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Quote:I think that would be truly sad if it happened. No one *owns* any niches. And people are completely free to out them if they find them.Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
I do suspect that you'd get angry PMs from people with no lives if you routinely outed "big" niches with screenies.
I have no issue about market pvp and doing what you can to protect a niche, but getting all hot and bothered about someone exposing "your" niche is silly.
Also, it's been proven time and time again that even when a niche has been exposed it eventually recovers and becomes profitable again. The effect is mostly short term, sometimes only a day or two.
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Quote:All the characters you mention are viable. Just pick one. However, as the others mentioned, the game has changed a ton since 3-4 years ago. While it resembles the old system, things like ED and inventions pretty much makes obsolete what you might remember of this game from an enhancement / build / power pick perspective.Originally Posted by Voked
Guess you can see my guys in the sig... forgot about that lol. Im sure my two scrappers can still fit in somewhere, damage is damage. But what about my controller, Ive been reading through all the forums the last two days trying to get caught up on things, and ice/storm doesnt seem to be really mentioned. Is a pure controller used anymore?
Edit: Also, thanks for the advise on starting over, i think ill be doing that just to get back in the swing of things then hit up one of my lvled guys again.
I would echo the same advice to just start over. If you just want to level something just for the sake of getting it to 50 (no real point since super sidekicking can give you access to all but a few level locked and zone locked content), just pick either of the two scrappers. Ice/storm is viable, but that's really more of a team build and will level more slowly than your scrappers. -
Quote:It's definitely okay just getting your list price. I'm usually pretty happy when anything sells. Nonetheless, I would just post screenshots of sales not what you list it for. You can always tell us the list prices after the fact.Originally Posted by heffroncm
So an interesting thing happened last night. Within 3 hours of posting my SS of the day, almost everything I had sold. That's not the interesting part. What's interesting is how much of it sold for almost exactly what I listed it at. Looks like someone decided it was worth flipping something they saw in this thread.
There's a small percentage of gamers that for a lack of a better phrase aren't very original or capable of creative thought. I have a guide in my sig using Crushing Impact and Triage as examples and I get feedback saying that too many people are using those recipes, even though the examples are just to illustrate the process. I mean you *could* use Crushing Impact or Triage, but the point was that you could use a variety of different recipes for the same effect.
The point is that no one is going to criticize you if you decide to take some minimal safeguards in protecting your profits. With that said, you could actually turn this into sort of an advantage. Free advertising never hurt sales either. -
Finally, thank you all for some of your encouraging comments and notes of appreciation. This has been a fun project. Sometime in the future, I'll make a separate post when I finish Fara's build and perhaps update some of the adventures she had in the interim. I eventually plan to take her hero side with Going Rogue, and spec her into more of a high octane offensive build. As with most of my characters, she'll also probably get close to the infamy gap at level 50 while still being mostly IO'ed out. That's when she'll splurge on some purples and finally finish her build.
Thanks again for reading,
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Day 12: Final Entry
All good things must eventually come to an end. Tonight I am going to log my last entry for Fara. It's not that I'll abandon her completely but rather the lure of Going Rogue will undoubtedly pull my interests in that direction. It's been a fun ride; Banes are certainly not the underpowered, red-headed stepchild of the Soldiers of Arachnos family.
So where did I end up with Fara:
Level 40
1325 hitpoints
45.57 melee defense*
46.43 ranged defense*
37.03 aoe defense*
39.75 global recharge
(*assumes cloaking device is suppressed)
286 reward merits
516,536,992 infamy earned (probably 300M more in IOs in the base and on the market)
85 hours played
Fara's enhancement screen looks like this:
At level 40, I took 260 of those 286 merits and made 13 level 35-39 random merit rolls. I came out pretty well with that I think.
Some closing thoughts.
1. While I liked having the fighting pool, especially up against foes like Nemesis which do a lot of damage, I wonder if there's a way to make a better mouse trap. To take fighting pool, you have to use up three power choices and really not take a number of powers that are desirable such as Tactical Training Leadership and delay powers like Tactical Training Assault and Surveillance. It might be easier to just grab Manuevers from the Leaderhip pool, soft cap earlier and then go for an all-in offensive build and not worry about resistance so much. Come respec time, this may be the way to go for Fara.
