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I think most of us have come to the conclussion that we dont want a better power, we just want a power that we can use more often even if it gives us less benefit then on the occasions when MoG is great. Most of us understand by now that the Devs think that Regen is balanced and as such will never give us a stronger version of MoG or a stronger power to replace it. All I want is a small buff that I can use often, without fear of certain situations.

I'm all for a 30 second buff that slightly increases our regen, recovery and damage. I dont need a defensive power and I dont need an Uber tier 9, all I want is a more usable weaker power, like a build-up power for my secondary like I described above.

Of course I dont even think the Devs notice anymore. They treat us like the child that keeps crying for the cookies, when you know damn well you didnt eat all your dinner. Go to your room!

Be nice to hear _Castle_ weigh in on this subject, but I know he's busy.

My hands hurt from beating that dead horse, MoG. I'm going to rest here for awhile with my Regen brothers and sisters and dream about Toggle IH.

Hmmmm! Toggle IH is like Thin Mints Girl Scouts cookies, I will always want them no matter how long its been since I had one last.?

Fight! Fight! I just had a flashback to the smelly cafeteria in my High school and I blame you both and the "Americans"

Dont forget DM has that extra heal to help with the inc damage.

I got MoG again on my Spines/Regen. Its still the same power that I remeber, it will get me killed for just using it in the wrong situations, which I dont do. When it does work is the same situations where DP+IH works great.

I enjoy it a little more now becuase I know when I use it its a crap shoot on my survival. I was using it on Wolves, Freaks, Shadow Monkey things, Malta and Nems with Vengance. The last 2 where the times when I died or was close to dying. But I was never in trouble when I didnt use it. I have yet to be in a battle where I said "Oh crap! Time to use MoG" its more like "Hey guys, watch me be a goof and use MoG when I dont need to".

MoG is like climbing a mountain. I dont need to and the act may get me killed, but I get some wierd thrill out of trying it anyways. I can see why some people like it, I just cant see how some people think they're better off or get themselves to a point where they need to click it because they have run out of other options.

This is coming from a long time MoG hater, I will continue to use MoG because I get a wierd thrill out of it but I still believe its a bad power that will get you killed more often then just using the other tools you have, Recon + DP +IH + Inspirations + Aidself(EG bad teachings). I understand both sides a little better now but I still wish they would change it to some power that I can use more often for a smaller benefit.

I did 3 police band missions this morning and found a possible problem. The first critter I arrest in the mission gives NO exp. These were organge minions. The proceeding arrest gave the correct exp.

I did 2 CoT and one Carnie police band missions, all of them Defeat so and so. I will try and do some better testing so I can give more information, but as of now first critter in all 3 missions gave NO exp.

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All of these, very much including the name slip, invariably leads one to conclude that there's a certain level, "Meh, [censored] 'em." attitude going on. [/rant]

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Not at all true. If that were my attitude, I wouldn't even be trying to get some changes through. I can understand why you think that would be the case, though.

In an upcoming patch, here are a few things you'll see:
Increased EDIT:Maximum ranges for attacks like Blaze.
Some improvements for */Fire (No, no powers were switched out. No Fiery Embrace, I'm afraid. )
Some improvements for Fire/*
A very minor improvement for Gadgets...I mean, Devices! (Yeah, it was a dumb mistake -- typing in haste and all of that.)

I have some ideas for other changes/improvements, but there is no ETA on when or if I'll get them in.

Edit: Tyed minimum when I meant Maximum. One day, I'll learn to proofread.

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You're gonna make Turret TP-able again?.....duh duh duuuuuuhhhhh



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Maybe they will give Auto Turret movement abillity, like voltaic sentry. Give it tank treads or make it a hovercraft.

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Kin is an extremely good set as-is, throughout its career. It needs no changes. Do not draw the developer eye to Kin.

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QFE odds are if the Devs actually take notice of posts like this and take a look at Kin, its gonna get nerfed.

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I've looked at Kinetics a lot. There are no plans to change it at this time.

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Read my lips "No New Nerfs!" to kenetics.

Sorry sorry

Does walmart online only have 10 boxes at a time? They're out of stock again. When can I go too Best Buy and get this? Might as well wait till I can buy it at Ncsoft and save some money and hassle.

