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Quote:No speculation required.Originally Posted by Enantiodromos
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Quote:So your either trolling on the use of words, or your really that dimwitted to realize that lost XP being discussed is referring to lost XP opportunity. There has been no claim that the lost xp from using confuse is greater than the lost xp from not using confuse. Quite the opposite actually.Originally Posted by Enantiodromos
You're not following the conversation-- or you're deliberately merging two distinct issues.
I never said anything like: greifing somebody was "OK." That's your own invention.
So, do you want to talk about 1) whether your case represents lost XP? Or 2) whether it represents something BAD for XP?
1) It's not lost XP because it can't be earned. Obviously.
2) When I originally broached why it's wrong to call this XP lost, I pointed out that this illusion-of-lost-opportunity dealie we've been talking about just now, is only the first of reasons it's utter nonsense to say the XP's lost. "You can't lose what you didn't earn," is only the first part of what's at issue.
Hotfeet XP distribution is VERY different from confused mob damage XP distribution. This is the part that's actually arcane and requires somebody to pay attention to an obscure explanation of what goes on. OR, to take the word of somebody they trust has studied it thoroughly.
It's worth talking about. I've included that talk in I think just about every guide that touches on confusions, that I've ever written.
But people make up these nonsense cases as though they "prove" that confuses are bad for XP, and utterly fail to make a meaningful point. Like "fire/kins following a sewer team."
Yes,the sewer team would not be earning, and therefore not losing, XP.
No, it's not OK, it's using a power to actually limit XP opportunity.
And no, this case has nothing to do with confusions, which don't do anything remotely like your example, because confused mob damage affects XP differently than unteamed ally damage.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Radmind
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Hi Rad!
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Blasters 10
Controllers = 11
Defenders = 10
Scrappers = 11
Tankers = 11
Peace Bringers = 8
War Shades = 10
Brutes = 10
Corruptors = 10
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Masterminds = 10
Stalkers = 10
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Quote:Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
That is a very loaded question around here. Farming isn't really looked upon highly by me.
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Quote:That's what I thought he was talking about. Ironic that he quoted the person he replied to ...Originally Posted by Leo_G
It's a good way to make sure someone doesn't go back and change their message so you're responding to exactly what they have said and not what they rewrote after you posted.
And I don't see any rabbit/hobbit mutants walking around here...
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Welcome to Co*!
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*Stink Monster accepts bribe and does nothing*
Curse you Chaos!
*Spits on the grid*
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Quote:What?Originally Posted by MageX
why would you quote an entire post if you will leave a reply in response to him right under his post. in real life you dont adress people you talk to by their names? or you just repeat everything they just said when you're in a conversation.
sorry for the off topic message but felt like mentioning this bad habbit i see on this forum. -
BackAlleyBrawler = 4
pohsyb = 2
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Folonious with an extra o. Phew, for a minute I thought you were trying to hit me
*Stink Monster advances and takes a dump on Chaos_Creators Banshee*
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BackAlleyBrawler = 15
pohsyb = 17
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Quote:I think you lost the point. When using confusion, it's xp gain over time.Originally Posted by HacknSlash
Let's say you used confuse and killed 100 mobs in 30 minutes for 80 xp.
You're claiming you could have gotten 20 more xp out of those mobs.
How would you have done it?
The formula would be xp = (xmp+ylp+zbp)(t+tc)
xp is total xp gained per group
x is the number of minions, m is the amount of xp a minion gives
y is the number of lt's, and l is the amount of xp an lt gives
z is the number of bosses, and b is the amount of xp a boss gives.
p is 100 minus the percentage of xp that is lost from each kill/arrest.
t is the amount of time it takes you to get through that one mob
c is the effect confusion has on time. c is between 0 and 1.
He didn't claim you can get 20 more xp out of 100 mobs using confuse, but if you don't use confuse on the mob, then the numbers xmp, ylp, and zbp increase, but the t/c will decrease, thus making total xp gained per group decline. Assuming c = 20% effect on time, fighting mobs for 30 minutes with confuse would be the equivalent of fighting mobs for 36 minutes, even though the actual time spent fighting was 30 minutes.
I'm pretty sure the above formula is effective in describing the use of confusion.
