Well I gave you 10% more recharge (Oblits in Soul Drain and SMaul) and added a 3rd LoTG on CJ and Lucky for HP bonuses (I stripped 2 slots from Tough, so if you don't want the hp bonuses and want to use tough I'd recommend slotting with the Steadfast unique plus 2 res/end HOs). Also got you a HP bonus by slotting another Numina in Health and a recov bonus with the other Miracle, I removed the chance for BU in FA (5% chance of BU every ten seconds is too low IMHO)
I'm not good at calculating attack chain numbers, so some expert will have to come here and tell you if you have enough for the Smite-SL-MG chain for AVs and such, but if you do, you won't need Shadow Punch. That's why I replaced it with Shadow Maul in the build, so you can get the same melee def from Oblit plus 5% recharge, and Shadow Maul is great since you said it's for teaming too. I can reliably hit 3-5 mobs with it in teams since they buffed the melee range to 7 feet.
Just what I'd do, or as I said remove the 2 Lotgs I added to CJ and Lucky and put 2 res/end HOs in Tough.
I won't touch your SL slotting, mine is different but you might wanna check this thread: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=126768
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Is it a correct assumption that you don't wish to use purples or PVP IOs in the build?
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That is correct. Sorry, should have stated as much in the OP
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Originally Posted by Gaidin
Is it a correct assumption that you don't wish to use purples or PVP IOs in the build?
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Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
I like Kioshi's build better than the OP. I took that and tweaked it and got some more HP, recovery, and recharge. I also added the accolades in because IMO you will probably need the extra HP if you wanna solo AVs.
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Edit: Also, with the massive DDR /SR has there really isn't any need to get your defense much above 45%. I got rid of some of that extra defense to squeeze the extra stats into the build.
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Gobbledygook's build is almost fast enough for Smite -> Midnight Grasp -> Smite -> Siphon Life. Close enough that I'd just run that chain with tiny gaps. Yours and MunkiLord's are both fast enough, at least while Hasten is up.
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Originally Posted by Kioshi
I'm not good at calculating attack chain numbers, so some expert will have to come here and tell you if you have enough for the Smite-SL-MG chain for AVs and such, but if you do, you won't need Shadow Punch.
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munkilord, that is exactly what I was looking for, thanks alot.
Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
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You're welcome. But I'm slightly irritated because you have almost as much recharge and I have purple sets. Looks like it is time to look at my build again.
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Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
munkilord, that is exactly what I was looking for, thanks alot.
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OK, I finally had time to work up a build. Many similarities to others posted, however, it has much better end management - you'll be sustainable. Got Cloud Senses damage proc into both Smite and MG, which should increase DPS. It's able to run the MG>Smite>SL>Smite chain. Slightly higher resists to all damage.
It has 95% or more Accuracy to every attack vs. +4 mobs without SD, which I think is important for the brief time SD is down and eliminates the situational need for the end hog Focused Accuracy. Also, same global recharge as Munkilord's build, so recharge on SD is maintained.
It has slightly less HP(14) and regen(2.7/sec) than Munkilord's build, but you'll hardly notice the difference.
Finally, I altered the slotting on SL a bit. I think it hitting reliably, even when SD is down is worth the minor decrease in dpa, and it does recharge slightly faster than other variants in the thread.
I hope you find this useful. 
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Gaidin, very nice changes. I like that a lot.
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Originally Posted by MunkiLord
Gaidin, very nice changes. I like that a lot.
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With my initial look, the only thing I was wondering about is if there is possibly a better place to use the second slot in Conserve Power. My live build uses Dark Consumption, so I dont need CP up often(if at all really). I'm not sure what end usage would be like on a long fight(AV or pylon for example).
But at the same time I didnt really look around to see if that slot could be used elsewhere. If I have time I'm gonna check it out later. I like the builds we're making and may change my build to reflect that. If I do that I wouldn't lose any recharge and I would have two extra purple sets all of a sudden I could do whatever with.
I too am currently working on a DM/SR and I've been working with a build I'd like to share and see how it holds up.
A couple of goals i had with this scrapper:
I've set aside quite a bit of currency for this scrapper so i wasn't too concerned, however i stayed away from some sets.
I wanted to build this scrapper with enough recharge to avoid hasten and still have a comfortable chain
I wanted to fit in a couple extra tools from the Epic Pool, namely an Aoe and a ranged attack. I love the bonuses from Apocalypse and I figured that along with Ragnarok would provide a couple good recovery and recharge bonuses.
Combined with all of the above, I wanted to be able to solo an AV or give the Pylon test a good go. I'm not really looking to break any DPS records, or else obviously my build, and secondary probably, would be different. (cough, shields). Instead i went with a familiar secondary, and added in a bit of personal flavor here and there, like the gift of the ancients run speeds.