You think as huge as a SUPER Walmart is, that they would be able to keep a few on the self. The website being out make no sense to me, How many boxes could have been ordered? 170k and thats if every active account got one. Heck even if you dont have them in-stock, you can give me the option to put an orer in. That way I feel like some day I may just get it in the mail, like a Christmas gift since that about the time I will get it.

Another thing! Stop having the old people hound me with carts and try to greet me. I dont like talking to random old people who will tell me how they "walked up hill both ways too school" and had to pee in a chamber pot.

Sorry! to all of you who have had to pee in a chamber pot or walk up hill both ways, I just wanted to get the game today and it wasnt in either Walmarts or online.

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You're the exclusive provider of software and you run out already? WalMart! How I hate thee: You're isle full of fat people in carts and screaming kids, country folk walking aimlessly and large women in spandex. Now I must hate you for not keeping a game in-stock long enough to buy it from your store or order it online.

Walmart, go back to underpaying your employees and leave the selling of games to people that care.

/rant off

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MoG is a fantastic power, even the way it is now. Despite limitations as described above, if you have any trouble with PvE as a regen then the problem is with you and your tactics, not the powerset.

Epistropheus 50 DM/Regen

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Prove it. Give me any situation, you would use MoG in and I'll show you a way to do it safer. Because in fact, if you're using MoG to save yourself it's probably your tactics that are deficient.

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"prove it" has been one of your most common comebacks to people who like MoG, and I know that you've been looking for instruction in how to use MoG but you've either not listened or not learned.

Still, I'm not going to teach you yet again because I believe you don't want to hear from mog sympathizers.

Also, the list you had of villain groups that will affect MoG also affect other AT's that don't have MoG available to them. No one really gets psi protection. And lol NO ONE can resist Hami damage so seeing it on your list makes me believe you are really reaching for negative things about MoG. And all because you haven't learned how to deal with it to your advantage. It will always be sour grapes to you.

But, I will give you credit for finally omitting the false claim that MoG goes against the regen set.

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The problem is that not only do they affect you like they do everyone else, some of those will do proportionaly more damage now that your health has been dropped to 25%. Whith the psi whole in both resist and defense, any hit will amount to 400% more then it did before you activated mog.

The MoG threads, they call to me. Come Gangrel and post your wierdness.

I saw 2 good ideas: Swap FoN and Mog or cut the duration down to something lower, where I wont feel trapped by the power.

heres mine Toggle MoG with a 240 sec recharge or 480 sec if you like.

"Hmmm Toggle IH". I thought I broke LOS on that Dev, but he wont stop chasing me with that damn nerf bat. "Hmmm ED" Must break arrgo, must find new sacrafice for nerf bat. "Hmmm AS" Thats right devs you dont see me anymore 'waves hand' "these are not the regens you are looking for"

I believe instead off nerfing the power to keep people from farming a glowie mission they should make it impossible to farm it the way it is suggested in this thread. If you set a glowie mission and you quit or are D/C from that mission, but the rest of the team completes it in attempt to farm it or just because they didnt think to wait for you. Just mark the mission as complete when the holder logs back in and give him the mission bonus. This way the mission can not be farmed and it still leave open the option to do mission using stealth instead of smashing your way through.

I hate that powers are being changed to stop the small % of people that want to PL and farm, instead of finding ways to stop it from happening that only affect those that are doing it. I liked the Devs solution to stop people from farming the Dreck mission by making it timed, instead of trying to nerf powers to prevent it from happening.

I have one stealth alt and I have yet to stealth a mission, because I like to fight my way through with my teammates and rack up the expierence from the arrests. But I also like when their is a stealth option for those long SF/TF and if down the road I want to stealth a mission when I'm solo and I just want to hurry through it, I wont have that option

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This is bait and switch how?

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Its a bait and switch because most people didnt see this as a problem to begin with and as such needed no solution. Now instead of just leaving it alone, we are happy it just not being nerfed like it was planned.

They can say they listen to the playerbase because it was suggested by a few that suppression be used instead of no clicky, but most people said just leave it alone.

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Just because most people didn't see it as a problem, doesn't mean that there isn't/wasn't one.

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You asked how its a bait and switch and I just explained it.

