Fista
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Quote:You keep saying this. Are you suggesting that on an individual basis people should have VIP services unlocked for them and them alone? If so what criteria would the devs use?Originally Posted by Mazey
No, you shouldn't, you should do it on a case by case basis. -
Apparently two weeks was optimistic. The damn thing keeps getting bigger and bigger. How can anything be similtanously so much fun and so hard?
Also can't find your story Escher. -
redacted for factual errors and unnecessary snark.
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Wish we had a time line for all of that stuff. Like when did Faultline happen?
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Anything documented any were that says how long after the 1st Rikti invasion that the Devouring Earth moved in to Woodvale (Eden)? Also how long after the invasion did the Hollowing take place?
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Maybe my age is showing but I didn't get either of those comics. Or is that the point?
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Quote:I stand corrected.Originally Posted by VoodooCompany
And if you ever call a controller a support character again........
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Quote:There was no clarification needed. You don't like what is being offered for free; i.e. a perfectly good game that runs lvl 1 to 50 like it does for every one else. It has plenty of missions to run. It's got a broad scope and a depth that only 8 years brings to a game. Oh... IT'S FOR FREE. No really. Free. It's an entire game that when it was release cost $50.00. Now? FREE. It's been stated by the devs the game still centers around the SO. Guess what? You get access to them for FREE.Originally Posted by TwilightPhoenix
@Fista: While I was admittedly whiney at first, I don't see how trying to clarify my position was "continued whining and complaining" and basically being told that I was just a spoiled brat who wanted the whole game for free was "being politely explained to that this game is Freemium". Heck, someone in another topic linked to this one and said something akin to "And here's the latest example of a free player nerd raging that they can't have everything free."
Honestly, there's a lot of big names on these forums who I thought were pretty darn cool back in the day, but a lot of them seemed to have been turned into serious jerks after this game went free.
Edit: Not saying everyone was being a jerk, but some clearly were. [/edit]
@In general: So yeah, while I don't have a way to pitch this to any rednames (support ticket will likely get an automated response to the effect of "We received your feedback, but aren't going to read it and will tell you to use the forums instead"), but what about doing something like the old Reactivation Weekends to give either everyone or premium and VIP players free VIP access for a weekend? There's plenty of precedent for them and it'd be a good way to show "Hey, here's all this cool stuff! Have fun with it for a weekend and if you like it all you have to do is sub!" Non-subs would get to try stuff they may not have gotten to try before to see if they want to do it, VIPs would have more people to run their VIP-only content with for a weekend. Toss in 2XP too on top of it and you'd have a classic winner.
Heck, if they want to get really clever, they can take a page from Aion's book before it went F2P and give away freebies to VIPs over the weekend and a day or two after and make the latter freebies the really nice ones. So, everyone would get the weekend freebies, but they'd only get the nice ones after the event if they were subbed. Trust me on that, it works. You wouldn't believe how many people resubbed to Aion just to get an exclusive pet.
Oh, and yeah, it'll also address complaints, such as my own, about not being able to try out the game in it's full glory before deciding to resub or not. Yeah, it's not 24/7 free access, but that's not we, or at least I, want. Yeah, I'd have to wait for the Reactivation Weekend, but I was doing that just about every time I was unsubbed for a good while back then, so that wouldn't be anything new, and I'm sure I wasn't the only one waiting like that.
Reactivation + 2XP were awesome in the past with the worst complaints I saw being some people unable to make them. I can't see why they wouldn't be awesome still.
You know what. That used to cost $50.00 for both games and $15.00 a month to be able to play at all. Guess how much that game costs now. Go on. Guess. That's right IT'S FREE.
The game you quit two years ago is free. Man you are lucky. You want something special? Say IO's... Holy crap. $2.00 a month until you catch up on vet rewards and then you know what? IT's FREE.
What can you do. Well you can do a few things. Pay $2.00 a month to get the IO'S you think you desperately need. Pay $15.00 to get the whole magilla. Play for fee and enjoy the game.
The community is pretty helpful. Pleanty of people will team with you. Help you with any problems you might have. Trouble with an AV? I've never had problems getting any one to help. Stumped where to find a badge or mission enterance? The community is there for you. Like role playing? There is a whole server that's mostly about just that. It's GLT friendly. In short it's pretty awesome.
