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Quote:I'm not home at the moment, but I have a build worked up with soft-capped def, over 95% DDR, and enough recharge to run the MG>Smite>SL>Smite chain (which is at minimum 135% global rehcarge). I am still tweaking it, as the build has the Hecatomb set in MG to reach the needed recharge and I prefer it in Smite for DPS purposes. I'll see if I can get it posted later today.Originally Posted by jonnycash
Here's another build ive done ddr is at 68.4% and recharge is 135%, which isnt bad but aoe def is not soft capped only 44.1%, i think im going to have to get the glad unique to achieve the sort of recharge i want. -
Quote:Grant Cover only gives Defense to other players, but it gives you DDR. If you're not looking for high DDR, then Grant Cover becomes a power to skip.Originally Posted by jonnycash
Thanks for reply gaidin, don't mind losing a travel if it ups my recharge but 1 question, grant cover is a team only toggle and I thought it's DDR didn't help you??. Thanks in advance johnny
I generally build to have as much survivability as possible without compromising specific build goals that people set forth. For example, my build goals for my previously posted build were soft-capped positional defense, 95% DDR, SD slotted with no damage enhancement, and the ability to run the MG>Smite>SL>Smite chain with at least the Hecatomb proc in Smite.
For your build, it's important for power choices to know if you plan on fighting mobs that will de-buff defense a lot, or if Grant Cover is optional. The reason it's so important is that since we're not including the PVP +Def IO in your build, it becomes harder to soft-cap Defense and keep DDR at 95% while maintaining high recharge values and the ability to run the optimal DM attack chain. -
Quote:Well, there are a few issues I would have with this build; primarily that SD won't be hitting frequently enough in difficult content. It has only 65.5% chance to hit a +4 minion as GSFC offers no Acc enhancement and global Acc is not high enough to compensate for this. Secondly, SL isn't slotted primarily for damage. It is one of your key attacks and should be slotted for damage. Thirdly, and this may be in part why you're asking for more recharge, you can't run the MG>Smite>SL>Smite attack chain with the current slotting.Originally Posted by jonnycash
Hi all, here's the build il be running shortly (lvl 43 at the mo), any chance you guys can take a look and get more recharge out of it?, i cant afford pvp ios, but the rest i can. thanks in advance Johnny
I will look it over in Mids and see what I can come up with. How attached are you to having a travel power (ie Super Jump)? With the BotZ nerf upcoming, the slots and power choice could be used otherwise to better effect in most instances I've found.
Also, are you going to solo AVs/fight Def de-buffing enemies alot? If so, I'll look into trying to get Grant Cover into the build to up DDR and can slot a LotG: +Recharge into it. -
Quote:Looking at the chains info I have, you should have a gap before GFS after the first iteration. For that chain, you need:Originally Posted by Hejtmane
Incinerate >Cremate>GFS>FS I seem to be able to cycle with no gaps
Inc will need to recharge in 5.808 so that will be 72%
GFS will need to recharge in 5.148 sso that will be 133%
Cremate will need to recharge in 5.94% so that will be 24%
FS will need to recharge in 6.072 and that will be 0%
The next best chain is Incin>GFS>Cremate and that needs a lot more recharge than your build at 237% in GFS and does ~190 DPS.
The other option is the one Werner likes, Incin>Scorch>Cremate>Scorch, which is ~170 DPS compared to your chain which runs ~180 DPS. It's more end-friendly, and if you stick a Hecatomb proc into Scorch, closes the DPS gap even further and becomes a rather viable chain. -
Quote:Because players can't realistically use it, and it's been made clear that NPCs are allowed to cheat.Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
Makes me wonder though, if the devs think zephyr is overpowered, how is stacking vengeance not overpowered?
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Quote:Bwahahaha! I can't help it. The no Damage enhanced SD is just too tempting for me. The build would have been easier without that goal, but I think it'll make Pylon/AV soloing that much easier.Originally Posted by Santorican
O Gaidin why must you further my builditis!