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I wasn't the one who asked the question. I was only responding to your comment that "most people said leave it alone." That's it.

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Then I apologize for the first part of my statement then. I do believe that the Devs sometimes need to take the attitude that if its not broke dont fix it. Improve Yes!

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This is bait and switch how?

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Its a bait and switch because most people didnt see this as a problem to begin with and as such needed no solution. Now instead of just leaving it alone, we are happy it just not being nerfed like it was planned.

They can say they listen to the playerbase because it was suggested by a few that suppression be used instead of no clicky, but most people said just leave it alone.

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Just because most people didn't see it as a problem, doesn't mean that there isn't/wasn't one.

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You asked how its a bait and switch and I just explained it. It being a problem in the playerbases eyes, I would beg to say that from reading these forums its was not. The Devs might have thought it was a problem and I didnt dispute that, but I will debate that this affected very few people during their gameplay and was benfit to only those that chose to do it and in no way hurt anyone.

If someone wants to stealth all thier glowie missions and not fight through, I say more power to you. You found a different way to sovle the same problem and in the process got less experience, but you enjoyed yourself and hurt no one else.

I just dont see why this needs to be done in any fashion. You couldnt do all your missions in this manner and you couldn't level all that quickly using this tatic, it just shaved time off of certain mission and TF and SF.

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Oh okay, so it's just the usual bait-and-switch that comes like clockwork. Suppression still brings in a huge host of QOL problems and is as bafflingly asinine as the previous idea. They may as well just change the power name to "kinda sneaky...sometimes".



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No bait and switch at all. His posting is quite clear that the current version on test is being pulled so they can recode it to suppression.

Further Statesman comments that he liked the idea of supression that other players proposed and they would be using that. So you have the players, us making good and solid arguements about some specific problems. Not the problems your complaining about but other problems. And a suggestion by players of an alternative mechanic to do it.

Statesman read the two suggestions and aggreed that the fix as implimented on test could be abused to harrass people. So they would pull it, further he agreed that supression was a better fix then simply requireing it to be turned off and that they would recode it for that.

This is bait and switch how?

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Its a bait and switch because most people didnt see this as a problem to begin with and as such needed no solution. Now instead of just leaving it alone, we are happy it just not being nerfed like it was planned.

They can say they listen to the playerbase because it was suggested by a few that suppression be used instead of no clicky, but most people said just leave it alone.

Its like me taking $10 from you, I let you stew over it for awhile, I give you back $5 and say here now that not as bad, you're happy just to have $5 instead of being pissed you dont have it all back. Ok! that was a bad analogy, my haed hurts.

If this was their vision of Regeners, why did they tease me with greatness. They turned my IH into a damn click, that has such a long recharge that I tend to forget that I have it. I played regens so I didnt have to micromanage my clicks Then ED comes along and kicks me in my junk. How can we as Regeners even begin to deversify? I dont need end/redux in my regen pool, I'm a damn Regener I have end to sell.

I have only played a few hours on COH, since COV came out. I'm at lvl 36 with my Ninja/FF MM and I can feel the game slowing down to a crawl. I wonder if the Devs know that people leave because they play through the content and get bored, but they also leave because the game is to slow and they dont like the grind. I didnt play other MMO because of the grind and now thats starting to happen here.

Please give me back my IH toggle and let me get back to killing at a mad pace. I love the speed of COH pre I5/ED, now the game just crawls.

Fix the damn map server issues while you're giving me back my IH toggle.

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Seems to me that the DEV's idea of "diversification" is that everybody will 3-slot damage, 2-slot end, and 1-slot attack rate on their damage powers. Sounds real diverse to me.....

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Why? I much prefer 3-slot damage, 1-slot accuracy, 2-slot attack rate.

Or maybe 3-slot accuracy, 3-slot damage rate for assassin's strike. Or maybe 2-slot damage, 1-slot accuracy, 3-slot range for sniper powers.

Seems like there's a lot of potential diversity.

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They didnt add that diversity, it was always there. What they did is made certain ways undesirable to slot and in my book thats less devirse.
Nothing kept you from slotting the way you gave examples for, before ED came out. Please dont make it sound like we got something out of ED, that we didnt already have.