Heck I'll tell you what. I'll create a second account that is F2P on Victory and we'll go through it together. You and me. Heck every one come along. I do insist on Vic as I don't particularly care for the other servers. I'm weird that way. You want in? You wanna do this? Send me a pm. Well get 'er done.
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When they tweak the PC powers do they also tweak the NPC factions? I seem to be getting more powerful with each passing issue. I have not noticed that for the mobs. Not saying it's not happening, just not noticing.
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Quote:So we should do what ever they want to retain them? People are gonna leave the game mad all the time for reasons that are their's and their's alone. I have found most of the "I'm Quitting" threads to be pretty petulant. This one included.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I agree with this statement. It's easy to adopt the "I'm fine, so if you don't like it, just go away" mentality, but that's very, very damaging to the game. The simple fact is that no-one benefits from a player leaving a game angry. The angry player obviously doesn't, but neither do we the persistent players because that's one less person to support the game.
Please provide statistics that show this was the case. I'm aware the dev team was down to about 15 people but I'm unaware of anything that showed the game was in danger of being shut down.Quote:Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
]I lived through the horror days of the Surviving 15, where subscriptions were critical, the development team was down to a skeleton crew and every player mattered. I don't know how many of us are left from back then and how many of us still remember those days, but back then, we kind of sort of had to learn to treasure every player that paid money for this game or, hell, even had a good thing to say about it to his friends.
Please direct me to a F2P game that doesn't have micro trans actions that allows extra content, extra classes, extra abilities, extra cosmetic items. Remember it has to be on a scale equal to CoH with the same scope, depth and breadth.Quote:Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Maybe I'm still biassed so many years later, but I don't consider telling a player to just leave or that he's worthless to the company and the community, or even just making that player feel bad because he or she isn't doing "enough" to be a good or even a smart thing. I know City of Heroes isn't a true F2P model game.
No we don't but it was explained to the OP several times very nicely that what he wanted he wasn't getting. He continued whine for the rest of the thread. Why he continued to post I don't know. He stated he was leaving in his 1st post. Make your speech and leave if your leaving. If you post after words I have to believe you weren't serious in the first place or are a drama queen.Quote:Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
That's what the developers went with, that's what we have. But to tell people that "if you don't want to pay, you're not worth the bandwidth it costs to support you" is not cool just the same. This is our community, people. Do we really want to make it seem hostile, greedy and unwelcoming?
Absolutely untrue. The bulk of the game is not locked away and as was pointed out ad nauseam the parts he wanted could be had for much less than what he was paying before he quit.Quote:Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
OK, it's a business. The publishers have to make money. Players are expected to pay for what they want to have. That's fine, we can work with it, but a player coming back to play purportedly for free and finding the bulk of the game locked away
Yes. Yes you can. People are doing it right now. You just can't have things that were added later. No EAT, no IO, no Incarnate content. The game runs from lvl 1 to lvl 50 for every one who plays whether they pay, used to pay, or never paid.Quote:Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
"Play for free! FOREVER!" like the promo video says. Yes, that's not possible for business reasons
He was only told that when he became a prat about it. People very kindly explained how he was wrong and how he could get what he wanted.Quote:Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
When Freedom was still being discussed, one of my biggest fears of it was exactly this attitude - that it would create a "class divide" where some people would end up being told that they're not paying enough and so they're worthless and the game should never cater to them. It's not the reality of the situation so much as this attitude that I think is outright terminal for the game. Even at its peak of popularity, City of Heroes was a niche game with a limited audience. The LAST thing we want is to chase away legitimate players. Even if what they want for free will never be free, there are better ways to get that across than "If you're not paying, you're not worth the company's time."
Think of it like this: you've just won a free car. It don't come with spinners, mag wheels, a blaupunkt or seat warmers. He's complaining about the stuff it doesn't come with. He was told that if he wanted the accessories that he'd have to pay for them. His response was "I don't wanna! I want the free car I think I should have!"
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Quote:Dang. My memory must be going. I through Burt Reynolds was Rhet in that skit.Originally Posted by Moderator 09
Greetings everyone,
We would like to kindly remind you all to not resurrect dead threads, however we encourage you to start new threads for such...
