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Quote:Nothing - it's just the usual incoherent rageBut... SAM is a branch of the FBSA, like GIFT or MAGI. What's wrong with it?

I wonder if Tyrant's lava lair, which is connected to the Well of the Furies, can be accessed from the basement of his tower via some kind of portal? Like that could be where he runs to after we trash the Magisterium and storm his tower - he could fall back there and give himself over completely to the Well, and become a massively powerful final boss for a Trial.Quote:I knew from the second I got to Neutropolis that Lambda would be a raid/Trial location. The fact that it has unique geometry, is set up perfectly for a raid kind of event with the enclosed court yard and gun emplacements and is a logical target.
I predicted the Keyes reactors would be next for the same reasons and time showed I guessed right. Hamidon surprised me because I didn't think they'd had anything planned for the Underground.
Extrapolating from this:
I suspect the TPN news building will be a future site of a Trial (likely shutting down it down because it became a propaganda machine or defending it so an Anti-Cole broadcast can get out). That seems to me like something Chimera could be involved with.
The Magisterium, is another obvious location. Cole's tower and the Clockwork facility are nearby, as are the Ministry of Information, the Ministry of Technology, the Civic Center, and Praetoria Police Headquarters. If toppling Cole's and the Praetors' statues isn't an objective, it should be. Dominatrix would be a logical boss.
I think it'd be rather fun to have the final showdown with Tyrant in the same place as our original fight with him
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Quote:You do realize that this has been planned since before GR came out, right?all the text says to me is, this is the best they came up with
It's not some last minute thing they've decide to add - the Lambda Sector fortress, just like the BAF annd Anti-Matter's reactors were built into the actual zones at the same time as Praetoria City was being designed - they haven't just suddenly added them, or removed older blocks and replaced them, like with Wentworths or the AE buildings - they were made into part of the fabric of the city before GR even went into closed beta, because GR and the Incarnate sytem have always been linked together and planned together. -
This is from the Lambda Sector overview:
Quote:Where the Behavioral Adjustment Facility is a target of opportunity for the Incarnates arrayed against Emperor Cole, Lambda Sector is a target of necessity. Located in the heart of Neutropolis, this large military installation is a symbol of Emperor Cole's might to all of Praetoria and the center for military research and development.
It is within Lambda Sector that weapons research continues day and night, and where the genetically engineered supersoldiers of the Olympian Guard are brought online from their first moments as an awakened clone. It is here that monstrous experiments are conducted free from prying eyes and where the most powerful materiel in Emperor Cole’s arsenal finds its origins.
Some have theorized that its labs and storage facilities extend so deep into the earth that it would take weeks to catalogue all of them. No one outside of Emperor Cole’s inner circle can be sure, however, because no one who has ever attempted an investigation of the facility has ever been seen again… a trend the Incarnates intend to break.
Taken all together, the case for Lambda Sector as a prime military target could not be clearer. The Incarnates must take out Lambda Sector to have the best chance for victory over Emperor Cole. The neutralization of Lambda Sector will give the Incarnates a freer hand to operate in Praetoria, for without that facility, Emperor Cole's military power would be crippled. -
Welcome to the game and the forums, Jaxon B
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Quote:The trials seem to be being themed around various aspects of the dictatorship that we have to destroy to smash the whole system - for example, the BAF is centered around brainwashing/mindcontrol, Lambda is the IDF/invasion army, Anti-matetr's reactors might have a clockwork theme to them, as both he and Neuron have their own Clockwork, and the Praetorian Hamidon is one of the big things that got Tyrant to where he is today - and Mother Mayhem's asylum would be focused on the Seers and their enslavement.Okay, but Lambda is not a small meaningless facility. it's the backbone of the Praetorian Military Machine.
So if you look at the pillars of the dictatorship - Enriche/brainwashing, the IDF/military power, the Clockwork, the Seer network and the threat of the Hamidon/Tyrant's claim to be the only one able to stop it, then it does look like the Trials are being designed around them.
The BAF Trial is a blow against Tyrant's brainwashing/propaganda, Lambda Sector is a blow against Tyrant's military might, the Anti-Matter reactor is a potential blow against the Clockwork/mechanized forces of Tyrant, and potential Mother Mayhem Trial is a blow against Tyrant's thought police and system of slavery, and the Hamidon Trial is a blow against Tyrant's claims to be the one and only way of stopping the Devouring Earth.
All the various forces of oppression that were introduced in GR become the focus of the Incarnate Trials for us to liberate Praetoria - it has a nice flow to it - discover the evil of the dictatorship 1-20, escape the evil of the dictatroship 20-50, return to destroy the evil of the dictatorship 50+.
Also, as the PPD/secet police are also one of the instriuments of oppression used by Tyrant, and as we haven't fought Chimera yet, there could be a Trial themed around crippling them too.
Infernal, Diabolique, and possibly Black Swan could be invovled in a Trial about the mystery of where all the magic went in Praetoria, especially if it's reveled that Tyrant has suppressed it in some way. -
Quote:And if you want to know who might have taken the name first, check out the chest symbol of the other new hero arrving at the endNoticed another easter egg/game reference. On page 3, Flash-Man says that he wanted to call himself Flashman but the name was taken. I bet at least a few of you have had something like that happen in the game.
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There are going to be way more than 4
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There are a lot more Trials coming
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More loyalist content would still run into the same deadend as the current loyalist sutff - you'll have to switch sides to do the Incarnate content.
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Quote:One Trial per Issue would mean they'd be adding other stuff too - Issue 20 is massive because of the new Trial system - a huge amount of the current testing is focused just on getting it right - but once it's been added to the game, adding further Trials becomes easier.This actually sounds plausible, but let's do the math here. 4 more Praetorian Trials, with 1 per issue... assuming that Paragon Studios keep to their usual schedule for updates we're looking at what... mid-2012 to bring this to a conclusion?
That's two years of Praetoria, from Going Rogue to the finale. I don't see how anyone wouldn't be sick of fighting Praetorians by that time.
Once it's up and running, creating new Trails won't need the same amount of time and resources that are being used on I20, which should free up more time and resources for non-Trial content.
EDIT: Also, adding a new Trial against Praetorians in an Issue doesn't mean that the Issue has to be focused on Praetoria - the Praetorian war and the cosmic upheaval caused by Tyrant and the Well can be in the background, and used as a reason for other stuff to get some attention - there are lots of known and unknown groups who could try and take advantage of the situation. -
It's simply one of the many benefits of Enrcihe, citizen - it's shows you every thing from the Praetorian angle.
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The devs have said that they'd like to release a Trial per Issue, so it looks like I21 will have the Anti-Matter Trail in it, and I22 will have the Hamidon Trial in it - and we've already seen David Nakayama's concept art from mother Mayehm's asylum, which would need to be another Trial, as she's only appeared in the cutscene for the BAF so far.
So far, Marauder, Siege and Nightstar are the only Paretorian AVs we've fought, so there are a lot more left to do, not counting Anti-Matter in his Trial.
Neuron might show up to muscle in on Anti-Matter's action in that Trial, or the devs might decide to leave the TMTF as his only appearance in the Incarnate content, along with Bobcat, and have Battle Maiden only appear in the Apex TF.
Shadowhunter is dead, but we still haven't fought Black Swan, Chimera, Diabolique, Dominatirx, Infernal, Malaise, Mother Mayhem or Tyrant yet - and if they pair them off, we could fight Mother Mayhem and Malaise at her Asylum, Infernal and Dibolique at some magic-themed Praetorian location, Black Swan on Shadow Earth, Chimera in some security facility of some type, and Tyrant and Dominatrix, along with a legion of the Olympian Guard in a "final" Trial.
Another possibility is that the final Tyrant Trial could involve the entire Praetorian Guard in a last stand, along with every type of Praetorian enemy we've ever faced - sort of like an STF/LRSF on steroids
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Quote:The only dev response so far to the handful of "we h8 pr3t0ri4z" types has been to announce that the next 2 Trials are against Anti-Matter and the Preetorian Hamidon - and these are the same devs who pulled a major feature from GR to redesign it to match player feedback - so it's not that they don't lsitenIs this the new go-to to avoid needing a decent argument?
Because, judging from this thread, the "small vocal minority on the forums" with criticisms about Praetoria isn't much different than the "small vocal minority on the forums" defending it. Funny how the pro- group is so many times larger and yet only a handful have managed to find their voice.
Also, after those 2 Trials, there is a lot more Praetorian content to come
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Quote:One of the next Incarnate Trials they're working on is an attack on Anti-Matter's reactors on his power station island, so I think we'll see some more tantrums from him during that raidAnti-Matter seems to be the one who has the least issues, but, like Neuron, shows the traits of a prepubescent boy. And Anti Matter is still building Cole his invasion force.