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Actually, that could also be xp = p(xm+yl+zb)(t(1+c)) -
Quote:So by your definition of lost, I could follow a sewer team of lvl 1-6 around with my lvl 50 fire/kin with hot feet turned on and it would be ok. They aren't losing experience because they never had it.Originally Posted by Enantiodromos
How... on what planet.... is XP you didn't earn "lost?" That something is lost implies that you had it. You never had it. It can't be lost. -
During one day at the height of summer, six glittering starships appeared out of nowhere. Suddenly everything went dark. It was the curse of the evil monkey that eats cotton candy!
The people all fled in terror at the sight of the sticky-fingered monkey. It hurled large chunks of cotton candy at the innocent Omegatron Zeta Warbot, "Koo Koo Katchoo", who, caught unprepared, pulled up his iron underpants, and ran screaming into a brick wall.
Then the monkey laughed and said, "where's my punchline?" A man named Alfredo von Wigglestein appeared and said, "I think, therefore... I don't care. Now, you need to go to talk to the guy about registering for the special buns and thigh class. After all penguins have anurisms and I wear polyester thongs to school. Where was my jar of Honey Bees? Who will not drag my fat butt? Now what was the price of eggplants and bees again? I forget things quite quickly since I'm old. Although old is relative."
So then my sister Bruce bought a banana from a passing street vendor. He grabbed a dictionary and started to read aloud the definition for monkey curses. He then looked at the crumpled warbot, pointed and said, "Beware! Chaos is brewing beer!"
Then the warbot stood and drank beer.
Then my sister stripped naked and started to dance a sexy dance.
But the police helped her undress. Afterwards they ran in circles chasing Folonius while yelling the words to that pop hit polka song by the Andrews Sisters. That made Folonius roll out barrels of Rikti Monkeys. This proved problematic for the newly created government of the Rikti, for it had finally caged all of the barrel monkeys.
Lady Grey said, "I like to do weird stuff in the nude with the Rikti." So I took out my camera and filmed her from within her secret monitoring station. "I will never spy on her," said blpup pervertly as he passed out from poison. But just as he died, a passing noob stole his influence. Then burnt his body.
Soon the monkey scattered the ashes and ran home crying to mommy he'd been Riktirolled. The momma monkey ate Chaos Creator's little can of sausage to get even. Suddenly, the sausage regurgitated itself out of the monkey and said this, "Let my people go you jerk!" But then the Freedom Phalanx came and revealed that Chaos was happy. This surpised noone.
Then Chaos died a little inside. Later, he got on the interwebs,but got lag when he tried to look up sheep tied onto a kite. This saddened the chickens who wanted to eat sheep.
Suddenly a man wearing a big target on his jockstrap with three arrows on it, all pointing to his third nipple, busted into song:
"I can't get any more funny during this chaotic event, please help!"
Suddenly, Statesman said, "He who laughs first loses their chance to punch Defender in the genitalia! Don't laugh!"
Not laughing, Manticore took off his ill-conceived costume and started to dance like a meandering lama in split pea soup. Swan giggled and got naked before Popeye the Sailorman had a chance to eat spinich. This left him an opening to get Olive Oyl in the mix. Bluto was furious. Wimpy ate burgers.
Meanwhile, back at the hall of justice, Betty Boop was preparing to bath her puppy in a vat of boiling oil. She was killed by a man wearing a yellow sweater with matching socks. He also rode a Harley that did not stop eating Statesman. "Lego my Statesman!", he said. Shortly, a big red ball appeared and killed him too. The ball muttered its disappointment with a spatula.
Ghost Falcon appeared and began to remove his clothes so -
BackAlleyBrawler = 13
pohsyb = 19
War Witch = 218
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BackAlleyBrawler = 14
pohsyb = 16
War Witch = 220
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BackAlleyBrawler = 19
pohsyb = 18
War Witch = 212
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Does this mean it's officially a FF thread?
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Quote:I suggest FF/NRG ... It's the coolest toon I've ever made. Aim carefully and blast away, it's like playing pool.Originally Posted by Mechafang
So Forcefield....
How bad is it? Am I likely to die of boredom by level 5?
The reason Im asking is I want to play as the Starship Uber Biscuit and do the whole shields up, pew pew pew thing.
I was thinking of Sonic/ too but then I wouldn't have access to PFF
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BackAlleyBrawler = 27
pohsyb = 26
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*Sits on the grid and farts*
I summon the stink monster of butt crack! Bringing him into play causes all mosters on the field to retch for one turn. -
BackAlleyBrawler = 28
pohsyb = 27
War Witch = 195
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