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Well, if I were allowed to comment on that, it would be something like this.
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That was underwhelming.
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Quote:OOOOOOOOOOO! Can I have your stuff?Originally Posted by TClauss
So, your trying to call me a child? I still do not follow you.
I'm sorry you guys yes I will point the finger now at the community. Whats the problem with it? Some would consider waving a carrot in front of a starving animal, animal cruelty. Well paragon I can be cruel too! There is still plenty of content to get people to spend their hard earned money (when they are earning it).
I remember why I never started to publicly discuss on forums, and other media. So I am gone...not that any of you give a flying fkkkkk.
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Quote:So the devs should manage expectations better? I'll buy that. However keep in mind that the forum is a very small percentage of the people who play the game. Just because it SEEMS like a lot of people are dissatisfied with what they think they're getting and what they do get doesn't mean it's in actuality happening. The forum skews perception.Originally Posted by Chyll
This.
I assume NCSoft wants ppl to return. The number of posts similar to the OP's seems to indicate that something needs to be done to welcome them back better. This may be as simple as some sort of way to notify them explicitly and helpfully about the vet/reward tokens to unlock features. But something to avoid a "wha? huh? that sucks! *walks away*" reaction that appears to be quite possible, and is not really the fault of the player. -
Water Blast? Meh.
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Servers are down and it's a Tuesday. Are we getting goodies today? I can't find anything about it. Ideas?
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Thanks. I'll look in to that. Part of the problem I've decided is that I don't have enough time with this guy and don't have a feel for the AT and the powers. So I'm going to try to log some time with him and see where I'm at then.
Never played a support toon and it's verrrrrry different from what I'm used to. -
Damn. Little more complex than I figured. I think perhaps I should get to know the powers/toon better before I think about how to slot.
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Bush hats like the Aussies ware. You know with the one side folded up against the brim. Actually other people use them too but for me this is the most well known.
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I have a Troller I got up to 45, no idea how, cause I don't really enjoy him. I hate to delete him as he's almost a 50 and I like his back ground. Anyway what are the basics for slotting this? I have zero experience with controllers and am not sure what to do with this guy.
I'm not looking to purple him out so lets stick to basics. -
I have a Troller I got up to 45, no idea how, cause I don't really enjoy him. I hate to delete him as he's almost a 50 and I like his back ground. Anyway what are the basics for slotting this? I have zero experience with controllers and am not sure what to do with this guy.
I'm not looking to purple him out so lets stick to basics. -
Yay! 1st run netted me Loves a Challenge and last run got me Green Stuff for Master OF! Thank you so much for running this. I would have had a good time either way but this was icing on the cake.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Venture
We don't have a shortage of plot elements. The best thing to do with Praetoria is to let it die off and return the storyline to the main continuity.
As much as I like Gold side I have to agree. If it had been a true expansion to the game and not a hyper story arc then by all means continue to develop it. Unfortunately it's not. The primal side has a deep background that is very rarely explored. I'd like to see more of it. Heck I thought O-Zone was going to offer missions from the games past not arcs I missed.
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Quote:You mean no evidence besides their own freely admitted involvement in the whole thing?Originally Posted by Zemblanity
Assuming I was on the jury stand? On the grounds that I can't link a single piece of evidence directly to him, which fails to meet the requirement of guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
I think you'll find more then enough witnesses and documentation to send each one to the gallows many times over.
Every time you turn around they tell you where they buried the bodies. The psych hospital and Cole's tower have documents on everything. These people were meticulous record keepers. They will all swing.
On top of that they all think, with maybe the exception of Cole, they were all doing the right thing. They are also all insane. Put them on the stand and I'm sure they will be more than happy to tell you what they did to "protect" Praetoria. -
I have to assume that Venture is the only one taking the conversation seriously. I cant honestly believe that there are people who believe beings that are directly responsible for the murder, kidnapping and torture of hundreds to thousands of people or at the very least have supported the same are redeemable.
The fact that Magneto has tried to kill the X-Men on numerous occasions not to mention all the innocents hes either killed or put in danger and is now redeemed is poor writing. You can add Angel and Spike to that list too.