Good suggestions. Since I am not good at calculating end sustainability, I always err on the side of more end. Instead of throwing the slot from Conserve Power into Health, I put it into Combat Jumping as a LotG: Def, since this will give a boost to regen and buffer the softcapped positionals a tad more, which I always like. So, 20.8 HP/sec(250% regen) and +0.28 Positional Defenses vs. 22.2 HP/sec(268% regen).Quote:Originally Posted by Santorican
I moved a slot from conserve power to health to give you more recharge because you have a lot of recovery and I'm fairly certain your build would be sustainable, and I slotted a Performance Shifter: End/Acc into PP to give you alittle more +hp and you only lose .08end/s
My only regret is not being able to fit in Super Speed, as I like the utility of being able to Stealth missions. Ninja Run + CJ + Hurdle should be good enough for travel purposes otherwise. -
Quote:OK, so I looked at your build and the recharge is impressive considering the nerf. I worked this up after much deliberation. It has just enough recharge to run the MG>Smite>SL>Smite chain, has the Hecatomb and Cloud Senses damage procs both in Smite, and Soul Drain is slotted for only Acc and Recharge, so fodder remains alive. With both procs in Smite, it's DPS should be significantly higher than your build.Originally Posted by Santorican
This is what I have so far 10% away from the recharge of my last build about 30% down on regeneration
and a few points down on recovery !!!!
It is softcapped to all positions and has 95%+ DDR (AD slightly less than double-stacked). Hasten is down for 13.7 seconds as opposed to yours being down for 7.1 seconds, but to try for your recharge would sacrifice SD being slotted only for Acc and Recharge, which is something I'd like to try. SD is down for 6.1 seconds compared to yours at 4.8 seconds, which I consider negligible. To combat this difference, the Accuracy on my attacks are a bit higher. I couldn't reach 95% Acc vs. +4 mobs in all attacks without SD without losing either Def or global recharge, which was not an option.
Regen is not what I would have liked, but with SL, it should suffice. End is sustainable on my build, which I am not sure about on yours since you don't have Conserve Power.
Let me know what you think fellow forumites.
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Quote:Since he called the planner itself dumb, I think he may dislike the actual program or is indeed on a Mac.Originally Posted by Umbral
That link has worked fine for absolutely everyone else (including me). Unless you're running on a Mac, it should work perfectly fine.
OP, I did a quick search and could not locate an updated planner. Mids is really the only one out there that keeps current because it is so good at what it does. -
Here's a build with Fireball. It has better end management, but still not sustainable. It also has softcap Def to all three positions, as well as much better DDR since AD is almost double-stacked and slotted with Membranes. In answer to a prior question, slotting HOs in AD enhances it's DDR value. The build also has a great deal more Accuracy in all attacks. I'll look into a variant using PP.
edit: Also, it has no purples or PVP IOs.
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Quote:I see you're One who is not afraid to tempt the Fates. Good luck with that.Originally Posted by dragonslay
i am not afraid. what are your opinions on 'i would rather die free than live in chains' ???
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Quote:The fact that you make this point infers /SR's advantage. For the majority of the player base, /SR is the best option for AV soloing due to it's ease of soft-capping and reaching 95% DDR. Expense plays a huge part in the general populace, I know this because I am the only one in my SG and friends that has enough influence to fully IO out a toon and supply my SG-mates with influence to boot.Originally Posted by Werner
I WANT DM/SR to have SOMETHING that it can claim to be better at when IO'd to the gills. [/i].
Even without any nerfs to /Shields or buffs to /SR, there is a distinct point that makes each quite viable and stand alone as perfectly balanced sets. That balancing point lies directly on expense vs. top performance. If you want a toon that can solo AVs, /SR is the top choice for a low-expense toon and /Shields for the high-expense build. -
Quote:If you're soloing AVs, which while not the fastest, MA/SR is fully capable of doing so, you'll need AoE Def capped for some AVs. This is really the biggest benefit, but there are plenty of mobs that use AoE attacks.Originally Posted by Postagulous
Re: No AoE def
Tell me who, which enemy, I should fear not having AoE def? Now, that said, in my rush I decided to leave it out and then took lots of crap out of the pools. I'd definitely take it, but capping AoE wouldn't be my first priority. I'm not going to edit my previous post though, as it's been commented on.