2. I think not taking both Venom Grenade and Surveillance is a serious mistake, and I will forever think that any Bane build that doesn't have both of them is self gimping. They are literally that awesome. One is good, two will be amazing (note: I have Surveillance planned for Fara at level 47). There's just no underestimating how much raw damage that -40% resistance (more if the Achilles Heel proc in Surveillance procs) with double assault can unleash. If you think about it, a Bane built that way can worry less about defense because everything will be flattened so quickly.
3. I think Banes do well with not one but two -kb IOs in their build. Even with soft capped melee and ranged defense, it was irritating facing things like Fake Nemesis and Family Consiglieres who can bounce you around like a level 1 Hellion hit by a level 50 Defender's Force Bolt.
4. Banes really require an offensive mind set. If you build them like a tank or a scrapper, you're not really getting the best out of your build. That's probably the mistake I made since I keep expecting Fara to play like a scrapper. Take your -res debuffs and your assault toggles early and kill stuff before they kill you. Banes really thrive when you think of them more as a melee blaster with some defense rather than as a scrapper or stalker. -
Quote:Yup. This.Originally Posted by Fulmens
If you've got deep enough pockets and it looks like a real case of underpricing, just buy up your competition. ("underpricing" in this ccase meaning "less than half the retail crafting cost")
However, that makes you one of those ebil flippers that are much maligned by the playing public. The way I look at it though is that if someone is dumping it, all you're doing is taking off their hands and relisting it (and hence making it available) for someone else who may want it later. Those other people also may have the opportunity to buy at the lower price if they happen on the market at the same time; if not, then it's just another opportunity that has fallen in your lap. -
Quote:It would be completely welcome. I'm not arrogant enough to think I know or have stumbled upon every market trick that people use, so I look forward to learning as well.Originally Posted by heffroncm
I also think I'm having enough fun doing this and updating the thread that I should start a market journal
Tips from a newby for newbies in the first post, listing all the little rules I'm making for myself along the way. Would this be a welcome contribution to the forum, or is it overdone? -
Quote:It takes me minutes per play session, so once you get familiar with the process and interface, the market is a great and sustainable source of income. With that said, you have to do what you find fun. Running TFs, gaining merits is also very viable, although slower. However, you can't put a price on fun.Originally Posted by JakHammer
Thanks Fulmens,
I have read your guide on the market, Fury Flechette's, and at least 3 others. I read the market and invention forum everyday now. I have tried crafting and selling but it just seems to take a long time to get everything done. Too much time as far as I am concerned.
I just wouldn't give up on the marketing thing just yet. Everybody struggles a little bit at first, but then it goes very quickly once you get the hang of it. For fast turnover, start with something low risk like crafting common IOs, and as you start getting more adventuresome, go pick some viable yellow recipes (Crushing Impact, Doctored Wounds, Thunderstrikes). Even as often as those niches are published, they still make money.
Eventually, you'll get the hang of what sells, and what sits in your slots for weeks and you'll be able to narrow your investment. If you spend a lot of time offline or playing alts, you're at a decisive advantage over a lot players since you can simply wait it out for good prices (e.g., put in an absurd lowball bid, wait a week or more, and have it fill).
It's why I tell people to give the market is more casual friendly than most people realize. The casual gamer has the most decisive advantage in the Market because they are by circumstance the most patient. -
I've been so looking forward to this Organica!
I'll be cheering on the winner from the sidelines because I'm disqualified by so many criteria it probably isn't funny (not casual, not poor, in Midlevel Crisis, yada yada). And yeah, my War Shade is level 3 to boot.
Anyway, good luck to the winner. -
Quote:It's AAO and it's a toggle, and it's a magnificent taunt aura as well as a huge damage boost. My shield scrappers don't worry about runners.Originally Posted by Shazaym
I keep seeing people mention a threat/taunt power when refering to a farming FM/SD build - which power are they talking about - I hate runners.
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Grats to War Witch for not saying "taking it to the next level." I think a bunch of us were waiting for her to trip up.
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Quote:This is a screenshot I took in Beta with saturated AAO: 419 + 173 or 592 at 5' point of impact; 419 at 20' against even cons.Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Out of curiosity, solo + self buffing (any) what kind of damage does SC do vs. a typical spawn now?
Comparing it on live now: 789 total damage against even cons.
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Quote:This exactly.Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Maybe I'm being thick but shouldn't there be a Market Interface screen in the middle of that picture somewhere?
Or the Market Chat window which shows your transactions or something. As is it's a picture of you standing in Wentworths, there's no indication of what you've sold or for how much.