He acts pretty mean on the Lambda Sector Trial
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Quote:Which they areWell yeah, the city's premier superteam should be held to some pretty high standards. That's why they're the premier superteam. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be flawed, or human, but it does mean they should be portrayed as clearly good people.

Praetorians can arrive at similar destinations to their Primal Earth versions, but via different paths.Quote:Do we ever really find out how any of them turned evil, besides Tyrant? Because it seems to me that most of the "they're evil now" explanations are ham-handed cludges to create an alternate universe where everyone is evil. How does Steven Berry, accountant become Steven Berry, mad scientist? Have we ever seen any indication that Positron is the least bit interested in Ms Liberty, or has ever behaved irrationally over a girl? Siege and Bobcat should never have existed since there is no Crey in Praetoria. Their Infernal is from....where exactly? All Praetorian Infernal does is make the CoH cosmology even more snarled. How did Cole recruit Battlemaiden from her dimension? It's implied that Praetorians stole dimensional travel from us. How did Vanessa find a mask in Italy in a world overrun by the DE? Belladonna Vetrano would be in her 40s by now but she doesn't look a day over 25. There's no Blue Steel to beat up Metronome and force him into a robotic body. And on and on. -
Quote:I like themThese signature heroes should have been people we could admire and respect, someone for new heroes to look up to and for veteran heroes to be proud to call peers.

The only thing significant about these people is that they're such a tiny minority - which makes them insignificant