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I focused a bit more on Damage IO bonuses instead of HP and regen, ending up with 27%, although i squeezed out HP and regen bonuses wherever i could, and i got close to 1800 HP with accolades, and 300% regen. Recovery is also a touch lower than some of the builds posted here, but i still managed 3.5 a second.
I'm wondering if anyone sees any glaring problems that need to be worked out.
Right now my chain is MG > Smite > SL > Smite > Fire Blast
I know the ideal chain doesnt have fire blast but with the amount of recharge i ended up with i have about a 1 second delay on MG, and i figured putting fire blast there would fill it nicely. Capable of Soloing an AV/Pylon, yes no?
Am i going to wish i had physical perfection? Like i said i rather like the Ragnarok and Apocalypse set bonuses, but My regen is lower than alot of the posted builds.
1780 hp. Is that enough? For say, AV soloing?, or should i sacrifice a few of the damage bonuses and squeeze a few more HP out. Compared to the build munki posted above im only about 30 hp lower than that, think i need more or can i get by with 1780?
The last big concern i have is the endurance. I did not take body mastery so i am conserve power and physical perfectionless, Would i be able to get by relying on DC, or should i go for more than 3.5 end recovery a second.
Any other comments or suggestions is much appreciated.
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Haven't had time to really look at your build in depth, but if you wanna AV solo you will want better endurance management. Also, 1780 HP is fine(but of course more is better). My build that I'm using currently is just over 1700 and I'm able to solo AVs.
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That depends. In the build I posted, there is no DC, so Conserve Power having that second slot allows it to be up over half the time, which I thought, admittedly without actual calculation, would be necessary for end sustainability... let me go over some numbers, because I think I was wrong...|
Originally Posted by MunkiLord
With my initial look, the only thing I was wondering about is if there is possibly a better place to use the second slot in Conserve Power. My live build uses Dark Consumption, so I dont need CP up often(if at all really). I'm not sure what end usage would be like on a long fight(AV or pylon for example).
But at the same time I didn't really look around to see if that slot could be used elsewhere. If I have time I'm gonna check it out later. I like the builds we're making and may change my build to reflect that. If I do that I wouldn't lose any recharge and I would have two extra purple sets all of a sudden I could do whatever with. |
Going by BillZ's 'The Results Are in...", the attack chain uses 4 EPS if all attacks have 33% end reduction. Smite has double that at 68.9%, MG has 38.09%, and SL has zero. I'm not proficient at calculating such values, but with the toggles costing .97 EPS, the build does look like it might be sustainable with Conserve Power only having a single slot, even without DC, as it would have 45% uptime compared with 51% with 2 slots.
Going by this, I've worked up a different variation that I actually like a lot better. It has 10% less regen, however, it has .05 less EPS usage, and here's the big draw - Soul Drain is now slotted for only Acc and Recharge. Your SD fodder will stick around much longer, and I did this without losing any other stats from my prior build. I am going to be saving this build for future use.
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This is the build I have worked up for my DM/SR scrapper. He is lvl 40 now, and I have most of the enhancements slotted in him. Mostly for teaming and soloing AV's. Critiques welcome.
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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Shadow Punch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), T'Death-Dam%(7)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(7), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(9), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(9), RedFtn-Def(11), RedFtn-EndRdx(11)
Level 2: Smite -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(13), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(13), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), T'Death-Dam%(17)
Level 4: Agile -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(17), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(19)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(19)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(A), Mako-Acc/Dmg(21), Nictus-Acc/Heal(21), Nictus-Heal(23), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(23), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(25)
Level 10: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 14: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(31), Mrcl-Rcvry+(34), Heal-I(48)
Level 16: Dodge -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(46), Ksmt-ToHit+(50)
Level 18: Focused Senses -- RedFtn-EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def(25), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(29), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(29), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(31), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(31)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(36), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(37), P'Shift-EndMod(37)
Level 22: Quickness -- Run-I(A)
Level 24: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(27), Erad-Acc/Rchg(27), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(43)
Level 28: Lucky -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(43)
Level 30: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), ResDam-I(50), EndRdx-I(50)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Evasion -- DefBuff-I(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(37), S'dpty-EndRdx/Rchg(39), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(39), S'dpty-Def(39), S'dpty-EndRdx(40)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), S'dpty-EndRdx(40), S'dpty-Def(40), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(42), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(42), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy -- EndRdx-I(A), GSFC-Build%(43)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), Numna-Heal(45), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(45), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(45), P'Shift-EndMod(46), P'Shift-End%(46)
Level 47: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 49: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 4: Ninja Run
Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?