Did you sell the recipes crafted or just the recipes themselves? Did you make good on your promise of selling at below market prices?
Right now, I can't tell whether whether you sold the purples you showed in the earlier screenshots or simply emailed yourself influence to an approximation of what you want us to see. Sorry, but given your reputation, I just can't take your word at it. That's not trying to be mean: you do have an anti-market history.
Further, scientific method demands objectivity. If you go into an experiment with an expected result, often times such experiments become forgone conclusions. In the end, you haven't proved anything. Like the others said, documentation will mean everything. The best way to prove your point is to document everything without bias. That's the only way it will be credible. -
Quote:I wouldn't play a Bane as a stalker. Stalkers do much more damage from AS without any debuffs. Without the debuffs, a Bane will lag behind. There are several powers I'd lose in your build before skipping Venom Grenade or Surveillance. I wouldn't get either Bayonet or Single Shot nor would I get pets with just 1 slot in them. Venom Grenade or Surveillance would be a far better choice than either of the pets for a 1 slot investment.Originally Posted by Novella
I thought about taking Surveillance because of the debuffing, but just couldn't fit it into the build so I opted against taking it. I figure if I can get by on 2 Stalkers without a debuff then I should be fine on this Bane.
However, it's your build, and I'm just giving you feedback in what I think works more effectively. -
Interestingly enough. boards.coh.com now doesn't allow you to log into the forums, though it does allow you to view it as a guest. Only boards.cityofheroes.com allows you to login as usual.
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I haven't looked at the numbers but it *feels* like it's the dual pistols of melee power sets: stylish but rather mediocre damage. This is a qualitative observation based on playing the set in beta a fair amount.
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Quote:The feeding frenzy that your contest will create will be absolutely delicious. I await it with baited breath.Originally Posted by Organica
I'm actually working on my plan to purple someone else's casual War Shade. ^_^
I'm not sure exactly what contest I should hold... maybe have people post a picture of their warshade (level 50 or close to it) and a short paragraph about why they qualify as a casual player and why they deserve, nay, absolutely need to have all those shiny IOs. ^_^ Then maybe I'll pick out the best and figure out how to choose a winner from there.
Based on my own build I'm thinking... 5 sets of purple IOs (5 pieces each) -- all four damage types and stun (Absolute Amazement) which can be place in Gravetic Emanation, 5 Luck of the Gambler 7.5% global recharge IOs, and then maybe a few other goodies like a Numina unique (doesn't everyone need one?) and, I don't know, an Oblit set (at least 5 pieces), couple of Nucleus Exposures, couple of Steadfast Protection KB protection IOs, Performance Shifter Chance for Plus Endurance... that should get anyone well on their way to an awesome tri-form War Shade build no matter how they assemble it.
All crafted and ready to deliver. ^_^ I'm working on that part now.
I should probably post something in the Kheldian forum when I'm ready. -
Quote:PM Sent.Originally Posted by Alkirin
Yeah, guess it's just beyond me then. Every time I try anything I hit one of the two snags mentioned before. Guess I'm just unlucky.
Seems lose-lose. I'm not listing to make insane profit or anything. I'd be happy enough just to cover the minimum cost in crafting, but I can't even get that sometimes. Might be looking at the wrong IO sets, probably.
Best part? I finally find a great deal to move on, and I get the "Black Market Cannot process your request, please try again later." Error. That's about time to give up on it, I think. Glad you can manage at least.
And you need to realize that I'm not posting screenshots to try to show you up. I posted them to demonstrate that the method I describe works. It has also worked for countless others.
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Not taking Venom Grenade and/or Surveillance is a mistake IMO. I don't know if I'd ever turn down -20% res debuffs, and a Bane has access to two them. Surveillance can even take the Achille proc for even more debuff.
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Quote:Nope. It can be done at just about any time though weekend activity is the most frenetic. And the technique can be used on a variety of IOs. Or am I misunderstanding your question?Originally Posted by Alkirin
So my guess is that you basically pulled this by quickly running a few 5-10m IOs during the end of the week/weekend?
Here's a haul from yesterday. I took this screenshot for my play journal thread referenced in my sig. Unfortunately, that's the most recent screenshot I have of marketeering.
This is very typical. I don't know if I can exactly reproduce the sales in this guide (involving Crushing Impact and Triage) largely because the market shifts but I can get similar results using other IOs. -
Regen scrappers are going to be awesome with shadow meld. Being able to alternate between MoG and shadow meld has amazing posibilities.
