Furio

You tell me....you're the one who said this:
"And then on the eighth day, God I mean the developers created many and various SNIPE tools, so that that very dangerous boss can be removed from his group of supporters and defeated alone. The "pull" is a standard gaming tactic, and intimating that it is an "exploit" makes me laugh out loud."

After playing a blaster since day -3, I know what I do when I pull, but I don't know you, so I can only go by what you've written....and what you wrote there looks like you were talking about pulling the boss, not thinning out his minions.

In this *specific* instance, pulling Trapdoor out of his room (which is empty save for him at the start of the fight) is taking advantage the Devs' oversight. That's all. There is no slippery slope. In this *specific* encounter, the player has to deal with Trapdoor's power without pulling. All of your hyperbolic slippery slope fallacy arguments are just that...fallacies.

I actually had someone try return a PC back in the 90's "because the cupholder broke"

Doesn't matter if it's a bug. Change/fix/whatever. It's not unprecedented for a non-showstopper to slip thru a beta.

Basically, I'm coming from the POV that in the 6+ years I've been subscribing, they've earned the benefit of the doubt from me. Based on what I experienced, I'm willing to write off this change to this encounter as correcting a slip up between intention and execution

I've done it 3 times solo, once each with the chars in my sig, and once with a crab spider.

The blaster was first and since I didn't realize at that point that what the clones were doing once they appeared, I got pasted. After rezzing, and getting pasted again, I came back, and started picking them off. He chased me around the room, fell in the lava and I burned him down. I don't think he ever spawned more than 2 at a time.

The MM was easiest, I'd just send my GK's off to deal with the clones while the others focused on him. Again, never more than 2 clones up at a time.

The crab had a bit more trouble, as his damage output goes way down without his spiderbots, and I can't heal them when they stupidly follow Trap into the lava. Since that fight took longer I think I remember seeing 4 at one point.

What I've never seen is the clones coming back as soon as I killed them.


Also, hyperbole, thy name is BI. Yeah, many times a boos is surrounded by minions. You snipe that boss, 9 times out of ten those minions *are* coming with him.
Trapdoor *is* a special snowflake. He has a unique ability in this game. Sure, other mobs drop emmiters, but those are intended to be location based stationary things. His are supposed to be clones of himself. Presumably being a clone of a humanoid would include the ability to do normal things humanoids can do...like walk around. Are there other ways they could have accomplished the goal of keeping the clones/buff with Trap? Sure. They could let them follow him where ever he goes, they could have made their regen buff map wide as long as they're alive. But, they didn't. I suspect having the clones use static spawns and not need pathing AI or and unheard of range on a power was simply the quickest easiest solution.
Bottom line, as I've posted before in this thread, dealing with the clones is an intended part of this fight. Circumventing them by leveraging the coding is not WAI, so it's been changed/fixed/whatever you wanna call it.

No...you're bored... the person making you do it gets the enjoyment of shcadenfreude out of your misery

Heh...kinda the whole point of sin

If dumping him in the lava blocked the clones from upping his regen, I'm sure they would. You're reaching for extreme ridiculous scenarios to try and make your point, but really, it's just coming off as a bit silly. Bottom line, in this situation, they don't want Trapdoor to be away from his clones. The fact that they changed /fixed/ removed the one situation that could cause that to happen is the evidence of that, as they haven't outright said anything specifically. It doesn't really matter *what* you call it...bug,exploit, dev oversight, gaming the encounter, whatever. You fight Trapdoor, they want that fight to happen with the clones in the equation. Either power through their buff, or kill them and kill the buff....but they will be involved.

It's the dictionary definition of the word....taking advantage of a situation to ones benefit.

As I put above, it's as far as the devs are concerned that matters. They don't want him to be away from his clones. I suspect that the actual coding of this isn't their ideal solution, but they went with this for whatever reason (prolly it was quickest...usual realities getting in the way). The clones are Trapdoors defining ability. They want him to pop them up when he's in trouble, but they went with static spawn spots (again likely a quick and dirty fix). I'd wager that if they could they'd unleash him from that room and have him spawn clones wherever he needed...again net effect, pulling would be a moot tactic.

edit - One possible reason they've restricted the clones to that room...no way for a clone to get lost in the rest of the map, or be spawned inside something or any of the myriad ways mobs find to make clearing a map a PITA

Whatever you want to call it, Traps was never intended to be separated from his clones. May or may not be an exploit, personally I'd say it's too minor an issue to rise to the level of Exploit in typical MMO terms. By the dictionary definition, yeah, you're exploiting a bug by pulling him from the room. But not Exploiting. But the "someone" who disagrees with the pulling approach just happens to be the people that designed the encounter. I'd wager that they don't care if you kite him all over the map, so long as his clones continue to do their +regen. I'm guessing that leashing him to the room is the quickest easiest way to ensure that.
Maybe they could have coded it such that he could spawn them wherever he was on the map, but from what I've seen in doing the mission, they have static spawn locations...probably due to time limitations on the coders.

Yeah...ran with the old SNL gang (during and after Blues Brothers)

QFT. Especially the bolded part.

Because he's Johnny Butane and what he really wants is a single player game with a IDKFA type code.

Granted he was the inspiration for all the Chuck Norris jokes, but even he would have a spot of difficulty doing that from the grave

Only time that makes sense is WH40k's Orks.