Re: Stealth IO
You get the Stealth IO and run the Stealth power at the same time. You can also get the Stealth power and run SS with it, but I run into walls. Whatever you put it in, when activated, will make you and your costume clear for 2 min after you turn it off. So, bear that in mind if you think you'll hate having your costume messed up. SS+Stealth will let you be fashionable as soon as the Stealth is turned off.
As far as the Stealth IO, why waste a power pick on Stealth, whose +Def gets reduced when you attack? (and let's be honest, we're Scrappers...that's what we do.) Get Super Speed and a Stealth IO and you're golden. I usually place the Stealth IO in Sprint as that frees up a slot, which I usually use to assist slotting BotZ in SS. -
Quote:Ahaha. Lord, I hope not. Everyone will be making a pony-tailed, pink gi-wearing toon.Originally Posted by Umbral
So, if it's supposed to be a melee set, it's not so much Ken and Ryu, but Dan?
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Quote:Yeah, slightly off. Quoted from BETA Patch Notes:Originally Posted by Ribic
just a little nitpick here, but I believe the AoE portion is 1.88% (Increased AoE Fire Cold 3)
Quote:Blessing of the Zephyr:
Decreased the 2 piece set bonus from this set from +3.125% Ranged Defense, +1.563% Energy and Negative Energy Defense to +1.25% Ranged Defense, +.625% Energy and Negative Energy Defense.
Decreased the 3 piece set bonus from this set from +3.125% AoE Defense, +1.563% Fire and Cold Defense to +1.875% AoE Defense and +.938% Fire and Cold Defense. -
What do you want out of your build? By looking at it, no purples or PVP IOs, correct? Also, would you be willing to invest in up to 3 HOs for in Active Defense? Also, I know you find NR + Swift + Hurdle sufficient for travel, however, travel powers can slot BotZ sets which make reaching softcap much easier and free up slots for the rest of the build. This would alo allow you to take Health for improved regen. Would you be opposed to losing, say, Swift for a travel power?
Do you wish to be able to solo AVs/pylons? If so, sustainable End usage will come into play, as well as shooting for an optimal ST attack chain. I'll work up a build that will include a lot of suppositions and await your response.
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Quote:That depends. In the build I posted, there is no DC, so Conserve Power having that second slot allows it to be up over half the time, which I thought, admittedly without actual calculation, would be necessary for end sustainability... let me go over some numbers, because I think I was wrong...Originally Posted by MunkiLord
With my initial look, the only thing I was wondering about is if there is possibly a better place to use the second slot in Conserve Power. My live build uses Dark Consumption, so I dont need CP up often(if at all really). I'm not sure what end usage would be like on a long fight(AV or pylon for example).
But at the same time I didn't really look around to see if that slot could be used elsewhere. If I have time I'm gonna check it out later. I like the builds we're making and may change my build to reflect that. If I do that I wouldn't lose any recharge and I would have two extra purple sets all of a sudden I could do whatever with.
Going by BillZ's 'The Results Are in...", the attack chain uses 4 EPS if all attacks have 33% end reduction. Smite has double that at 68.9%, MG has 38.09%, and SL has zero. I'm not proficient at calculating such values, but with the toggles costing .97 EPS, the build does look like it might be sustainable with Conserve Power only having a single slot, even without DC, as it would have 45% uptime compared with 51% with 2 slots.
Going by this, I've worked up a different variation that I actually like a lot better. It has 10% less regen, however, it has .05 less EPS usage, and here's the big draw - Soul Drain is now slotted for only Acc and Recharge. Your SD fodder will stick around much longer, and I did this without losing any other stats from my prior build. I am going to be saving this build for future use.
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/WP was an easy ride from 1-48, where my BS/WP is sitting while I'm leveling my DM/Shielder. It's layered mitigation plus and end management power make it exceptionally easy to like. Prior to getting boosted +Def from IOs, it can be overwhelmed in certain situations, but the scaling +regen in RttC works extremely well for spawn jumping, and allows you to focus on EBs/Bosses/Lts while keeping survivability high through leaving the minions alive. This will be even more survivable since you'll be using DA. Also, it's a fire and forget set without a self-heal like /SR, so using /WP shouldn't affect your playstyle much.