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Quote:I don't think it's incredulous at all. What you describe has happened to everyone on occasion, including me.Originally Posted by Alkirin
Though, I suppose the most frustrating of it all is that relisting isn't cheap for expensive items that don't sell for what seem like outright silly reasons. The solution to the first would be to just bite the bullet on it and hope it takes, sure. Though with the second, I don't know what to say to it.
The sense that I'm 'failing' comes from having items that I invested alot into, that I can't seem to get rid off unless I literally just give them away.
Edit: Some of this might seem incredulous...I should post some screens, I think.
High value items are often times the most competitively fought niches and you'll see players do what they can to ensure their stuff sells. Those are also the niches most targeted by flippers. They're also not subjected to high turnovers and you may only see activity on these niches on the weekend when market activity is at their busiest. -
Quote:Pretty easy to explain actually. Suppose as in your example, you've posted a crafted IO for 15M that sells for 20M+. That's pretty decent reasoning, since the lowest priced IO usually sells first, it still may mean yours will sit there while another player's sells. What you may be up against is a player who's listing their IO for 14,999,999. If a bid comes in for 30M, their IO sells, your's don't.Originally Posted by Alkirin
I think I'm doing alot of this completely wrong...That, or the state of the market has changed in the past few months.
Could just be my bad luck, but items that run stable at 20m+ will suddenly drop to less than half of that the second I post an item at 15m, thinking I'm a smart guy by undercutting. Kinda feels like someone is waiting for me to invest in something before screwing me over at the last second...Even worse is when I see items consistently selling for more than what I've listed, while my listing just sits there until the prices fall low enough to put me further into the hole. Very fickle market, it seems.
Going to end up with alot of expensive crap I'd have to probably give away. It's...Discouraging. Don't know how some of you people pull millions in days by it.
In the guide, I recommend pricing IOs at 66% to 75% the going rate. I've put this range in to make it easy for people to remember and for 95% of most situations that works. However, what I do is price for the amount that yields me a modest profit. I have no hesitation to list a 20M+ IO for as little as 9.5M. I've probably bought the recipe for 2M, crafted it with salvage for another 3M and even minus marketing fees, I'll still have 4M+ profit if it sells at the listing price. More likely however, the IO will sell for 20M+ and I'll get the sale while people who are listing at 15M don't. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that someone else bought a 20M+ IO for 9.5M. I'm *still* making profit. Who cares if someone else gets a bargain.
The most common mistake I see beginning marketeers make is assuming that they are failing if they don't get the market price for the IOs they sell. Instead, they should be happy that their IO sold quickly and it freed up a slot for them to make another transaction. I always shake my head at situations where a player has listed an IO at near the market going rate and are frustrated when it sits there for weeks. IOs that you are selling, no matter how expensive, are not usable to you as influence unless they sell. -
Quote:I think SR could stand for a small buff. It's a very solid secondary. DDR and scaling resists are very underrated, but yeah, it's hard to argue for it when you see the capabilities of a well-IO'ed shield defense or WP.Originally Posted by Cheeze_Head
I think the subject speaks for itself but I suppose I'll explain a bit more. For my first GR toon I was planning on making a DB/SR scrapper (because it seemed ub3r cool) and then I realized the following; why bother with SR since many secondaries can do what SR can, with the added bonus of other utilities and whatnot, by just IOing it up. I realize it would take a bit more work for other sets to soft cap than SR, however, I feel the point remains valid.
I'd love to see the taunt aura in the brute version of evasion given to scrappers as well and I'd like quickness or perhaps practice brawler give a little bit or innate regen - say equal to what health gives. -
Quote:Oh yes it does. The reason why I like Rad/MM so much is because you get 3 cone range AoEs very early. You can decimate mobs with that alone. Cosmic burst hit hard for a blaster and it mezzes. You can pretty much guarantee taking out that one annoying mob from the get go.Originally Posted by ChrisMoses
I really like Rad Blast, but I've played a Corrupter to 50 with it, and sporadically on a Defender.
Does it feel a lot more powerful on a Blaster?
Rad/Fire is much more a high wire act since so much the AoE potential is PBAoE. It's right in your face and the blasts are mostly to set up the in your face carnage. Play it well and you can do a ton of damage. However, I think this build is much more team oriented. Rad/MM is probably the stronger soloer.
Based on what you wrote, seems like Rad/Fire would be right up your alley.