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Quote:As anyone can switch sides right up until 50, then that means there will be 20+ Praetorian content.Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
From what I've been reading what we know is that 20 is when a Praetorian chooses whether to go to Paragon as a hero, or the Rogue Isles as a villain. That doesn't mean that there isn't more Praetorian content after that, since you'll still have access to Praetoria. -
Here's the GR ionfo from that marketing survey - all this is from back in August 2008 - I put the PvP stuff in red:
Quote:And this is the other stuff, that might not be part of GR:City of Heroes and City of Villains let players create unique characters and set forth as virtuous Heroes or evil Villains in a MMO comic book inspired universe. This expansion to the City of Heores/Villains universe blurs the line between good and evil, between hero and villain. The Going Rogue system is a new game dynamic for City of Heroes and City of Villains that allows players to alter the morality of their characters, eventually opening up the opportunity to turn their Hero into a Villain or vice versa.
By visiting different contacts in the game, players can start the process of "moving their moral compass" towards being a hero or a villain. Making this choice dramatically alters the gameplay for the player, as they will now be able to bring an Archetype (class) that was previously only available to players of City of Heroes into City of Villains, and vice versa. Once a character has switched sides, they can continue down the path they have chosen, or use the opportunity to subvert their new allies through a series of espionage-style missions.
In addition to this new game altering dynamic, new neutral starting zones allow new players to select their Archetype (class) first, and then let their actions determine their hero, villain or rogue identities. At the high levels, rewards for these moral choices will be found in new PVP, PVE and Co-op zones. Accomplishments will lead to rewards that will significantly distinguish level 50 characters from one another.One such reward is the Universal Enhancement Slots. Ten Universal Enhancement Slots are available to be earned in the expansion, and each one has the potential of adding significant power to the character, essentially bringing them to a hypothetical "Level 60" once they have earned all ten slots.
For existing City of Heroes and City of Villains players who have previously reached the level cap of 50, the Expansion will take them into outer space where they can now find challenges that test their powers and skills to the max. On an alien space station that mysteriously appears over Earth, Heroes and Villains will race to unlock the secrets of the place and be the first to reap the rewards that are only available to the best of the best.
A brand new Spy Archetype (class), power sets and player costume options will lead to a massive amount of new character and gameplay options. And a significantly enhanced character creator system will now allow characters to customize the effects (looks and colors) of their super powered attacks and defenses.
And here's the stuff about AE, just to see how accurate it turned out ot be:Quote:1.) New high level Space Station Zones (PVE, PVP, & Co-op)
2.) Characters that do not wish to change sides are rewarded by becoming exemplary heroes or villains, and earning rewards not available any other way
3.) Heroes and villains who go to the other side can also act as Double-Agents
4.) Character Creator 2.0 includes Powers Customization, allowing players to customize not only the character, but also the actual look of its powers
5.) Players undertake missions that define their character's morality and steer them in a more heroic or villainous direction[/i]
6.) By switching sides (going from good to bad or bad to good), players can access content "on the other side" (heroes can experience villain zones and content, and villains can experience hero zones and content)
7.) Completely new low-level player experience/zones for new characters in which new characters do not begin a hero or villain, rather become one or the other through early gameplay
8.) New Spy Archetype, Power Sets & Costumes
9.) Universal Enhancement Slots - at level 50, these enhance powers to the character, essentially bringing them to a hypothetical "Level 60" once they have earned all ten slots
Here are some of the suggested names you had to choose from for the new content...
Rogues or Vigilantes
Rogues or Spies
Spies or Vigilantes
Moral Compass or Morality Meter
Shades of Gray or Crossing Over
Allegiance or Alliance
Quote:This is a new module for City of Heroes fictionally presented as a training exercise for Heroes and Villains, that allows players to build their own Missions and Story Arcs and share them with others in the game. Using an intuitive interface similar to the game's detailed Character Creator, players can create missions by selecting options like size and type of map/environment, mission objectives and encounter types, and difficulty level of each encounter. Additionally, players can write all mission story fiction and character dialogue.
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A lot of the AE stuff is extremely accurate, as well as the GR stuff, including the names/terms being used - but this still shouldn't be taken as a guide to exactly what we're going to be getting in GR.Quote:Players can create their own missions and they can play missions that have been created by other players. Once you have finalized and "published" your missions, they are accessible by all players across all servers. All players can rate player created missions and a Mission Browser lets players find available missions and story arcs through a variety of tabs, sorts and filters in an auction house type environment.
As missions are played and more people positively rate them, the creator gains rewards and access to unlockable content for his/her missions. Rewards will also be given to players of the missions. Players will gain rewards such as badges and even XP for playing user created missions and StoryArcs.
Here is a list of the feature from the player based mission creator...
1.) Write your own dialog for all aspects of the mission.