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Quote:Thanks. I'm in the hospital with my dad and working on builds is a good way to keep my mind occupied... of course, when you're doing it on 2-3 hours sleep, it may not always be optimal.Originally Posted by MunkiLord
Gaidin, very nice changes. I like that a lot.
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Quote:I enjoyed your response and concur. Concept is integral to my enjoyment of playing a character and getting it to 50. I always look at min/maxxing after I come up with a concept that will keep my interest. If I don't like the character and have an interesting roleplay concept, it just doesn't ever get to 50.Originally Posted by FireWyvern
This time of the week again? Did Mid's kill your dog when you were younger?
Min/Maxing and having a concept is far from exclusive. I've seen plenty of people find a concept then min/max with said concept. Choosing IO sets over generic SOs won't change anything about your "concept" or Roleplay.
Mids lying? Not really (unless there's a bug, but it happened in-game too). You can get wrong impression if you don't know how to use it, but for most part, Mids tell you exactly what you the numbers will be. Add in your experience, and you can compare those numbers to those you already played.
As for you doing better with SOs then most people using Mids? Very doubtful. And you'll never even come close to what the best one who use Mid's can do.
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Quote:I never said it was "to clicky?". When compared to other secondaries, it is extremely clicky. If you like that aspect, then that's all that matters. Hope you have fun with your new toon.Originally Posted by nightookami
to clicky? i love clicking its the whole point of the game so Kat regen is what im running i didnt want to because my stalker has it while i loved it i thought it would play to much the same but i think its should be more aggro so thanks
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OK, I finally had time to work up a build. Many similarities to others posted, however, it has much better end management - you'll be sustainable. Got Cloud Senses damage proc into both Smite and MG, which should increase DPS. It's able to run the MG>Smite>SL>Smite chain. Slightly higher resists to all damage.
It has 95% or more Accuracy to every attack vs. +4 mobs without SD, which I think is important for the brief time SD is down and eliminates the situational need for the end hog Focused Accuracy. Also, same global recharge as Munkilord's build, so recharge on SD is maintained.
It has slightly less HP(14) and regen(2.7/sec) than Munkilord's build, but you'll hardly notice the difference.
Finally, I altered the slotting on SL a bit. I think it hitting reliably, even when SD is down is worth the minor decrease in dpa, and it does recharge slightly faster than other variants in the thread.
I hope you find this useful.
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Quote:DA is excellent...but takes time to mature. It's early levels can be rough, especially on endurance depending on what powers you take. I recommend Kat/WP. It's solid out of the box, does excellent DPS, has excellent survivability early, an end management power, and can be built to handle AVs and Pylons if that is your cup of tea. It's a fire and forget set, so you turn on toggles and let them help you survive and concentrate on the killing. I think this would suit what you are seeking the best, not that it is the only fun combination.Originally Posted by nightookami
so im want to do something with Kat seems to be one of the better looking ones hows is DA for a 2nd?
Kat/Regen is also excellent, but it is extremely clicky, especially when compared to /WP being fire and forget with toggles. -
Is it a correct assumption that you don't wish to use purples or PVP IOs in the build?
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Claws pairs well with /SR because it's mitigation helps /SR's Def-based survivability. /SR's Quickness helps with double-stacking Follow-Up to achieve Claws/ peak dps. /Willpower is ok for synergy due to the mitigation in Claws, but lacks the +recharge that helps boost Claws/ damage so significantly.
Fire/ pairs best with /SR or /Shields imho. Fire/SR is excellent for AV soloing on a budget as you can have an excellent ST attack chain without requiring the +recharge for other primaries and /SR helps to get to that level easily. If you don't have a lot of influence to spend, then Fire/SR will perform excellently with low to moderate investment.
Fire/Shields is top-notch if you have the influence to drop into it. It is extremely expensive to get a top-end build, but it will out-perform Fire/SR and Claws/SR hands-down in most situations. Fire has excellent ST damage, boosted by /Shield's AAO, and Shield Charge combined with FSC is awesome AoE. Fire/ is also less resisted than Claws/ lethal damage, though this can be greatly off-set by use of the Achille's Heel proc.
Choose a concept that is exciting to you and have fun. You can't go wrong with any of these combinations. -
Quote:His name is Robert Paulson.Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
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