Palladium and GURPS are massive collections, followed closely by OWoD).

This attitude of "when you make a back story you are role playing" is the exact attatude that is destroying alot of table top groups. (And yes I can say that having 3 years of managing a old fashioned gaming store with books, dice, games, etc). We started making a distinction between Role Playing and Roll Playing. Role playing is where the characters stay IC, and actually work on building a minds eye reproduction of the events. Roll playing is where you make a throw away backstory explaining why you are the way you are, so that you can explain off min/maxing or munchkining, and spend all your time in combat proving how godly your build is. People that step out of character, or use game terms when interacting with the world/NPC's pull people further out of the IC Minds eye event, and more into the OOC mechanics, thus ruining the experiance for people who truly IC.

I am not saying people in MMO's don't attempt to RP, but between the nessessairy jargon it takes to play, all of the OOC people, global channels, etc, you cant say its a Role Playing experiance. Otherwise i find it magical that every hero and villian knows the approx difficulty of each enemy they face, the name of each entity they meet, even on missions where you are discovering something supposedly for the first time. I also find it amazing that close to a hundred trinkits can be carried, as well as 15 or so recipes for making "stuff," as well as generic "enhancements" that somehow alter powers no matter what fuels them (somehow someone that pulls energy directly from a demon lord can enhance with the same set of pieces of equipment that a cyborg uses, or a mutant). On top of that everyone walks around with tangible idea that for a limited time can fix problems, like health or endurance, or heck you can use an tangible idea while passed out to wake yourself back up (Its like pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps). The elements that define the MMO are the elements that take you out of RPing. So yes on a very small and limited basis you can RP, but the more you play, the more you start Rolling, over Roleing.

Quick question, how many times has a strict Role Playing character done ITF, or KTF, or Sister Psy TF, or... or... or.... I can list hundreds of things that in the life of said character, they have broken their own IC timeline (Even Age of Apoclypse was a single break in timelines. I guess in comics the closest youll find is the Bishop/Cable/Strife coexisting different simultanious futures). I mean this isn't Star Trek online.

When making a backstory in a game like this, you are generally setting a theme for the character, which is different than actually Role Playing. Though with all the meta knowledge, I guess you could be Role Playing as "City of Deadpools"

Ok so I'll admit, you are right, we all have a blanket assumption about Roleplaying in Paragon city, we all interact on the MetaGaming level that Deadpool exists on. I see and understand, It just took me a while to see it, lets everyone add "Meta Gaming" and "Meta Knowlege" to all our "RP" toons so that they can be IC and still interact with an OOC world.