2.) Build Missions and Story Arcs using a Character Creator-like interface
3.) Players can build powers for some NPCs by selecting from a group of primary and secondary power pools and attaching them to the NPCs
4.)Players can build a boss (and other NPCs) to place within their mission by creating its looks in the Character Creator and assigning it the powers of an existing NPC (non playable character)
5.) Select a variety of components for the overall mission including Level Range, Map, Length, Villain Group, Pacing, Time to Complete, Goals/type of mission, etc.
6.) Customize Encounters to your preference (Place in End Room, Select Villain Group, Name Boss, Select Critter Type, Select Hostage NPC Critter, etc.)
7.) Using an in-game auction house type interface, other players can find user created StoryArcs across all shards
8.) Creators can include their own character as a contact within the mission(s)
9.) Creators don't have access to high level content (environments, NPCs, etc.) until their own characters have encountered/defeated them in the main game.
10.) Using an out-of-game web interface, other players can find user created StoryArcs across all shards
11.) Rewarding creators of the most popular content with exclusive unlockable content such as signature heroes and villains or unique maps
12.) A rating system that allows players to rate missions or flag them for inappropriate content, allowing the developer to remove bad content and potentially ban players
13.) Players can enter the mission maps to adjust placement of the NPC spawns from their pre-selected positions -
According to that old marketing survey from NCSoft, there would be a new high level PvP zone as part of the "universal enhancements/slots" stuff - and while the survey has been pretty accurate with the info on the AE and power customization, as well as other GR stuff, it's not totally certain that everything mentioned in it will be done.
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Quote:Sure - and the Galactic Empire was justified in its actions against the RebelsOriginally Posted by Catwhoorg
But isn't 'Primal Earth' the ones picking the fights with him. I mean the whole Dimensiional invasion was started from this end.
They are taking 'necessary defensive' measures against unwarranted aggression.
From a certain point of view of course
Actually, I think Praetoria will attract the "Empire was right" types, as well as those who like the 5th Column, but can't quite agree with their basic ideas
There'll uniforms, and fanatical loyalty, and ranks, and discipline, and orders, and a "higher" purpose - and it'll be all stylish and shiney - so it'll all be totally ok
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Quote:I think that's because the Praetorians came out some time before CoV - so it's possible that Tyrant was going to be the main "mine is an evil laugh" ruler of a run down and dirty fascist empire, but the devs decided to remake the idea as Recluse and the Rogue Isles - so sticking to the original feel and look of the Praetorians would have maybe made them too similar to what we got in CoV, so they've deciced to develop a new theme on another type of evil empire and its ruler.Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
It's going to be a whole lot of weird either way. We've had five years of PRAETORIA IS EVIL GOATEE LAND. Now we're getting, IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE BENEVOLENCE OF EMPEROR COLE etc. Even the art is crazy. Tyrant looks bathat loopy in his gold digs, but very suave in his kicking Armani. In the comics, he always seems to be yelling and eye-popping.
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Quote:But his power, like his empire, knows no bounds - he said so himselfOriginally Posted by DumpleBerry
If Emperor Cole was smart, he wouldn't be picking a fight with "Primal" Earth.
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Quote:Maybe her rejecting him would actually make him more evil? Like killing Recluse at the Well could have been a sort of heat of the moment thing, but then being rejected by the woman he loved might push him further to evil?Originally Posted by Johnny_Velocity
Very plausible, and fits in with the novel. I don't see Monica falling for a Marcus Cole who killed her brother, who (at that point) was not see by her as an evil guy.
And if Domi, with another father, still grew up to look a lot like her mother, Tyrant may have started a relationship with her because first, it was a way of "getting back" at her mother, and second, it was way to being with her likeness - that way, their relationship would still be very creepy, but wouldn't have the gross incest thing going on. -
Quote:Fixed for youOriginally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
This thread lacks the grace, charm and finesse of a thread about Scrappers.
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Quote:Maybe the alternative could be for these less energetic gentlemen shooters from a earlier time, so they would invite the enemies to form an orderly line in front of them, then shoot a single bullet that would go through the whole line? The animation might take longer though, as it'd have to show the shooter organizing the line, and some of the enemies arguing over what place in the line they'd stand in and so on.Originally Posted by Hero2
I don't see a way to do the attack-types using another method. i.e. the massive PBAoE. How can you do that without a spinning, crazy, frenzied animation for it?
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Quote:I guess she saves those missions to do on her own?Originally Posted by Jake_Summers
Silver Mantis doesn't send you to "Kill all Clockwork" eight times
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Quote:And by "fun" you mean the Rogues could happily camp the Hero base and hospital?Originally Posted by Rodoan
I'm curious. Do all the rogue/vigilante changes mean that the rogues will be able to cross from the Islands through Siren's Call to enter Steel Canyon? Or will they have to go through Praetoria? Using the PvP zones as crossing points could add some fun.
I'm pretty sure Rogues in PvP will be flagged as Villains, and Vigilantes as Heroes, otherwise, it'd be way to easy to grief people inside their faction safe zone.
So Longbow probably won't let Rogues in through the blue side entrances, as they'd still be view as a possible security threat, and Arachnos wouldn't let Vigilantes through the red side entrances as they'd not trust them for similar reasons. -
Quote:But as DP and DS are the first new power sets since power customization was added, I think it's more likely that they've been planned with power customization in mind.Originally Posted by Frosticus
I think it would be pretty good if every powerset had an alternate animation set where applicable. That said I think it would be unfortunate if DP came out fresh with a second set of animations while other much more deserving sets could use a make over.
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It's possible they might use that idea - it could be the "mirror" of the Malta Titan program.
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Quote:No commentOriginally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
So... Emperor Cole = Jack?
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The problem with the radio text is that it's generic, so it's applied at random to the mobs, no matter who they are.
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Quote:Before Hero Con, Positron mentioend that you'll get to keep your badges, even if you switch sides - and I haven't heard about any change to that since then.Originally Posted by Du Hast
what I want to know is how this is going to affect us badgers
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Quote:I think the answer is probably "no, they can't" - if you join Tyrant, he'll probably want proof of your abilities and loyalty before sending you to another dimension, and the same probably goes for the Resistance.Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
2) It is impossible for a Preatorian to go to either Paragon City or the Rogue Isles prior to level 20?
Both sides might send recruits to Primal Earth for different reasons - Tyrant might want scouts and spies there to prepare for his invasion, and the Resistance might want to send people there to try and get help, and to warn about Tyrant.
So I think there will be 2 or 3 low level Praetorian zones that will take you up to 20, and then you'll be able to head to Paragon City or the Rogue Isles, depending on the choices you've made during the 1-20 content. -
Quote:I think it's more likely to be along the lines of him knowing what's "right" for the world, and being totally ruthless in trying to force his vision onto the world - I kinda expect him to be more cold, and arrogant, and lacking any sort of empathy for the people he's claiming to protect - like any one who doesn't share his view is a threat, becasue his "vision" is what saved the world, so anyone not in total sync with his mindset is a threat to the whole world, and should be dealt with in whatever way best protects Praetoria and the future of his world.Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
Emperor Cole is a hard man trying to do the right thing, but may have accidentally taken things a step too far
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Isn't Blue Steel used in CoV as a plot device to rescue people you've kidnapped?
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Quote:This is why we shouldn't look too hard at the current Praetorian content for clues as to what's coming in GR.Originally Posted by Rodoan
Ok, this is what bugs me, Emperor Cole is also Tyrant, correct? There must be a huge retcon in the works, because previously Tyrant was portrayed at a level of evil that Lord Recluse would be jealous of. In the comics (which have been shown to be canonical with events like Posi's healing, Manticore & Sister Psyche's wedding, even War Witch's ghost) Tyrant rules from a junk heap that used to be their world's version of Atlas Park. He was flat out evil, up to and including torturing Statesman, and a strongly implied inappropriate relationship with his granddaughter.
I've heard that some new Praetorian zones will show that all is not bright and chipper, but Praetoria looks far too shiny to soon to be the same location depected previously. And this new Emperor Cole sounds like a good guy that made a very wrong decision, not the scum-sucking villain we've previously known as Tyrant.
I should note, I'm nitpicking. I do like what I see of the new game so far, just really surprised at the huge retcon. Seems almost like a reboot instead.
Also, as they already have one very obvious "dark lord" type leader (Recluse) ruling over a run down and dirty country (Rogue Isles), they probably wanted to add more variety by making the new version of Tyrant less openly evil, and his domain less obviously dark and horrible - which also fits in with the idea of "neutral" gameplay, shades of gray, and things being not what they seem.
If they'd gone with the ruined earth style of the current Praetorians, and Tyrant as an openly evil ruler, then Praetoria would have come accross as way too similar to the Rogue Isles, I think - and that'd make the setting less flexible for neutrals and potential Heroes. -
Quote:Actually, it isn't PvE only here - it's for CoH general discussion - and that does include PvPOriginally Posted by Perfect_Pain
Wow. This can't possibly be in the right section :\
Welcome to the PvE section of this forum.
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Quote:And GR has new content and new graphics - things are looking very goodOriginally Posted by Bright Shadow
In most video games, Graphics is one of the most, if not THE most essential component. Huge multi-million-dollar companies like nVidia and ATI thrive on that single aspect of games.
In the end, Graphics is what draws crowds, and it's what defines your experience in a video game.
You cannot even begin to lecture people that "content is more important than graphics".
Sure, content is important too. But not more than graphics. It's equal.
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Quote:Then come back in 6 monthsOriginally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Sorry, I get sick of speculation after a while.
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Quote:And Imperious bald?Originally Posted by BlueBattler
You know, ideally, they should make Statesman a blond, Tyrant a redhead, and Reichsman a brunette...
Just seems to fit if you ask me...
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Quote:A hook might not fit in with the tech feel of the place - but a cybernetic claw would be acceptable.Originally Posted by Failsight
If that police officer also has a peg leg and a hook arm, I'm so bringing my Ninja MM to Praetoria first.